C Nolan Patrick (2017, 2nd, PHI) III

[BruinLVGA]

So, any update on his status?

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Educate yourself by reading post #92.

Don't appreciate the snide.

Again, it's great that the NHL has these rules but the Flyers (and other teams) should be more cautious.

https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/providers/return_to_activities.html

According to this link from the CDC, if you have no symptoms, you should rest for AT LEAST 24 hours before doing anything. Patrick practiced like 15 hours after the hit. After the rest period, you should slowly work your way back. Step 1 being a light jog or walk for 5-10 minutes. After that, you increase from there. We know Philadelphia didn't follow the rest portion and he practiced mere hours later after the hit . Practices aren't typically "light skates", either and there were no reports of him being limited from anyone.

 

[Brayden Fattison]

So, any update on his status?

Just this:

 

[Darkauron]

Does anyone remember that document about Nolan Patrick's mobility/pain index or something at the NHL combine? I know it listed a lot of other useful information on him and Nico Hischier from their full test results at the combine. I cant seem to find it anywhere anymore.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Does anyone remember that document about Nolan Patrick's mobility/pain index or something at the NHL combine? I know it listed a lot of other useful information on him and Nico Hischier from their full test results at the combine. I cant seem to find it anywhere anymore.

Not sure it'd be very accurate. Patrick had a(nother) surgery shortly after the combine

 

[Fogelhund]

I presume your take is informed by your medical expertise and extensive knowledge of the brain. Oh, it's not?

I've taken National Certification Coaching courses, including full courses on proper Concussion protocol. He is correct, and you aren't in terms of current proper protocol.

 

[Random Forest]

I've taken National Certification Coaching courses, including full courses on proper Concussion protocol. He is correct, and you aren't in terms of current proper protocol.

I'm sure your coaching certificate course gave you the same knowledge of brain trauma as the medical doctors who are advising Patrick. If only they took your dinky class!

 

[NJ DevLolz]

I'm sure your coaching certificate course gave you the same knowledge of brain trauma as the medical doctors who are advising Patrick. If only they took your dinky class!

Dude, just stop. Do you think there's any chance the Flyers' medical staff messed up here? Again, no need to be so condescending .

Not saying they made things worse, but they certainly made the wrong call letting him practice 12 hours later....

 

[Random Forest]

Dude, just stop. Do you think there's any chance the Flyers' medical staff messed up here? Again, no need to be so condescending .

Not saying they made things worse, but they certainly made the wrong call letting him practice 12 hours later....

Of course there's a chance. Better question, do YOU think there's a chance they didn't screw up? You're the ones making categorical statements, not me.

 

[ijuka]

Of course there's a chance. Better question, do YOU think there's a chance they didn't screw up? You're the ones making categorical statements, not me.

What are you even arguing about? Haven't you already admitted you were wrong here?

With concussions when you're not certain it obviously is correct to play it safe. This is just common sense. You don't need to have any education to understand that. They also weren't following proper concussion protocol - Are you actually contesting this still? What exactly is it that you are disagreeing about here, so I can direct my counterpoint more accurately?

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Of course there's a chance. Better question, do YOU think there's a chance they didn't screw up? You're the ones making categorical statements, not me.

What....are you even trying to prove here? The facts are as follows:

1. Nolan Patrick left a game due to his head slamming against the boards.

2. The next morning, Patrick is seen practicing (no one specified it was limited). Patrick says he is playing the next day.

3. The CDC states that an athlete should rest for at least 24 hours after sustaining a hard blow to the head. After that, you gradually increase activity. The reason you rest and gradually increase activity is because everyone and their mother knows symptoms can come forth 2-3 days later. Lo and behold, he obviously has symptoms because:

4. Patrick misses the next game; hasn't played or practiced in over 2 weeks.

 

[whitstifier]

Patrick said it was his first such injury in his life. Probably something to do with miscommunication in this instance. He said he was ready to play right away since he felt fine. The Flyers followed protocol, and then some.

 

[whitstifier]

Also... Gotta love the armchair doctors and GMs making conclusions about Patrick after 9 NHL games.

How is Hischier doing lately after a hot start? 0 goals, 3 assists in 8 games. That's about how productive Patrick has been overall.

