C Quinton Byfield - Sudbury Wolves, OHL (2020 Draft) II
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You're right, I forgot. In this case, I could see the Euro guys sneaking up the board instead.
Not a “rumour”. You can hear him say it on an interview he did on TSN 1050 overdrive on Tuesday.
Scottkmlps
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Bob was stating his opinion, that's all, "LA might be a team that in my mind that might have more interest in a guy like Stutzle than Byfield.” Nobody knows who LA is going to pick but LA.
It's a rumor, unless you hear it straight from LA's General Manager.
If Bob McKenzie says it, I take it as more than a rumour. He’s not going to ruin the relationships he has in the business by revealing LA’s pick, instead stating what he’s heard more as an opinion than the fact it really is.
Obviously McKenzie would have sources close to Mark Yanetti or Rob Blake. If Bob McKenzie says it, I take it as more than a rumour. He’s not going to ruin the relationships he has in the business by revealing LA’s pick, instead stating what he’s heard more as an opinion than the fact it really is.
If Bob McKenzie says it, I take it as more than a rumour. He’s not going to ruin the relationships he has in the business by revealing LA’s pick, instead stating what he’s heard more as an opinion than the fact it really is.
The Lukeman
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Bob made it very clear that it was solely based on his opinion and was anecdotal. He wouldn’t say that it if came from an LA source. It was his opinion based on how he think the team typically drafts. It’s clear LA has not made up their mind yet since Blake stated they began looking at the 2nd pick last week. That’s what Rob Blake told Lisa Dillman from the Athletic.
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I’m not sure you’re getting me at all. The comparison of the two players is not to compare who is the better player. It’s to compare development timelines.
And the point of my posts is to give an example of how someone’s poor performance at best-of tournaments during their D year perhaps has some correspondence of how ready the star player prospect is to dominate in the NHL. I’m making this point to counter the person I originally quoted who cited MacK as an example of a prospect who didn’t have a sterling D year tournament record but turned into a top 5 player in the world. My point is, his example seems to prove the opposite...he took 5 years to develop. (Is that proof that WJC is super-meaningful? Not really...I’m just pointing out the example given to prove the point doesn’t prove the point at all, seemingly. ) I use Barkov as an example of someone from the same class but developed in two years less time, as a yardstick example to show MacK developed much more slowly.
I’m not arguing draft position at all.
Samsquanch
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I feel bad for Detroit but my god thats some wishful thinking my dude.
Hate to break it to you but if by chance he slides to Ottawa at #3 there is literally no way that he isnt picked by them. Hes already been linked to them a few times now, and Dorion had a twinkle in his eye when he was gushing about him during an interview. Hes said there is a clear top 3, and we know who those 3 are, all of us do.
And holy shit if it was Sanderson that they took at #3 instead, there would be riots. It would take years to be proven right, long after the fanbase would have likely run Dorion and his crew out of town.
Raccoon Jesus
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I respect and listen to Bobby Mac but he couldn't possibly fit more hedging qualifiers in that statement to distance himself if he tried.
I highly doubt that would happen because if Ottawa really has Sanderson at 3, then they likely still have a shot at him at 5. I really don't think Detroit would go for him at 4 with the other options on the table.
Besides, it would be incredibly odd to see that unfold considering the Sens already have Chabot on their first pairing LD. I agree that Sanderson is a great player but I think the consensus from the fanbase is that we would much rather have two forwards. If we draft a Dmen then I certainly hope we draft the Dman with the 5th pick and not the 3rd. We need help up front way more than we do on the back end.
With Dorion's comments that there is Lafreniere and then "two other players in the next tier", I think we can assume that these two players are Stutzle and Byfield and Sens take whoever is left after LA makes their selection.
Sanderson getting selected 3rd by the Sens would be pretty much impossible IMO, it just doesn't really line-up and wouldn't be a smart decision with our glaring need for skill up front.
bert
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Lisa Dillman over Bob Mackenzie ok got it.
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Doubt Ottawa passes on Byfield if he's there with their 3rd overall pick. They are a team with dire need of quality at centre and Byfield would give them another, safer option if Logan Brown doesn't pan out as hoped. Even if they prefer Sanderson as a prospect, it would be terrible draft management to pick Sanderson with the 3rd and hope someone else they like is there at 5th.
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teravaineSAROS
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He's for sure not already a 3rd liner. This is just a thing we see every draft people think prospects will be world beaters by day 1 then they get disappointed cos they're still raw.
I don't think Byfield will be a star as a fresh 18yr old out of the gates, but if he does go to LA, and they do keep him 9 games, he could very much take the route of Kirby Dach (developmentally), where he begins with limited minutes and works his way through the lineup.
