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C Nolan Patrick - Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (2017 Draft)

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Daximus said:
Things could get reaaaal interesting. Say Vegas gets 1OA. Do they take Patrick anyways? Can you risk losing out on a guy like him as an expansion team even if he is out for 61% of the season?
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I actually looked at how the first picks by expansion teams did by whether they played the expansion season with the team that drafted him. I hope whoever they take they send back to junior, college or their european team. Pretty sure the best result for a kid who played immediately was Hamrlik and Gaborik, but was mostly guys like Rob Niedermayer, Pat Faloon, and Patrik Stefan.

Seems the expansion teams that did their best in the draft sent there kid back for a year with Kariya, and Yashin (despite the contract problems). The other 2 to take this route out of recent expansion were Legwand (solid but unspectacular career, comparable to Hamrlik in my mind) and Klesla (not a great career).

Knowing the talent of this draft, I would hope whoever Vegas drafts, they choose to be extremely cautious with. The only kid who might be ready for the NHL is Patrick, but if this year is a write-off mostly, then even he should probably go back to Brandon.
 
Daximus said:
Things could get reaaaal interesting. Say Vegas gets 1OA. Do they take Patrick anyways? Can you risk losing out on a guy like him as an expansion team even if he is out for 61% of the season?
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What a horrible way to have one of your dreams come true. Get drafted and go to that dump hole of a place. I'm sure a 18 year old from Manitoba is wishing to live his dream there lol.

With Calgary and Vancouver continuing to slide hopefully one of them get him.
 
Daximus said:
Things could get reaaaal interesting. Say Vegas gets 1OA. Do they take Patrick anyways? Can you risk losing out on a guy like him as an expansion team even if he is out for 61% of the season?
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Yea if you are Vegas you probably just roll with Patrick. It's early still but he is a really good young prospect!
 
Daximus said:
Things could get reaaaal interesting. Say Vegas gets 1OA. Do they take Patrick anyways? Can you risk losing out on a guy like him as an expansion team even if he is out for 61% of the season?
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A precedent is the 2012 draft - where there were a bunch of players out that season (Yak, Galchenyuk, Rielly). It's not a happy precedent because that draft looks bad for a bunch of reasons. Having said that, in the context of this draft, Patrick is still an extremely attractive pick - and one who has far fewer flaws than someone like Yak.

Like is pointed out above, McCrimmon would probably be aggressive in wanting Patrick (and it's not unjustifiable). I guess the question is...is there someone who is credibly pushing for that 1OA spot. So far, I think no...but others can comment.
 
Daximus said:
I'd say closer to a Ryan Getzlaf. Though further along in his development and a bit better overall at the same age. Kopitar might be a bit more well rounded in different ways.
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Ryan Getzlaf is downright mean, is that Patrick as well? How goes he compare to a guy like Blake Wheeler? Haven't been able to watch CHL since that site got taken down.
 
habsrule4eva3089 said:
What a horrible way to have one of your dreams come true. Get drafted and go to that dump hole of a place. I'm sure a 18 year old from Manitoba is wishing to live his dream there lol.

With Calgary and Vancouver continuing to slide hopefully one of them get him.
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I'm sure he'd miss those wonderful cold Canadian winters.
 
On the note of his injury, what was it related to?

I remember Rielly had an injury that cost him almost all of his draft season and the Leafs still picked him up high that year. Is this going to be the case for Nolan or is the race too tight for that and hes going to drop?
 
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7even said:
Ryan Getzlaf is downright mean, is that Patrick as well? How goes he compare to a guy like Blake Wheeler? Haven't been able to watch CHL since that site got taken down.
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Yeah Nolan definitely has a mean streak. He fights pretty regularly. At least whenever I see him. He likes to trash talk a lot too. Always in the middle of scrums.
Not sure. He doesn't have Wheelers speed but I'd say his vision and shooting are further developed than Wheelers was at this age.
 
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I'm sure he'd miss those wonderful cold Canadian winters.
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Cold Canadian winters are a thing of the past these days. Haven't had a real cold winter for a few years now. Doesn't look like this one will be any different. Mid November and not a flake of snow in the prairies.
 
Daximus said:
Yeah Nolan definitely has a mean streak. He fights pretty regularly. At least whenever I see him. He likes to trash talk a lot too. Always in the middle of scrums.
Not sure. He doesn't have Wheelers speed but I'd say his vision and shooting are further developed than Wheelers was at this age.
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Thanks for the reply, sounds like he could be a unique player in the big leagues. Wayne Simmonds on steroids? :naughty:
 
schenneuf said:
He had offseason surgery and now he's out indefinitely. Injury-prone?
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He's played 82 games and 105 games the past 2 years so it's more of a case that he's played too much hockey and shouldn't have played through an injury.

