C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[ORRFForever]

It’s real quiet since Byfield has been playing well, where did everyone go?

Most posters are rooting for him. I know I am. It he turns into the next Tage Thompson, I'll be thrilled.

 

[unicornpig]

I think that we should be careful about what we attribute to Byfield. He was moved up to the top line not long after Copley came into the net, and the team has been a lot better with a competent goalie. Also, while Kopitar and Kempe have each had a 4-goal game since his promotion to their line, he assisted on only 1 of each. He's doing a good job supporting the play--getting in on the forecheck, digging out pucks, keeping pucks alive and so on--but that isn't exactly skilled work. He does make skillful plays, but not as often as I'd wish. Yes, his P/60 at 5v5 is a solid 1.78, but Lizotte's is 2.16, so he's producing less at even strength than a 3rd liner. Yes, he'd have more points if he got more powerplay time, but he has the worst PPP/60 on the team, so he doesn't deserve it and it would've worked out to only 3-5 more points so far. I'm not trying to knock him, though, because he's doing pretty well for a 20 year old and is going to be a solid NHLer.

Like clockwork

 

[DinosaurBones]

another swing and a miss.

Have fun!

I had to go back a couple pages to make sure I wasnt missing something. You do understand when other people say (which is very true) that Stuetzle is the better hockey player, atleast for the moment, and he doesnt seem to be slowing down.
That they arent saying Byfield is bad... The "evidence" IS there. There is no swing or miss. But that doesnt diminish Byfields potential. You need to get over your bias when it comes to that.

But people also do need to think about Byfields route being alittle longer than initially thought, which I thought was a bit drastic in the first place. He will be in a solid 60 point BIG forward. Top out maybe at 75. But the other aspects of his game will also be more valuable than just stats.

Do I think Stuetzle is better/will continue to be better? Yes. Because anyone without bias and watches hockey does. Byfield is going to be a hell of a hockey player though, and the shots fired at him because it didnt happen right away are quite ridiculous.

 

[Random Comment]

I had to go back a couple pages to make sure I wasnt missing something. You do understand when other people say (which is very true) that Stuetzle is the better hockey player, atleast for the moment, and he doesnt seem to be slowing down.
That they arent saying Byfield is bad... The "evidence" IS there. There is no swing or miss. But that doesnt diminish Byfields potential. You need to get over your bias when it comes to that.

But people also do need to think about Byfields route being alittle longer than initially thought, which I thought was a bit drastic in the first place. He will be in a solid 60 point BIG forward. Top out maybe at 75. But the other aspects of his game will also be more valuable than just stats.

Do I think Stuetzle is better/will continue to be better? Yes. Because anyone without bias and watches hockey does. Byfield is going to be a hell of a hockey player though, and the shots fired at him because it didnt happen right away are quite ridiculous.

Why are people comparing Byfield to a future hall of famer. Let him develop at his own pace. He’s going to be fine and showing a lot of good things this season compared to last. When he stops progressing I’ll be concerned, but he hasn’t.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I had to go back a couple pages to make sure I wasnt missing something. You do understand when other people say (which is very true) that Stuetzle is the better hockey player, atleast for the moment, and he doesnt seem to be slowing down.
That they arent saying Byfield is bad... The "evidence" IS there. There is no swing or miss. But that doesnt diminish Byfields potential. You need to get over your bias when it comes to that.

But people also do need to think about Byfields route being alittle longer than initially thought, which I thought was a bit drastic in the first place. He will be in a solid 60 point BIG forward. Top out maybe at 75. But the other aspects of his game will also be more valuable than just stats.

Do I think Stuetzle is better/will continue to be better? Yes. Because anyone without bias and watches hockey does. Byfield is going to be a hell of a hockey player though, and the shots fired at him because it didnt happen right away are quite ridiculous.

I understand that and in fact, if you actually read back the few pages, you'd realize you agree with me and I said damn near the exact same words, so please spare me the lecture on 'bias,' my point was only that while we understand how TS and Byfield are linked, that their development pathways are independent and one doing one thing shouldn't mean the other has to do it the exact same way and time. Yet people keep bombing this thread to talk about how Byfield sucks because TS is spectacular rather than independently of. It's not productive and that's why I bowed out of the conversation so no need to rehash it.

 

[DinosaurBones]

I understand that and in fact, if you actually read back the few pages, you'd realize you agree with me and I said damn near the exact same words, so please spare me the lecture on 'bias,' my point was only that while we understand how TS and Byfield are linked, that their development pathways are independent and one doing one thing shouldn't mean the other has to do it the exact same way and time. Yet people keep bombing this thread to talk about how Byfield sucks because TS is spectacular rather than independently of. It's not productive and that's why I bowed out of the conversation so no need to rehash it.

Well ill definitely admit that I did not go far enough back to see you say similar things to me, which is obviously why I said what I said. But yes, it is outrageous that people cant admit when although one has been better so far, the other will get there. Which I think he will. glad to know you agree

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Well ill definitely admit that I did not go far enough back to see you say similar things to me, which is obviously why I said what I said. But yes, it is outrageous that people cant admit when although one has been better so far, the other will get there. Which I think he will. glad to know you agree

Absolutely, it's taking time, but ti's slow and steady and fun to watch in real time now that he's actually getting some ice time.

It just gets old having people come in and tell us repeatedly that we shouldn't enjoy him because someone else is currently better.

 

[DinosaurBones]

Absolutely, it's taking time, but ti's slow and steady and fun to watch in real time now that he's actually getting some ice time.

It just gets old having people come in and tell us repeatedly that we shouldn't enjoy him because someone else is currently better.

