C Nico Hischier - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL (2017, 1st, NJD) II

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SergeConstantin74

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He's not the first rookie import to suffer the lenghty season. If a team decides to not draft him because of that, it will make another team VERY happy!

And why blame him for the playoffs? Did you watch the games? He was great. It was 2nd place vs 15th. Halifax wasn't even supposed to bring it to 6 games.
 

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HARD choice between two lower end 1-2 oa picks.

Underwhelming year, think im ok with a pick outside the top 5- even 10 and get a solid Dman.

That cold streak Nico went on, coupled with him not being able to drive the team in PO, has changed my mind slightly on him.

But he is not my personal clear #1 like a few months ago.

PS, dont bite my head of, this is just an opinion from a guy who has mostly statwatched these 2 with the wjc and memcup and a few games in their respective leagues being the exception.

He had over a point per game in a 6 game playoff series that shouldn't have even lasted that long. There's nothing wrong with what he did in the playoffs.
 

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He had over a point per game in a 6 game playoff series that shouldn't have even lasted that long. There's nothing wrong with what he did in the playoffs.

I just heard a few people mention he was hardly the driver in those 6 games. But like I said I didnt watch alot of it.

Ive seen Halifax do well in the PO when they werent supposed to before with players driving the game completely. (Ehlers sophmore moose season)

We are talking a potential 1oa here, not just some random top 10 Pick.

And for a poemtial 1oa, he has left me a little underwhelmed.
 

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I just heard a few people mention he was hardly the driver in those 6 games. But like I said I didnt watch alot of it.

Ive seen Halifax do well in the PO when they werent supposed to before with players driving the game completely. (Ehlers sophmore moose season)

We are talking a potential 1oa here, not just some random top 10 Pick.

And for a poemtial 1oa, he has left me a little underwhelmed.

Cant compare Ehlers sophomore season to Hischier's rookie year.. I think his production was just fine. Nothing out standing, nothing terrible.

There are a lot of top picks who didnt have great playoffs. Reinhart in his draft plus 1 season only had 9 points in 7 games.

Leon Draisaitl had only 7 points in 8 total games with the Raiders in his time there. Only 3 points in 4 playoff games in his draft year.

Sam Bennett had 9 points in 7 games and was challenging for first overall.

Dylan Strome 22 points in 20 games on a stacked team.

Pierre Luc Dubois had 12 points in 12 games.

Looks normal to me... sure he didnt put up Marner, Kane , Mcdavid type of playoffs but we know this isnt that kind of draft. Pre draft wise, hes in the same tier as those players above which is exactly what this draft is. In a regular year with a Matthews/Mcdavid type talents Hischier would go in the 3-5 range. You cant just be like im concerned hes not a first overall player when its a weak draft. He didnt choose this draft to be weak. Who's better though? You got Patrick and thats debatable, no one else is better than him.
 
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He'll play at the U18 but I'm not sure if Fischer will select him for the WC. I'd love to see him in Paris though.

Can you enlighten me what-kind player Hischier is and what's his strengths and weaknesses
I'm not seen him playing because Finnish sport channels won't show CHL ( Canadian CHL) hockey in Finland.

Is Hischier as good as Nino Niederraiter and Kevin Fiala or is he even better than those two.
 

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Can you enlighten me what-kind player Hischier is and what's his strengths and weaknesses
I'm not seen him playing because Finnish sport channels won't show CHL ( Canadian CHL) hockey in Finland.

Is Hischier as good as Nino Niederraiter and Kevin Fiala or is he even better than those two.

People usually compare him to Zetterberg which I think is actually pretty fair both stylistically and for talent. He's a smart player that's responsible defensively, is dedicated to proper positioning and doesn't sneak away from his responsibilities for breakaways. He uses his body well to carry the puck but has flashy skills to beat guys if he needs to. His shot is good and he finds his teammates with good passing. Right now he's too light for the NHL but besides that he's ready in every facet of his game.

Obviously we don't know how good Hischier is going to be (or Fiala for that matter) but I'd expect him to be better than both of those guys. He'll be a top 6 C in the NHL and probably will play on the first line.
 

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People usually compare him to Zetterberg which I think is actually pretty fair both stylistically and for talent. He's a smart player that's responsible defensively, is dedicated to proper positioning and doesn't sneak away from his responsibilities for breakaways. He uses his body well to carry the puck but has flashy skills to beat guys if he needs to. His shot is good and he finds his teammates with good passing. Right now he's too light for the NHL but besides that he's ready in every facet of his game.