Even if he misses the rest of the year he'll still go #1.
 
landy92mack29 said:
He's played 82 games and 105 games the past 2 years so it's more of a case that he's played too much hockey and shouldn't have played through an injury.

Even if he misses the rest of the year he'll still go #1.
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Depends on the medicals, and how guys like Liljegren, Hischier, and Vilardi perform. A guy missing a full season due to what should be a fairly routine procedure would draw serious question marks. Especially with how secretive the whole situation has been.
 
I never saw this piece posted, thought it was an interesting write-up. Joyce is very well connected.

So far, Patrick has missed 11 games prior to the WHL contests against Russia and no one is suggesting that any prospect has soared up in Patrick’s absence to threaten his first-overall status. That said, his injury and convalescence has scouts talking. Said one scout whose team is likely to be in the lottery mix: “I understand about [Patrick] wanting to be cautious and that he’s getting advice to be cautious from the team, his family and his agent and doctors. You’re balancing the idea that you don’t want to have a re-injury that leads to long-term issues.

"But how long is too long? Do you have to be 100 percent? Sometimes getting into the line-up is part of the recovery [and] you only get up to full speed by testing it and pushing it.”

According to this scout and others I spoke with in recent days, their inquiries are being referred to his agent with Titan Sports, Jarrett Bousquet, who just happens to have a degree in kinesiology.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/scouts-take-exactly-happening-nolan-patrick/

Edit: More recent piece, where it sounds like Patrick is a no-go for the WJC.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/dylan-strome-good-can-canada-world-junior-championship/

There doesn’t seem like much of a question about Nolan Patrick’s best position with the world junior team: spectator. Yes, the Brandon centre is at this point remains, by consensus, the projected first-overall pick in the 2017 NHL Draft. Still, at this point, those who should get consideration for the Canadian team have to be playing and, moreover, raising their game to mid-season speed. And this would be especially true of a player as young as Patrick.

Yeah, the old line about the WJC being a 19-year-olds’ tournament doesn’t ring as true today as it did 10 or 20 years ago, but it’s very rarely a 17-year-old’s tournament. And it’s not a tournament for 17-year-olds coming off an injury. The point might be moot in Patrick’s case—scuttlebutt in NHL scouting circles is that Patrick will remain on the sidelines until mid-December and maybe even into January. Still, based on what he has and hasn’t been able to do this season it would seem a bad risk and a brutally big ask of a kid to throw him into the lineup, even as a 13th forward.
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I wouldn't classify Patrick as injury prone. But speculation is there were bad choices made by his advisors and coaches. He likely shouldn't have played through the hernia after the red deer series, and he likely should have had surgery as soon as the season ended. And he shouldn't have rushed back for the season opener. And he shouldn't rush back to play in the WJC being as though he will be at 75% at best, I'd advise him to sit out and get back up to speed slowly...
My guess is he will go second overall (unless Las Vegas pick first) and will end up being the best player out of the 2017 draft by the end of his career
Remember, I was the poster who mentioned possibly no return till Feb, I want to reiterate that statement wasn't based on any inside knowledge, just a rumour from a friend of a friend....
In his absence, Kaspick, Lewis, Duke and Mattheos have really picked up their game. Young guys like Gutenburg and Reinhardt have also logged way more ice time than they ever could have imagined which will really help this team next season
 
Daximus said:
Yeah Nolan definitely has a mean streak. He fights pretty regularly. At least whenever I see him. He likes to trash talk a lot too. Always in the middle of scrums.
Not sure. He doesn't have Wheelers speed but I'd say his vision and shooting are further developed than Wheelers was at this age.
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This is a bit misleading. Unless your idea of a player fighting "pretty regularly" is two fights in regular season play during his WHL tenure. That's as many fights as Phil Kessel!
 
FrozenJagrt said:
This is a bit misleading. Unless your idea of a player fighting "pretty regularly" is two fights in regular season play during his WHL tenure. That's as many fights as Phil Kessel!
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I should say he is involved in post whistle business pretty regularly. Very often the refs don't let it get that far these days especially with him. Though I do remember last time I saw him play the Warriors he and another guy were throwing punches but neither of them got majors for it. Which was odd, they both just got 2 for roughing.

EDit: Come to think of it I saw him get into another scrap last year much the same. Punches thrown from both sides but only 2 minute roughing penalties. Probably because they didn't noticeably drop the gloves to have it out. They just kind of started throwing. Weird.

Either way kid is tough.
 
I don't think Patrick's done enough at this point to be a surefire 1st overall pick. Hope he comes back as soon as possible but it'd be very interesting to see how this draft shakes out if he misses most of the season.
 
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