I though it was known by most he wasnt the type of player to come in right away and be an allstar. But clearly not.
Whether he becomes slightly better or slightly worse than people expected when he was drafted, hes gonna be a hell of a hockey player

 

[Mats26]

Nobody is saying that Stutzle isn't good enough to have been inserted into our top 6 right away and thrived. What us Kings fans are saying is that our management and coaches don't have a great track record with putting young talent in a position for them to succeed, hence the arguement that he might've been put on the bottom line or in the AHL

Stutzle would look great with Lizotte and Kaliyev on the fourth line. It's the Kings way to play them as grinders while having all world talent.

 

[Felidae]

Why are people comparing Byfield to a future hall of famer. Let him develop at his own pace. He’s going to be fine and showing a lot of good things this season compared to last. When he stops progressing I’ll be concerned, but he hasn’t.

Calling Stutzle a future HHOFer is more ridiculous than most of the biased comments for Byfield so far.

Talk about premature.

 

[Random Comment]

Calling Stutzle a future HHOFer is more ridiculous than most of the biased comments for Byfield so far.

Talk about premature.

Barring an injury he’s a lock. He’s already a PPG player at 20. I can’t wait to resurrect this thread in 18-20 years for the « I told you so ». Gonna be an embarrassing look for u

 

[ORRFForever]

The kid is flying out there and brimming with confidence.

Is this the same Byfield who looked so out of place last year?

 

[Random Comment]

The kid is flying out there and brimming with confidence.

Is this the same Byfield who looked so out of place last year?

Beautiful assist. Has that nice long reach with his stick to swoop passes in the slot.

 

[ORRFForever]

Beautiful assist. Has that nice long reach with his stick to swoop passes in the slot.

That long stick may be leaving them short handed with 2 to go.

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The kid's neck is like a tree trunk. LOL.

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

He looks good but don’t need a banner from the rafters every time he gets an assist

 

[ORRFForever]

That long stick may be leaving them short handed with 2 to go.

The kid dodged a bullet. Not sure how that wasn't 2.

He looks good but don’t need a banner from the rafters every time he gets an assist

???

 

[Nasti]

Barring an injury he’s a lock. He’s already a PPG player at 20. I can’t wait to resurrect this thread in 18-20 years for the « I told you so ». Gonna be an embarrassing look for u

Joe Juneau scored 102 points in his second season. Not saying Stutzle can‘t do it but as the other poster said, it’s premature.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The kid is flying out there and brimming with confidence.

Is this the same Byfield who looked so out of place last year?

Its' funny because I was just coming in to say every 10ish games, QB has one game where he looks like he has two different skate cuts or someone clear tape tricked him. He was not sharp tonight most of the night and was falling all over the place.

Yet...the playmaking and checking strengths shine thru, 4 game pt streak.

 

[ORRFForever]

Its' funny because I was just coming in to say every 10ish games, QB has one game where he looks like he has two different skate cuts or someone clear tape tricked him. He was not sharp tonight most of the night and was falling all over the place.

Yet...the playmaking and checking strengths shine thru, 4 game pt streak.

I only caught the 3rd period but I thought he looked terrific. Again, night and day from last year in the confidence department.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I only caught the 3rd period but I thought he looked terrific. Again, night and day, from last year, in the confidence department.

Yeah he was definitely much better towards the end of the game. I mean maybe microanalyzing really since we do nightly haha, but he had 4-5 really rough shifts in a row, just turning pucks over and falling. Before that he was a checking machine, after that he was a play driver. Part of the development, gotta ride the wave while the kid starts feeling it. But no one watching can argue against the space he creates for Kopitar and Kempe. The next step is to learn to do it also for himself, and to work on his release.

 

[ORRFForever]

Yeah he was definitely much better towards the end of the game. I mean maybe microanalyzing really since we do nightly haha, but he had 4-5 really rough shifts in a row, just turning pucks over and falling. Before that he was a checking machine, after that he was a play driver. Part of the development, gotta ride the wave while the kid starts feeling it. But no one watching can argue against the space he creates for Kopitar and Kempe. The next step is to learn to do it also for himself, and to work on his release.

As a Canadian, we need this kid, in 4 years, to be a monster. Seeing him, tonight, gives me confidence it will happen. With LAF putting up 2 against Boston, maybe the young guns are about to breakout and shine?

 

[TwzKing]

He def still needs to put on weight. He got shrugged off a couple of times

 

[GrizzGreen]

Joe Juneau scored 102 points in his second season. Not saying Stutzle can‘t do it but as the other poster said, it’s premature.

HHOF lock Joe Juneau

 

[brakeyawself]

Most posters are rooting for him. I know I am. It he turns into the next Tage Thompson, I'll be thrilled.

I still wish the Rangers drafted him instead of Lafreniere. Right now he'd be our 3rd line center on a line with his wings probably Chytil and Kakko and we wouldn't have to painfully watch Chytil try to play center on the completely mediocre "kid line"...... ugh. The dude can't win a faceoff to save his life Still jealous about that one. Think I'm going to get more jealous as Byfield surpasses Laf eventually.

Honestly think it would have worked out better for both teams. Laf would have been playing with Kopitar and Danaul his first few years, while Byfield would have been maturing on the Rangers 3rd line. But the Kings are probably pretty happy right now the Rangers didn't take QB instead.

Can't say if he'll be as good as Thompson turned out to be, but from what I've seen of QB's development, he's going to be a very good top 6 center at minimum, with the possibility of still becoming a legitimate highish end 1c.

 

[Random Comment]

HHOF lock Joe Juneau

Idk if people are comparing the two, they aren’t watching hockey. Stutzle is a lock barring injury.