C Nolan Patrick (2017, 2nd, PHI) III

[Random Forest]

Patrick out tonight with an "upper body injury". Piss poor management by doctors, coaches and GMs to let him practice the day after sustaining a possible concussion. Id be pissed if I was a Flyers fan

Yes, because he obviously practiced at full intensity, right?

Showing up to practice, skating lightly, and taking some shots is not going to aggravate a concussion. What do you think these guys do when they have concussion? Hole up in a dark room covered in bubble wrap?

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Yes, because he obviously practiced at full intensity, right?

Showing up to practice, skating lightly, and taking some shots is not going to aggravate a concussion. What do you think these guys do when they have concussion? Hole up in a dark room covered in bubble wrap?

Wait, you think it's common for concussed players to participate in practices? Also, do you know whether or not the practice had elements of contact or not and if Patrick participated? Just totally irresponsible

 

[Random Forest]

Wait, you think it's common for concussed players to participate in practices? Also, do you know whether or not the practice had elements of contact or not and if Patrick participated? Just totally irresponsible

Do you? And do you know if Patrick participated in those elements?

Knock off your high horse. Going around for a light skate isn't going to exacerbate a mild concussion, and you have zero evidence that he exerted himself any more than that.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Do you? And do you know if Patrick participated in those elements?

Knock off your high horse. Going around for a light skate isn't going to exacerbate a mild concussion, and you have zero evidence that he exerted himself any more than that.

I think it's safe to assume he was a full participant considering zero (0) sources said he was limited and Patrick himself said he planned to play.

Crazy considering it's common knowledge that symptoms can occur days later. There's no upside in having your prized prospect practicing yesterday, buddy.

 

[BomaLightDevils]

I actually think it was some kind of spin from philly because they don't wanna defend Patrick again about the injury situation. This is also a very tough spot for their management because what do you do if Patrick is out 3 month, would it then be the best move to send him back?!? I don't know

 

[Szechwan]

I will take the opinion of the professionals at an original 6 franchise that has never missed the playoffs more than two years in a row in the past 50 years, over your opinion. They seem to know a thing or two about having a successful franchise. That includes drafting players, of course.

And no, Bruins fans didn't flip a thing, nor then, nor now. Look in the Bruins section and see how often Barzal gets mentioned. He doesn't. Truly a non issue for us.

Go back to those draft threads Bruins fans were f***ing livid.

You can take whoever's opinion you want, but look at the 3 players that went after the 3 Boston picks.

Matt Barzal
Kyle Connor
Thomas Chabot

You're telling me you'd rather have Zboril, Senyshyn and Debrusk? Over those 3???

It's not a personal attack- Boston just completely blew it. They've made plenty of great picks over the past few years like Pastrnak but you might as well be honest with yourself when they crap the bed.

 

[ijuka]

Yes, because he obviously practiced at full intensity, right?

Showing up to practice, skating lightly, and taking some shots is not going to aggravate a concussion. What do you think these guys do when they have concussion? Hole up in a dark room covered in bubble wrap?

That's pretty much it. You're not supposed to move around a whole lot. Skating is a no no. And you shouldn't even walk around all that much so soon.

Being in a dark room for most of the time was perhaps sarcasm but that's pretty much what's the recommendation.

 

[Random Forest]

That's pretty much it. You're not supposed to move around a whole lot. Skating is a no no. And you shouldn't even walk around all that much so soon.

Being in a dark room for most of the time was perhaps sarcasm but that's pretty much what's the recommendation.

Concussions can range from mild with virtually no symptoms to so severe that the person shouldn't be allowed to leave the house. Without actually observing Patrick's condition, you don't know jack about how much level of exercise is appropriate. The assumption that all concussions should be treated as completely and totally debilitating is nonsense. If Patrick was observed by doctors to be showing no symptoms the next day, then no, a light skate isn't a "no no".

 

[ijuka]

Concussions can range from mild with virtually no symptoms to so severe that the person shouldn't be allowed to leave the house. Without actually observing Patrick's condition, you don't know jack about how much level of exercise is appropriate. The assumption that all concussions should be treated as completely and totally debilitating is nonsense. If Patrick was observed by doctors to be showing no symptoms the next day, then no, a light skate isn't a "no no".

There are no mild concussions.

The symptoms can take a while to surface. Allowing a player to skate after "no symptoms the next day" is extremely irresponsible and definitely a "no no".

Go ahead and look at the guidelines for how long exactly you have to be symptom free before skating. Note: it's not 1 day.

 

[Rebels57]

You sound like a fan, not a logical thinker.

I think it's safe to assume he was a full participant considering zero (0) sources said he was limited and Patrick himself said he planned to play.

Crazy considering it's common knowledge that symptoms can occur days later. There's no upside in having your prized prospect practicing yesterday, buddy.

You are so full of shit.

You have no knowledge whatsoever of the situation and are instead using baseless conjecture to fuel your hot takes.

 

[Random Forest]

There are no mild concussions.

The symptoms can take a while to surface. Allowing a player to skate after "no symptoms the next day" is extremely irresponsible and definitely a "no no".

Go ahead and look at the guidelines for how long exactly you have to be symptom free before skating. Note: it's not 1 day.

I presume your take is informed by your medical expertise and extensive knowledge of the brain. Oh, it's not?

 

[ijuka]

I presume your take is informed by your medical expertise and extensive knowledge of the brain. Oh, it's not?

