C Nolan Patrick (2017, 2nd, PHI) III

[BruinLVGA]

What's Hischier's p/60 over the last 8 games?

For the sake of update, that P/60 stat has been updated to the 27 games mark (= all the games played so far by Nico & the Devils this season) and his number is up to 2.73.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I may be crazy, but I'm not 100% sure he'd make the WJR team with the way he is skating right now. Another thing I've noticed is how short he tends to keep his shifts and how winded he often looks when he comes off the ice. It seems he's still getting his lungs back as well. I'm keeping my expectations low for him this year and assume he's going to get very sheltered NHL minutes until next year. But I've seen enough of his play making and that quick release / shot to still be very excited about his future.

Not entirely crazy. I was thinking the same thing. but if he were made available Hockey Canada would be obligated to take him. I can't imagine them cutting him if he was released to the camp roster. It would be devastating. It's an unfortunate situation for everyone involved, player and team. The right thing to do would be to send him back to the WHL after Christmas. back to junior. a year/or less next year in the AHL and he should be fine.

 

[S E P H]

Anyone getting a Thornton/Lecavalier feel from this guy? Highly touted coming into the league, has size but lacks the speed and skating to be an impact player out of the gate.

I think baring injuries he will be fine long-term.

Before he got drafted I said he was always going to be Jordan Staal 2.0 and so far you can say that is what he's going to become.

 

[whitstifier]

For the sake of update, that P/60 stat has been updated to the 27 games mark (= all the games played so far by Nico & the Devils this season) and his number is up to 2.73.

But what about those 8 games?

 

[whitstifier]

Before he got drafted I said he was always going to be Jordan Staal 2.0 and so far you can say that is what he's going to become.

How? Not that I'm complaining, there's just not much of a report on him yet in NHL action

 

[S E P H]

How? Not that I'm complaining, there's just not much of a report on him yet in NHL action

Because Patrick is an elite two-way player that never really had the offencive talent to be considered a player higher on the skill level for me like Getzlaf. I've watched him since he was 16 years old and never came away "extremely impressed" by his talent. He was on a couple loaded Brandon Wheat Kings which elevated his numbers by a lot, specifically his 2015-16 season where he put up 102 points in 72 games. He's still going to be a good and useful NHLer just like Jordan Staal was for Penguins and is now for the Hurricanes. Just don't expect him to be the best player in the draft nor maybe even in the top 5 if you do your redraft a handful of years down the road.

 

[BruinLVGA]

But what about those 8 games?

 

[whitstifier]

Because Patrick is an elite two-way player that never really had the offencive talent to be considered a player higher on the skill level for me like Getzlaf. I've watched him since he was 16 years old and never came away "extremely impressed" by his talent. He was on a couple loaded Brandon Wheat Kings which elevated his numbers by a lot, specifically his 2015-16 season where he put up 102 points in 72 games. He's still going to be a good and useful NHLer just like Jordan Staal was for Penguins and is now for the Hurricanes. Just don't expect him to be the best player in the draft nor maybe even in the top 5 if you do your redraft a handful of years down the road.

Can't really complain about a surprise 2OA. As I said, I wouldn't mind if Patrick ended up being a J Staal type player--he gets underrated a good bit.

I feel like Patrick is a pretty safe player. The injuries and usage have been a bummer, but I'm excited about his upside. Passing, shooting, awareness flash plus in limited ice time, though he does look overwhelmed right now. With strength and time to recover from hernia surgery, feel like low-end 1C or better upside is pretty feasible.

I don't see the point to sending Patrick back down to Brandon. WJC seems more likely (and Team Canada would be insane to not extend an invitation...). Regardless, I think the Flyers would not send Patrick down given the missteps by Brandon's training staff.

Patrick's a top prospect and the future of the franchise, don't think the Flyers would risk more health mismanagement. They just want to damage his psyche so they can control his contract like with Couturier. 4 years down the line, 3C-never-scored-40-points-disappointment Nolan Patrick will shred through top opponents like a grater through mozzarella. Hischier will be a $9 MM pizza to Patrick's tastier, cheap-date $5 MM stromboli. Conosco i miei polli!!

