C Quinton Byfield - Sudbury Wolves, OHL (2020 Draft) II

[bsu]

I'd take stutzle

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I'd take stutzle

The most overrated player in this draft.

 

[bsu]

Worst case scenario : becomes the next Joe Thornton (with miles better skating ability)
Best case scenario : becomes the next Mario Lemieux (not in the same matter, obviously but, somewhere pretty close)

He has no where near playmaking as big Joe, they don't play anywhere alike.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Worst case scenario : becomes the next Joe Thornton (with miles better skating ability)
Best case scenario : becomes the next Mario Lemieux (not in the same matter, obviously but, somewhere pretty close)

So the absolute WORST this kid can do, if he suddenly stops developing or has injury issues and whatnot, is that he becomes one of the greatest playmakers the game has ever seen with elite skating on top of it? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Quinton was pace for almost 50 (49) goals and 76 assists, 126 points, in a full 68 game regular season, for Sudbury Wolves,
as a player who was 17 year old in his entire draft season. (the only player in the OHL)

Quinton is one of the youngest in this draft. He is still 17 years old by the way....

From u18 year olds in the OHL:
1st in ppg
1st in gpg
2nd in +/-
5th in goals
15th in pim
117th in games played

 

[Artorius Horus T]

He won 52.4% of his face-offs, 304 face-off wins.

 

[Peasy]

I'm still weary about how high scoring was in the OHL this season. I looked into goals per game a few months ago so don't remember the numbers off the top of my head, but goals per game this year was around 7.7. To compare, in 2015 I think it was only slightly higher than 7.

 

[jc17]

I'm still weary about how high scoring was in the OHL this season. I looked into goals per game a few months ago so don't remember the numbers off the top of my head, but goals per game this year was around 7.7. To compare, in 2015 I think it was only slightly higher than 7.

His scoring is still good when adjusted for that, but not as close to the top as the raw numbers.

I'll post the list later if I have time

 

[Goose of Reason]

Envious Ducks fan is jealous his team doesn't get to draft Byfield.

I was yelling at my TV when Vilardi fell to you guys and now this

 

[bsu]

Almost all of his goals are from skating really fast in transition and scoring. Don't see that happening in the NHL he isn't anywhere close to McDavid and Mackinnon the only 2 that get goals like that on a regular basis. Once the teams are set up in the offensive zone I don't think he is as effective.

 

[Dominance]

Almost all of his goals are from skating really fast in transition and scoring. Don't see that happening in the NHL he isn't anywhere close to McDavid and Mackinnon the only 2 that get goals like that on a regular basis. Once the teams are set up in the offensive zone I don't think he is as effective.

It’s just so painfully obvious that you watched a highlight reel on YouTube and now feel qualified to pass judgement on the player. There’s really no need to keep demonstrating that you’ve never seen him play like this - it’s clear as day to everyone who has.

Don’t worry, with him in LA you’ll get tons of chances to see just how effective he is in the offensive zone.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Almost all of his goals are from skating really fast in transition and scoring. Don't see that happening in the NHL he isn't anywhere close to McDavid and Mackinnon the only 2 that get goals like that on a regular basis. Once the teams are set up in the offensive zone I don't think he is as effective.

This is my exact concern with Byfield

 

[SFKingshomer]

High End- Eric Staal

Low End- Jordan Staal

 

[Nabrules]

Where was this said? “ LA might be a team that in my mind that might have more interest in a guy like Stutzle than Byfield.”

During an interview on TSN 1050 overdrive on Tuesday!

 

[bsu]

It’s just so painfully obvious that you watched a highlight reel on YouTube and now feel qualified to pass judgement on the player. There’s really no need to keep demonstrating that you’ve never seen him play like this - it’s clear as day to everyone who has.

Don’t worry, with him in LA you’ll get tons of chances to see just how effective he is in the offensive zone.

Well that's not true, any of it. But okay. I hope LA takes Byfield over Stutzle. He's big that's all I hear but doesn't play very big, he plays smaller than 5'8 Marco Rossi. His length obviously helps and me saying he's overrated doesn't mean I don't think he will be a good player it means I think people are overratting him because he's big and fast. Even if you did watch a highlight reel with all his goals a majority of them are in transition or odd man rush and in the NHL that doesn't happen unless your name is McDavid or MacKinnon. I have fears about his 5 on 5 play with defenses set up because I don't think his hockey IQ is elite. He is still worthy of a top 3 pick but I don't see the Malkin comparisons that some people are making after scouting this player more.

There is a ton of shift by shift videos on prospects on youtube plus if you a resource that some of us have you can watch all the games for free.



A lot of his goals remind me of this and of course I am not comparing them as prospects Byfield (#2 or #3 prospect) vs Etem (#10-#13 ranked at the time) is wayyyyy better of a prospect but the way he uses his speed/skill/size in transition in juniors is very similar. I want you to watch both of their goals scored and tell me they aren't similar. Byfield has a lot more going than Etem did obviously but they both use their speed/size to dominate juniors and once the play slows down I think they both aren't as effective.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Well that's not true, any of it. But okay. I hope LA takes Byfield over Stutzle. He's big that's all I hear but doesn't play very big, he plays smaller than 5'8 Marco Rossi. His length obviously helps and me saying he's overrated doesn't mean I don't think he will be a good player it means I think people are overratting him because he's big and fast. Even if you did watch a highlight reel with all his goals a majority of them are in transition or odd man rush and in the NHL that doesn't happen unless your name is McDavid or MacKinnon. I have fears about his 5 on 5 play with defenses set up because I don't think his hockey IQ is elite. He is still worthy of a top 3 pick but I don't see the Malkin comparisons that some people are making after scouting this player more.