Pettersson has the build of Tyler Myers and plays in a relatively lower contact league.

Way too early to be saying Patrick is a lesser player than anyone taken in the most recent draft...

 

[Albatros]

In his last 9 games Hischier has in fact six points, so even in terms of points he has twice as many with the same sample size. But if you look at their advanced stats, the gap between the two is even larger. Maybe Patrick will improve significantly still, it's only mid-November, but so far he's been one of the worst players in the league.

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

In his last 9 games Hischier has in fact six points, so even in terms of points he has twice as many with the same sample size. But if you look at their advanced stats, the gap between the two is even larger. Maybe Patrick will improve significantly still, it's only mid-November, but so far he's been one of the worst players in the league.

If that's honestly what you think, you might want to find another sport to watch. Hockey clearly isn't your thing.

 

[Albatros]

His Corsi is 686th in the league, Fenwick 680th.

 

[My3Sons]

Patrick is still essentially a child. Maybe a big child but still a young man. So is Hischier. Give Patrick a chance to adjust and to get healthy. Anyone writing PATRICK off or even comparing him to Hischier is doing both players a disservice.

 

[The Noot]

His Corsi is 686th in the league, Fenwick 680th.

And both of these stats are utterly useless with the sample size we have at our disposal.

Or any stat, for that matter.

 

[Critical13]

And both of these stats are utterly useless with the sample size we have at our disposal.

Or any stat, for that matter.

I've watched a few of his games...he hasn't been good.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm sure your coaching certificate course gave you the same knowledge of brain trauma as the medical doctors who are advising Patrick. If only they took your dinky class!

See, that's the funny thing. Even with a basic knowledge of Concussion protocol, your statement is laughable. Let me be plain, so that you understand; enacting concussion protocol requires ZERO medical training, but a "suspected" concussion, should result in removal from action (at minimum). Once removed from activity, from a "suspected" concussion, that is when the trained medical professional comes into play. And yes, the medical staff screwed up here.... He returned to action, with a concussion... that is an error.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Also... Gotta love the armchair doctors and GMs making conclusions about Patrick after 9 NHL games.

How is Hischier doing lately after a hot start? 0 goals, 3 assists in 8 games. That's about how productive Patrick has been overall.

Pettersson has the build of Tyler Myers and plays in a relatively lower contact league.

Way too early to be saying Patrick is a lesser player than anyone taken in the most recent draft...

P/60 for the most recent 1oa picks in their rookie season:

1. McDavid - 2.69
2. HISCHIER - 2.29
3. Kane - 2.26
4. Yakupov- 2.14
5. Matthews - 2.12
6. Mackinnon - 2.07
7. RNH- 1.95
8. Hall - 1.51
9. Tavares - 1.32

If you are judging by his performance this season (to date), which you just did, then Nico has been one of the more impressive 1oa in his rookie year

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Not saying Nico has been bad but I think cherry picking one stat(P/60) to say he has been one of the more impressive 1oa is a bit much.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Not saying Nico has been bad but I think cherry picking one stat(P/60) to say he has been one of the more impressive 1oa is a bit much.

That wasn't the point. The point was to disprove the notion that Nico hasn't been impressive

 

[whitstifier]

P/60 for the most recent 1oa picks in their rookie season:

1. McDavid - 2.69
2. HISCHIER - 2.29
3. Kane - 2.26
4. Yakupov- 2.14
5. Matthews - 2.12
6. Mackinnon - 2.07
7. RNH- 1.95
8. Hall - 1.51
9. Tavares - 1.32

If you are judging by his performance this season (to date), which you just did, then Nico has been one of the more impressive 1oa in his rookie year

What's Hischier's p/60 over the last 8 games?

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Fine, he is not a bust. But the injuries at 19 years of age are really not good. If it continues, you can't expect him to live up to draft day expectations. Knowing he had injury issues throughout his junior days, I still find it questionable he was drafted ahead of Elias Pettersson.

Well if Philly drafted, Pettersson 2nd overall, that would have caused quite the noise on draft day. It would have been a pretty big reach, seeing as Pettersson was ranked 7-10 on average. I don't even think the Canucks would have taken Pettersson at 2nd overall... No matter what Benning says