Obviously we don't know how good Hischier is going to be (or Fiala for that matter) but I'd expect him to be better than both of those guys. He'll be a top 6 C in the NHL and probably will play on the first line.

Thanks for that.
Finland's next U18 WJC game is vs Switzerland Saturday afternoon.

I'll watch that game and keep Hischier eye on.
Hopefully Finland's defence can shut him down. Haha
 

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People usually compare him to Zetterberg which I think is actually pretty fair both stylistically and for talent. He's a smart player that's responsible defensively, is dedicated to proper positioning and doesn't sneak away from his responsibilities for breakaways. He uses his body well to carry the puck but has flashy skills to beat guys if he needs to. His shot is good and he finds his teammates with good passing. Right now he's too light for the NHL but besides that he's ready in every facet of his game.

Obviously we don't know how good Hischier is going to be (or Fiala for that matter) but I'd expect him to be better than both of those guys. He'll be a top 6 C in the NHL and probably will play on the first line.
I can see some similarities to Henrik Zetterberg in the way that they protect the puck and make creative plays, but they are also not very similar in many ways.

Hischier is a far more explosive skater, and he relies on his skating more than his hands. In fact, I would say that he handles the puck a little bit loosely at this moment and uses his skates to keep control of the puck. He needs to refine his stick handling abilities -- if he does so, he will become a dangerous threat any time he has the puck. At the moment, I would say that he won't often deke around players with his hands alone, but instead pushes the puck around the opposition and explodes past them with his body to retain possession.

If one compares his game in January to his game in March, they can see some significant differences. He was far more assertive with the puck on his stick in January, and he moved better. If fatigue is a factor, then one simply has to refer to his performances in January for a sense of the type of game he can play.

There were games when he did something every time he had the puck; for example, in the January 15, 2017 game against Victoriaville, he carried the puck out of his own with speed and set up the offensive zone entry at least a half-dozen times. He had all sorts of chances to score, and notched two goals. In his first game back from the 2017 World Juniors against the Wildcats on January 6, 2017, he dominated possession in the offensive zone and all game was skating around players, beating players to the puck, and taking pucks away with his quick bursts.

He has had several games where he has played at that level. Without question, a major element of his game is his skating ability; it allows him to create offense out of nothing and pressure his opponents aggressively; he uses his speed to create space between himself and the opponent when he has the puck, and to close the distance on them when they have it. If he could tighten up his puck-handling, he would be an even greater threat.

Hischier has been compared to many different players, and some are less precise than others: Andre Tourigny likens him to Zetterberg, John Moore and Ben Kerr (of Last Word on Sports) have compared him to Pavel Datsyuk -- Moore also compares him to Joe Sakic --, Steve Kournianos has compared him to a young Steve Yzerman, while Craig Button originally compared him to Sam Reinhart but has revised his comparison to Zetterberg. In their preseason preview of the 2017 NHL Draft, The Hockey Writers compared him to Sidney Crosby. Swiss scout Dennis Schellenberg, meanwhile, coined the nickname "Swiss Connor McDavid."

I compare him to a young Pavel Bure. While not entirely the same -- particularly with regards to Hischier's very disciplined defensive game -- they are similar in terms of their means of generating offense, their fearlessness, explosive and agile skating ability, tenacity, and grit, their breakout control, zone entry, and quarterbacking ability, as well as many of their other tendencies. They both play powerful games. At their best, they are all over the offensive zone making plays, supporting the puck, and drawing the opposition to them to open up lanes; they also know when to lurk and sneak around to surprise unsuspecting opponents. They also often start at the right point on the powerplay but like to move around the offensive zone. Hischier doesn't generate nearly as many breakaways as a result of generally playing lower in his own zone at even strength, currently not having as much strength to drive to the net and gain body position on the defender, and perhaps less of an aggressive instinct to charge up the ice as early; his Mooseheads teammates also tend to rely on him to start the breakout, and rarely spot him with a crisp stretch pass whenever he charges up the ice to lead the rush -- he does have the occasional breakaway, but there are also many missed opportunities when he ends up circling back as a result of a sloppy breakout. I see more breakaways taking place at the NHL level, as his teammates will be skilled enough to give him a perfect pass whenever he leads the transition. Hischier doesn't handle the puck quite as tightly as Bure did, and his shot doesn't have the same level of power, but there are many similarities in the ways that they generate offense.

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If his name was Nikolai Khishiev, it would be the natural comparison based on nationality. Ironically, Bure's family is of Swiss origin.
 