 

[Platypus420]

Can't really complain about a surprise 2OA. As I said, I wouldn't mind if Patrick ended up being a J Staal type player--he gets underrated a good bit.

I feel like Patrick is a pretty safe player. The injuries and usage have been a bummer, but I'm excited about his upside. Passing, shooting, awareness flash plus in limited ice time, though he does look overwhelmed right now. With strength and time to recover from hernia surgery, feel like low-end 1C or better upside is pretty feasible.

I don't see the point to sending Patrick back down to Brandon. WJC seems more likely (and Team Canada would be insane to not extend an invitation...). Regardless, I think the Flyers would not send Patrick down given the missteps by Brandon's training staff.

Patrick's a top prospect and the future of the franchise, don't think the Flyers would risk more health mismanagement. They just want to damage his psyche so they can control his contract like with Couturier. 4 years down the line, 3C-never-scored-40-points-disappointment Nolan Patrick will shred through top opponents like a grater through mozzarella. Hischier will be a $9 MM pizza to Patrick's tastier, cheap-date $5 MM stromboli. Conosco i miei polli!!

 

[Platypus420]

Could be or he could be flipping pizzas as a part time job while he’s playing for the Phantoms

 

[Connor McConnor]

Can't really complain about a surprise 2OA. As I said, I wouldn't mind if Patrick ended up being a J Staal type player--he gets underrated a good bit.

I feel like Patrick is a pretty safe player. The injuries and usage have been a bummer, but I'm excited about his upside. Passing, shooting, awareness flash plus in limited ice time, though he does look overwhelmed right now. With strength and time to recover from hernia surgery, feel like low-end 1C or better upside is pretty feasible.

I don't see the point to sending Patrick back down to Brandon. WJC seems more likely (and Team Canada would be insane to not extend an invitation...). Regardless, I think the Flyers would not send Patrick down given the missteps by Brandon's training staff.

Patrick's a top prospect and the future of the franchise, don't think the Flyers would risk more health mismanagement. They just want to damage his psyche so they can control his contract like with Couturier. 4 years down the line, 3C-never-scored-40-points-disappointment Nolan Patrick will shred through top opponents like a grater through mozzarella. Hischier will be a $9 MM pizza to Patrick's tastier, cheap-date $5 MM stromboli. Conosco i miei polli!!

The future of the franchise is Ivan Provorov. He will win multiple Norris' before his career is done. They are building a team from the back out which is not like Flyers teams of the past but has proven to be a recipe for success. Once Carter Hart is ready, the Flyers should be a top defensive team in the league in 3 years imo.

 

[Ippenator]

I think he is a very much overrated prospect. Pretty good, but not even close of being spectacular in really any area of hockey. Being North American and overly hyped there made him a much higher pick than what he would have been, if he was a prospect from Europe with the exactly same skillset. As a European he would have most probably been even out of the top 10. At least definitely out of top 5.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

The future of the franchise is Ivan Provorov. He will win multiple Norris' before his career is done. They are building a team from the back out which is not like Flyers teams of the past but has proven to be a recipe for success. Once Carter Hart is ready, the Flyers should be a top defensive team in the league in 3 years imo.

Not saying you're wrong, but you should be careful with speaking in absolutes like this. Brodin was supposed to win Norris', Larsson was supposed to, etc, etc. Unless you're really special like a Karlsson, Doughty, Subban and Keith it's really tough. Look at who has not won one: Weber, Suter, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Ekman-Larsson. I would not gamble on any one dman to win 'several Norris'''. Not even guys clearly ahead of Provorov like Dahlin, Hedman, McAvoy and Werenski

 

[whitstifier]

Not saying you're wrong, but you should be careful with speaking in absolutes like this. Brodin was supposed to win Norris', Larsson was supposed to, etc, etc. Unless you're really special like a Karlsson, Doughty, Subban and Keith it's really tough. Look at who has not won one: Weber, Suter, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Ekman-Larsson. I would not gamble on any one dman to win 'several Norris'''. Not even guys clearly ahead of Provorov like Dahlin, Hedman, McAvoy and Werenski

Hmmmmm...

(Well, of the 3, Dahlin is probably better, but he doesn't have the NHL games to show it.)

