C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[PostBradMalone]

I wish people would just believe LA fans on this rather than taking it as some sort of knock on Stutzle or attempt to narrow the current achievement gap.

Sorry, but it’s pure cope and anyone outside LA can see that. There is zero comparison to be made between the two and Stutzle is quite clearly the better talent by every conceivable metric.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Sorry, but it’s pure cope and anyone outside LA can see that. There is zero comparison to be made between the two and Stutzle is quite clearly the better talent by every conceivable metric.

That's got nothing to do with the post.

These are getting worse by the minute.

Re-read and try again, but like I said, since folks refuse to believe evidence, this part of the convo is pretty closed.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Re-read and try again, but like I said, since folks refuse to believe evidence, this part of the convo is pretty closed.

The “evidence” is that one of them can’t stick in an NHL lineup and the other is over PPG. Everything else is pure conjecture (re: cope).

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The “evidence” is that one of them can’t stick in an NHL lineup and the other is over PPG. Everything else is pure conjecture (re: cope).

another swing and a miss.

Have fun!

 

[Nasti]

Your original post was questioning whether Stutzle would even be in LA’s lineup. Nobody is questioning whether his development would be different. But given all the information we have - Stutzle would likely have been floating around the top two lines still, at close to ppg.

Now that Byfield seems to be getting those top two line winger spots, let’s see what he does with it? He’s been given the leash he needs, and now it’s time he forces LA to keep him there. I very well believe he can do that.

The Kings have Fiala, Vilardi, Kaliyev, etc playing bottom six minutes while Trevor Moore (with Iafallo currently filling in) is in the top six. The Kings don’t just look at stat sheets and decide what the lineup should be.

 

[Jericho111091]

Nobody is saying that Stutzle isn't good enough to have been inserted into our top 6 right away and thrived. What us Kings fans are saying is that our management and coaches don't have a great track record with putting young talent in a position for them to succeed, hence the arguement that he might've been put on the bottom line or in the AHL

 

[johnjm22]

If you watch the Kings, you know Byfield has been very impactful. The production isn't there yet, which is frustrating, but it's pretty obvious he's going to be an excellent NHL player.

He's a force out there.

The Kings also aren't really giving him much PP time which handicaps his production. All but 1 of his points this season are at even strength.

 

[Dominance]

If you watch the Kings, you know Byfield has been very impactful. The production isn't there yet, which is frustrating, but it's pretty obvious he's going to be an excellent NHL player.

He's a force out there.

The Kings also aren't really giving him much PP time which handicaps his production. All but 1 of his points this season are at even strength.

Primed to absolutely explode next season. Amazing spot for him and the Kings, as Byfield will probably simply ease more and more into the C role on that top line as Kopitar ages, probably taking it over for good in a couple seasons when he’ll still just be 22.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

No PP time might hindering his production but you can score with even strength too.

But yes, he is more than okay lately.

 

[Akrapovince]

I wonder if Byfield is going to have a slow and steady progression offensively, think 40 points, then 55, then 70, then ppg+ or if he’s going to be a 55 point player for a couple years and then just suddenly snap and become a ppg+ guy player.

Assuming he gets near his ceiling of course.

 

[johnjm22]

No PP time might hindering his production but you can score with even strength too.

But yes, he is more than okay lately.

He's already scoring 1.78 points per 60 min at even strength. That's pretty solid.

Primed to absolutely explode next season. Amazing spot for him and the Kings, as Byfield will probably simply ease more and more into the C role on that top line as Kopitar ages, probably taking it over for good in a couple seasons when he’ll still just be 22.

I think it depends on how LA wants to use him next year. If they want to start having him play center, he could end up on the 3rd line.

LA also has a log jam of forwards who deserve some PP time. So I'm not sure how much he'll get next season.

He also needs to work on his shot of wants to be a big time producer.

Regardless though, he already looks good, and there's GOBS of development runway still in front of him.

 

[bsu]

Advanced stats looking better but he hasn't scored a goal since January 21st playing on the top line.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Advanced stats looking better but he hasn't scored a goal since January 21st playing on the top line.

Since Byfield's move to the top line

24 games
72% GF%
Kopitar: 15g, 14a, 29p
Kempe: 15g, 8a, 23p
Byfield: 2g, 9a, 11pts
Both Kopi and Kempe have had a 4g game

Of course we want the production to follow but Byfield is an absolutely key part of our top line right now, it's not just 'but the advanced stats are good,' Byfield is an absolute menace out there and growing a little bit every game and it's his hard work that's enabling Kopitar to be a trigger guy instead of the usual "Mr. Everything" which is why his game was fading, he was on the red side of the GF% battle for a couple of years until Byfield moved up and now they are utterly dominant.

He needs to have some confidence in his shot, dude can't buy a goal right now, and he's been the firestarter for a lot of plays, hence missing some assists. Have to believe the production is coming, but until it does, that's a fair criticism. But his play is UP and he's proving he can handle the tougher minutes.