My extensive knowledge of the brain allows me to read NHL's concussion recovery guidelines.

 

[Random Forest]

My extensive knowledge of the brain allows me to read NHL's concussion recovery guidelines.

Impressive that your degree in reading NHL concussion recovery guidelines has qualified you to diagnose athletes with zero physical interaction and make sweeping claims about concussions like "there are no mild" ones. You must be proud of your credentials.

 

[Go Wings]

Happens with everyone. Pulju, Juolevi, Dubois ect were all busts after last season, according to some

Literally none of those have looked like anythjng special this season, bad example.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Go back to those draft threads Bruins fans were ****ing livid.

You can take whoever's opinion you want, but look at the 3 players that went after the 3 Boston picks.

Matt Barzal
Kyle Connor
Thomas Chabot

You're telling me you'd rather have Zboril, Senyshyn and Debrusk? Over those 3???

It's not a personal attack- Boston just completely blew it. They've made plenty of great picks over the past few years like Pastrnak but you might as well be honest with yourself when they crap the bed.

What part of you can't judge any prospect until they actually set foot in the NHL don't you understand?

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Literally none of those have looked like anythjng special this season, bad example.

All have literally played under 10 games

 

[mouser]

There are no mild concussions.

The symptoms can take a while to surface. Allowing a player to skate after "no symptoms the next day" is extremely irresponsible and definitely a "no no".

Go ahead and look at the guidelines for how long exactly you have to be symptom free before skating. Note: it's not 1 day.

My extensive knowledge of the brain allows me to read NHL's concussion recovery guidelines.

Maybe you could provide a link to those guidelines? The concussion protocol docs I've seen say the player can skate the next day if symptom free.

https://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/assets/binary/282574512/binary-file/file.pdf

 

[Scott Malkinson]

Happens with everyone. Pulju, Juolevi, Dubois ect were all busts after last season, according to some

Puljujarvi, Juolevi and Dubois were all picked ahead of Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy and Chychrun.

Keller, Sergachev and McAvoy have as many NHL points (8) as Puljujarvi. Each of them did it in under 10 games. It took Puljujarvi almost 30 games. He played on a team with Draisaitl and McDavid but was demoted to the AHL.

Juolevi took off to Europe because he wasn't eligible to play in the AHL.

Dubois has 1 point in 10 NHL games. He's currently pointless in 9 straight games.

Using Puljujarvi, Juolevi and Dubois as success stories is a terrible tactic. A case can be made that each of them were the wrong pick at their spot.

 

[Fogelhund]

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#Flyers confirm what seemed likely yesterday: no Nolan Patrick tonight.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Puljujarvi, Juolevi and Dubois were all picked ahead of Tkachuk, Keller, Sergachev, McAvoy and Chychrun.

Keller, Sergachev and McAvoy have as many NHL points (8) as Puljujarvi. Each of them did it in under 10 games. It took Puljujarvi almost 30 games. He played on a team with Draisaitl and McDavid but was demoted to the AHL.

Juolevi took off to Europe because he wasn't eligible to play in the AHL.

Dubois has 1 point in 10 NHL games. He's currently pointless in 9 straight games.

Using Puljujarvi, Juolevi and Dubois as success stories is a terrible tactic. A case can be made that each of them were the wrong pick at their spot.

I was never debating that they were picked on right spots. Someone said people are overreacting about Nolan, and I said people always overreact when it comes to high draft picks. It's completely fair to say certain players should have been picked higher but multiple people have called them busts which is absolutely an overreaction.

 

[Scott Malkinson]

I was never debating that they were picked on right spots. Someone said people are overreacting about Nolan, and I said people always overreact when it comes to high draft picks. It's completely fair to say certain players should have been picked higher but multiple people have called them busts which is absolutely an overreaction.

Fine, he is not a bust. But the injuries at 19 years of age are really not good. If it continues, you can't expect him to live up to draft day expectations. Knowing he had injury issues throughout his junior days, I still find it questionable he was drafted ahead of Elias Pettersson.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

You are so full of ****.

You have no knowledge whatsoever of the situation and are instead using baseless conjecture to fuel your hot takes.

Dude, it's common knowledge that symptoms for concussions can take a couple of days to surface. He was friggin taken out of the game the night before due to a head injury and they let him practice hours later. Anyone with common sense should know that's probably a bad idea. Not sure how that's a hot take, Rebel Bully.

 

[My3Sons]

Fine, he is not a bust. But the injuries at 19 years of age are really not good. If it continues, you can't expect him to live up to draft day expectations. Knowing he had injury issues throughout his junior days, I still find it questionable he was drafted ahead of Elias Pettersson.

Patrick is an NHL player right now. Petterson is not. Doesn’t mean Petterson won’t be a superior player at some point but go back to June and I’m confident most GMs and scouting departments had Patrick ahead of Petterson. Hindsight’s always 20/20.

 

[HBK27]

Looks like Patrick will miss tonight's game as well - has any official come out regarding what type of injury he suffered? I know most assume it was a concussion, but that's all still speculation, right?

EDIT - after looking at the replay of the injury again, guess it seems clear that a concussion is the most likely scenario.

 

[Curufinwe]

Dude, it's common knowledge that symptoms for concussions can take a couple of days to surface. He was friggin taken out of the game the night before due to a head injury and they let him practice hours later. Anyone with common sense should know that's probably a bad idea. Not sure how that's a hot take, Rebel Bully.

Educate yourself by reading post #92.