There is a ton of shift by shift videos on prospects on youtube plus if you a resource that some of us have you can watch all the games for free.



A lot of his goals remind me of this and of course I am not comparing them as prospects Byfield (#2 or #3 prospect) vs Etem (#10-#13 ranked at the time) is wayyyyy better of a prospect but the way he uses his speed/skill/size in transition in juniors is very similar. I want you to watch both of their goals scored and tell me they aren't similar. Byfield has a lot more going than Etem did obviously but they both use their speed/size to dominate juniors and once the play slows down I think they both aren't as effective.

First of all - Etem is 6'1 so theres no comparison size and physicality wise. He was also a winger.

Second, Etem was a burner mainly as you just showed - but other than speed what in the video even slightly resembled Byfield's game?

Third, you literally used a YT highlight video in response to people claiming you just watch YT videos......

 

[Nabrules]

It’s typical, one guy says Byfield is great and the team who’s drafts him should be happy, then some guy comes here on a bad rant about how he’s overrated. As a Canucks fan I’ll be estatic when LA passes on Byfield since he won’t be in our division

 

[bsu]

First of all - Etem is 6'1 so theres no comparison size and physicality wise. He was also a winger.

Second, Etem was a burner mainly as you just showed - but other than speed what in the video even slightly resembled Byfield's game?

Third, you literally used a YT highlight video in response to people claiming you just watch YT videos......

It's not a highlight video, it shows literally every time Byfield was on the ice and there is plenty more of those. Is every second he is on the ice not a good video to scout a player? I hope you're trolling with that reply and I wasn't comparing the players I was comparing the goals they score in juniors.

He is worthy of #2 or #3 pick all I am saying is he is closer to a Eric Staal type impact player (great player) than Malkin type impact player (all time great type player) if everything works out perfectly.

 

[bsu]

First of all - Etem is 6'1 so theres no comparison size and physicality wise. He was also a winger.

Second, Etem was a burner mainly as you just showed - but other than speed what in the video even slightly resembled Byfield's game?

Third, you literally used a YT highlight video in response to people claiming you just watch YT videos......

Is a video that shows every single second a player is on the ice for an entire game not a good way to scout a player?

 

[Dominance]

There’s a total of two shift-by-shift videos of Byfield available on YouTube. One of those games was a 10-3 beating by Mississauga where the Wolves were in a big hole early and the Steelheads dominated play all game, which happens occasionally.

The other was a victory over the Greyhounds where Byfield looked absolutely fantastic in the second night of a back-to-back. Showed off his explosive wheels and hands to rack up a hat trick, but also is a great example of how effective he is with his vision and puck protection with in-zone possession. Could have had a handful of assists.

Either way, very strange stuff to draw the conclusion that he isn’t much of an offensive threat if he isn’t producing off the transition.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Is a video that shows every single second a player is on the ice for an entire game not a good way to scout a player?

"an entire game" might be where the fallacies of your logic are

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's not a highlight video, it shows literally every time Byfield was on the ice and there is plenty more of those. Is every second he is on the ice not a good video to scout a player? I hope you're trolling with that reply and I wasn't comparing the players I was comparing the goals they score in juniors.

He is worthy of #2 or #3 pick all I am saying is he is closer to a Eric Staal type impact player (great player) than Malkin type impact player (all time great type player) if everything works out perfectly.

Like I said on our forum--Eric Staal has a 100 point season and the most points of anyone in the legendary 2003 draft class. Okay, we'll take it. Works for me. If you could guarantee that pick you'd make it even at #1.

 

[93LEAFS]

I don't see a lack of IQ. More of a lack of willingness to engage at times, which seems consistent with him being very young for his draft age, and also being a huge kid who isn't even close to growing into his body. Sort of a Casey Mittelstadt, if he were 5" taller, 30 lbs heavier, much stronger, and faster.
Having said all that, the guy matched Perfetti(Mr. Hockey IQ) for PPG this year, didn't he? I mean, what is he going to be like once he grows into his body, and starts developing man muscle?
I do see him make clever plays that show nice vision, and sweet hands.

I don't know who I'd compare him to. Getzlaf doesn't seem right. Schiefele, maybe? I can't remember what Malkin was like pre draft.

Perfetti did better points-per-game wise once you account for the fact Byfield (and was closer Rossi) got to beat up on the terrible OHL teams this year more often (Niagara, North Bay and Kingston). Pretty much every player in the Eastern conference of the OHL benefitted by the competition they played. While the west is usually stronger, this year is was more abundant than ever.

 

[Polar Bear]

I'd take him second overall, and over anyone in the upcoming 2021 draft if things stay as they are. LA/OTT are getting a really great prospect.

 

[Peasy]

Perfetti did better points-per-game wise once you account for the fact Byfield (and was closer Rossi) got to beat up on the terrible OHL teams this year more often (Niagara, North Bay and Kingston). Pretty much every player in the Eastern conference of the OHL benefitted by the competition they played. While the west is usually stronger, this year is was more abundant than ever.

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Rossi definitely benefited the most playing against weaker teams. Would have been nice if Byfield got more games in against top teams to see if he could keep up the production.