Provorov is rocketing up the rankings of top NHL D this season. If Provorov can score as much as Hedman at ES, I think I'd prefer the former, despite the latter's clear advantage in PP ability.

 

[Zubrus Coffee Maker]

Is Nolan still being bothered by injuries? Or are the Flyers taking it slow with him. He seems like he isn't being used much by the coaching staff

 

[Deen]

Should be at the juniors. Philly is perplexing the way they use their winning lottery ticket.

 

[93LEAFS]

Is Nolan still being bothered by injuries? Or are the Flyers taking it slow with him. He seems like he isn't being used much by the coaching staff

Gaining explosiveness back after having two hernia surgeries in a short time span is generally a long task. He's young enough to come back, but it completely destroyed the career of Cheechoo and wiped away any explosiveness he had.

 

[Striiker]

Should be at the juniors. Philly is perplexing the way they use their winning lottery ticket.

Nope, that would have been a stupid thing to do.

No reason to waste time in the CHL when he has nothing to gain there.

 

[phil162888]

He's now moved up to the second line and has been playing better the past 3-4 games. His skating is starting to come around again. People seem to have forgotten the severity of the injury and the fact he had no off season. He's so talented and defensively responsible is the reason the Flyers chose to keep him up as opposed to sending him back to juniors. Only fear with Patrick is that he may be one of those athletes that's injury prone. His raw skill is there just needs to get in better game shape and gain some confidence in his offensive game which comes over time

 

[Fear the Wushu]

The future of the franchise is Ivan Provorov. He will win multiple Norris' before his career is done. They are building a team from the back out which is not like Flyers teams of the past but has proven to be a recipe for success. Once Carter Hart is ready, the Flyers should be a top defensive team in the league in 3 years imo.

You don't know if Provorov will win multiple Norris trophies, it's hard enough to win one. As a Devil fan, Niedermayer only one Norris trophy, Scott Stevens NEVER won the Norris trophy. Their is a very good possibility Provorov does not end up half as good as either of those two hall of famers and yet he will somehow win 'multiple' Norris trophies. That's a sick joke. That's like me saying Hischier will win multiple Selke's by the time he is done. I digress.

 

[1865]

You don't know if Provorov will win multiple Norris trophies, it's hard enough to win one. As a Devil fan, Niedermayer only one Norris trophy, Scott Stevens NEVER won the Norris trophy. Their is a very good possibility Provorov does not end up half as good as either of those two hall of famers and yet he will somehow win 'multiple' Norris trophies. That's a sick joke. That's like me saying Hischier will win multiple Selke's by the time he is done. I digress.

It's called confidence. We've seen a lot more of Provorov than you have Hischier so we're pretty confident in saying he can win two Norris.

 

[NJDevils17]

I think next year people will be talking about Patrick as a breakout. Offseason surgeries and injuries that take a year to come back from fully will do that.

Still think he’s gonna be a good player, injuries/recovery are holding him back right now.

 

[Jtown]

The talent is there , and is clear as day. He has the second best hands on the team after giroux. He has good hockey sense , and has great hockey iq. But right now he may be one of the worst skaters in the nhl.

He is just not an nhl level athlete as of now and its clear as day. His skating has gotten a lot better since early in the year but it's not where it needs to be. If he even becomes an above average skater he is goiing to be a very good player.

 

[zharkenby]

Hmmmmm...

(Well, of the 3, Dahlin is probably better, but he doesn't have the NHL games to show it.)

Provorov is rocketing up the rankings of top NHL D this season. If Provorov can score as much as Hedman at ES, I think I'd prefer the former, despite the latter's clear advantage in PP ability.

That is a HUGE if... not sure why you’re trying to downplay I️t. He’s nowhere near Hedman offensively or defensively

 

[whitstifier]

That is a HUGE if... not sure why you’re trying to downplay I️t. He’s nowhere near Hedman offensively or defensively

Of course it is... Don't get me wrong, Hedman is the clear choice right now. But, if Provorov can score that much 5v5, then he's my pick.

Hedman is absolutely the better player in the offensive zone. Not sure about the other two zones. Isolating context: the two have very similar QoC, inverse OZ/DZ start splits, and a big difference in QoT.