(this is also with NO PP time).

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Since Byfield's move to the top line

24 games
72% GF%
Kopitar: 15g, 14a, 29p
Kempe: 15g, 8a, 23p
Byfield: 2g, 9a, 11pts
Both Kopi and Kempe have had a 4g game

Of course we want the production to follow but Byfield is an absolutely key part of our top line right now, it's not just 'but the advanced stats are good,' Byfield is an absolute menace out there and growing a little bit every game and it's his hard work that's enabling Kopitar to be a trigger guy instead of the usual "Mr. Everything" which is why his game was fading, he was on the red side of the GF% battle for a couple of years until Byfield moved up and now they are utterly dominant.

He needs to have some confidence in his shot, dude can't buy a goal right now, and he's been the firestarter for a lot of plays, hence missing some assists. Have to believe the production is coming, but until it does, that's a fair criticism. But his play is UP and he's proving he can handle the tougher minutes.

(this is also with NO PP time).

His production is gonna come. It's inevitable with the way he's playing.

He's got 2g 10p in his last 19gp despite being extremely snakebit and getting almost no PP time. Add in some puck luck and PP time and that's a 50-60 point pace.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's worth noting he's got a 13.2% on ice shooting percentage in that span. That's probably not sustainable...

 

[Osprey]

I think that we should be careful about what we attribute to Byfield. He was moved up to the top line not long after Copley came into the net, and the team has been a lot better with a competent goalie. Also, while Kopitar and Kempe have each had a 4-goal game since his promotion to their line, he assisted on only 1 of each. He's doing a good job supporting the play--getting in on the forecheck, digging out pucks, keeping pucks alive and so on--but that isn't exactly skilled work. He does make skillful plays, but not as often as I'd wish. Yes, his P/60 at 5v5 is a solid 1.78, but Lizotte's is 2.16, so he's producing less at even strength than a 3rd liner. Yes, he'd have more points if he got more powerplay time, but he has the worst PPP/60 on the team, so he doesn't deserve it and it would've worked out to only 3-5 more points so far. I'm not trying to knock him, though, because he's doing pretty well for a 20 year old and is going to be a solid NHLer.

 

[SlafySZN]

Man, this kid is gonna be an absolute beast. I enjoy watching him.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

I think that we should be careful about what we attribute to Byfield. He was moved up to the top line not long after Copley came into the net, and the team has been a lot better with a competent goalie. Also, while Kopitar and Kempe have each had a 4-goal game since his promotion to their line, he assisted on only 1 of each. He's doing a good job supporting the play--getting in on the forecheck, digging out pucks, keeping pucks alive and so on--but that isn't exactly skilled work. He does make skillful plays, but not as often as I'd wish. Yes, his P/60 at 5v5 is a solid 1.78, but Lizotte's is 2.16, so he's producing less at even strength than a 3rd liner. Yes, he'd have more points if he got more powerplay time, but he has the worst PPP/60 on the team, so he doesn't deserve it and it would've worked out to only 3-5 more points so far. I'm not trying to knock him, though, because he's doing pretty well for a 20 year old and is going to be a solid NHLer.

Thanks for the great post. Probably the most level-headed thing I’ve read about QB.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Alley Oop!



Kids had quite a few special passes over the last few games and this might be the best one, playmaking is coming around nicely, shot has to be next!

 

[ManByng]

Sorry, but it’s pure cope and anyone outside LA can see that. There is zero comparison to be made between the two and Stutzle is quite clearly the better talent by every conceivable metric.

There was talk that the Kings were thinking about taking Stutzle....betcha they wish they had of !

 

[sennysensen]

I can totally see Q as a future Keith Primeau type player. If the stars align, his max upside could be Kopitar, but not many forwards become that good defensively.

Apparently, Detroit would have taken Stutzle 1st overall, I trust their drafting. Sens had Stutzle 2nd after Lafreniere, lucky they didn't end up picking 1st.

Although, I like Laf, he will be a good 2-way 2nd liner for a long time. If he was picked 7th instead of 1st we'd be talking about how well he's deveoping.

 

[ru4reals]

I can totally see Q as a future Keith Primeau type player. If the stars align, his max upside could be Kopitar, but not many forwards become that good defensively.

Apparently, Detroit would have taken Stutzle 1st overall, I trust their drafting. Sens had Stutzle 2nd after Lafreniere, lucky they didn't end up picking 1st.

Although, I like Laf, he will be a good 2-way 2nd liner for a long time. If he was picked 7th instead of 1st we'd be talking about how well he's deveoping.

I don't see Keith Primeau personally. Primeau was tough as nails and a power forward that can fight. Byfield although has had one or two nice little hits just isn't the same type of player. I think he's more skilled and a better playmaker though.

 

[Akrapovince]

It’s real quiet since Byfield has been playing well, where did everyone go?

 

[Jericho111091]

It’s real quiet since Byfield has been playing well, where did everyone go?

/shrug