I think because of the delay, the added, what will be 9 months off of actual league hockey for him (not counting training/scrimmages etc), the best course of development in my mind would be for him to go back to juniors and spend his 18yr old season building, developing, and ideally, continuing to train with Gary Roberts.
That way, if the NHL starts on time for the 2021-2022 season, he would have just turned 19 a month and a half prior, have more experience, strength, and readiness to make the team out of camp.
I could see Byfield jumping in at 19 but not at 18. And with him you might be better off taking the long approach with some AHL time at age 20.
I see him as an incredible rush scorer, but he can still improve a lot on the powerplay and on the cycle. He needs to learn to use his body better, to add the power forward repertoire. All of those things would best be learned at lower levels of competition. With Byfield teams should try and develop him into a 100+ pt MVP caliber player over the long run, and forget about what he can do as a teenager.
I think this is completely realistic as a draft list for individual teams and scouts. I think Sanderson is undersold here. He had a fantastic second-half at both ends of the ice and he strikes me as both a high-floor and a high-ceiling player (#1-#3 D-man).
It's maybe less realistic to expect Ottawa to take Sanderson third, but it's plausible. If Dorion has to have Sanderson, and thinks there are several forwards at an equal level, then why risk Yzerman taking Sanderson at #4? Just take him first and take one of the equivalent forwards at #5.
It's really not a three player draft for a lot of scouts. It might go in that order but there are five or six players that you can make a good argument should go ahead of either Stutzle or Byfield, not that I would.
I see him as an incredible rush scorer, but he can still improve a lot on the powerplay and on the cycle. He needs to learn to use his body better, to add the power forward repertoire. All of those things would best be learned at lower levels of competition. With Byfield teams should try and develop him into a 100+ pt MVP caliber player over the long run, and forget about what he can do as a teenager.
I think this is completely realistic as a draft list for individual teams and scouts. I think Sanderson is undersold here. He had a fantastic second-half at both ends of the ice and he strikes me as both a high-floor and a high-ceiling player (#1-#3 D-man).
It's maybe less realistic to expect Ottawa to take Sanderson third, but it's plausible. If Dorion has to have Sanderson, and thinks there are several forwards at an equal level, then why risk Yzerman taking Sanderson at #4? Just take him first and take one of the equivalent forwards at #5.
It's really not a three player draft for a lot of scouts. It might go in that order but there are five or six players that you can make a good argument should go ahead of either Stutzle or Byfield, not that I would.
teravaineSAROS
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The possibility is there for sure, IMO he'd have to be sheltered on the 3rd line and LA doesn't have the players to cover up for his rookie mistakes.
For his own sake I hope he stays away from the NHL for another season. Half a year ago it looked like the WJCs was a bit too much for him so forcing him into the NHL for too long could be overwhelming.
He'll be great once he figures it out though.
Raccoon Jesus
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So sick of this dismissive BS
Bob Mackenzie literally said it was his own opinion three times in that statement
Lisa Dillman literally got her information first hand from Rob Blake
Why is this so difficult?
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He's still raw in some aspects of his game and is young for his class. I think going to the NHL would be a big mistake for him next year. He could really use that extra year of seasoning in juniors and really try to continue to develop his high potential.
Man some people are so naive here. Yea sureeeee, the LA just started looking at who they’d take second this week.
After knowing they’d have a top 5 pick all year, after being able to do nothing other than scout for the draft during a global pandemic, after thinking the draft might be held in June and given a 1 month notice. Yes, the LA kings just started looking at who they’d draft with the second pick this week. Sure they may be fine tuning things and crossings their T’s and dotting their I’s but at this point they pretty much know dam well who they want at 2 in the draft.
Same with the McKenzie thing. Buddy literally puts together consensus lists for the draft rankings and some people think his opinion is as if I were saying I (some nobody) think LA has more interest in Stutzle than Byfield.
After knowing they’d have a top 5 pick all year, after being able to do nothing other than scout for the draft during a global pandemic, after thinking the draft might be held in June and given a 1 month notice. Yes, the LA kings just started looking at who they’d draft with the second pick this week. Sure they may be fine tuning things and crossings their T’s and dotting their I’s but at this point they pretty much know dam well who they want at 2 in the draft.
Same with the McKenzie thing. Buddy literally puts together consensus lists for the draft rankings and some people think his opinion is as if I were saying I (some nobody) think LA has more interest in Stutzle than Byfield.
Gil Gunderson
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I take most of these "rumours" with a grain of salt, but c'mon now lol.
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