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Young Zetterberg was flying. Lost a step in his skating after he put on weight.

Don't see much Bure in Hischiers game at all. Think he will turn out to be more of a two way playmaking center at the next level.
 

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Young Zetterberg was flying. Lost a step in his skating after he put on weight.

Don't see much Bure in Hischiers game at all.
I'll be doing a Hischier scouting package soon.

I will also say that I am not referring to the Bure of Florida, who one might consider to be a different player altogether -- Bure himself acknowledged in 2002 that he knew he could change his style of play to suit a different personal objective. His style of play was as different between the Florida and New York eras as it was between his time in Florida and Vancouver.

Alexander Ovechkin, likewise, is a totally different player now than he was at the start of his career.

I would encourage you to take a look at Bure in his first three seasons, which is the basis of my style comparison.



Bure was more team-oriented in Vancouver and New York than he was in Florida. His first three years in Vancouver remain my favorite iteration of this player.
Defence grounds Bure: Trottier's system keeps Russian Rocket from breakaway launch pad: [Final Edition]
Gallagher, Tony. The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 17 Nov 2002: A83.

...

These are all good observations. But when you ask Bure how many breakaways he's had this season in the 16 games he'd played before last night, he responded instantly right off the top of his head.

"One."

...

While Lindros didn't want to say too much about what's being asked of him and Pavel, Bure says he's all right with it.

"I have no more individual goals," he says. "All I care is the team wins. I've scored five times 50 goals and I don't need any of that stuff any more. Look at the way Detroit did it last year with all those great players all getting 25 or 30 goals. And Dallas this year. And we're seeing all the checking lines too. Maybe if we're getting all the attention, maybe Petr's (Nedved) line is going to do it. It doesn't matter if I do it. And if I get seven goals in the next five games, maybe nobody will be talking about it any more."

"From Al Arbour and Scotty Bowman and Badger Bob Johnson and all the successful coaches I've been with over the years, that's the way they've had success," says Trottier. "It's not a new turn of the coaching wheel or anything. If you pay attention to defence with fortitude and care, things will eventually happen for you offensively."

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PAV DOES WHAT HE DOES BEST
BYLINE: LARRY BROOKS
The New York Post
December 2, 2002, Monday
SECTION: All Editions; Pg. 062

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Which explains why after a 4-3 victory in which he scored twice, Pavel Bure not only insisted that there's a choice to be made between scoring 50 and winning games, but that he chooses the latter.

"I didn't come here to score, I came here to be part of a team and to win," the Russian Rocket said after he and Ronald Petrovicky scored 18 seconds apart within the final 2:38 to lift the Blueshirts to a morale-boosting win over the Lightning at the Garden yesterday afternoon. "If you want to score 50 goals now, you have to play a different game, you have to hang out at the red line and take chances, but if you want to stay within the system and play defensively, you have to stay more in the [defensive-zone] slot.


"It depends which direction you want to go: Do you want to score 50 goals and lose some games or score 20 and win some games? My direction is to win the game, not to score. You can't do both. You can't score a lot of goals and play great defensively."

Again, the last thing Bure needs now is to become a focal point of controversy after finally getting to New York after so many years of coveting that home address. Been there, done that. You will never ever hear Bure second-guessing Bryan Trottier; never, ever hear him complain.

This, of course, does not verify Bure's claim that a 50-goal season and Ranger success are mutually-exclusive propositions. Indeed, the chances are slightly overwhelming that if Bure doesn't get close to that number, the Rangers won't make the playoffs. Players have roles. Within a structure, Bure's role is to score goals.

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"I told Pavel that when we get the puck in the defensive zone, he should go," Nedved said. "I told him I'd look for him."

Getting significantly less ice than he has traditionally been awarded, Bure nevertheless leads the Rangers with 11 goals, just four off the NHL lead.

"It's important for us to put Pav in a position to score big goals because that's what he does best," said Messier, who was strong yesterday. "He doesn't play a conventional game, he isn't predictable . . . and you have to play off of that.

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Bure's game was about far more than breakaways. It was about lurking, puck support, anticipation, intelligent change of speed, grit, the determination to drive through traffic, and creativity. He was shifty along the boards and shook off defenders with his explosive first steps and balance.
Riddle of the Russian Rocket said:
Renney immediately slotted Bure on Messier's wing. The former Ranger admitted he was impressed. "There's not anybody more skilled in the game. Pavel is just lightning-quick and an unbelievable passer."
The 'Roadrunner' impressed by Bure: [1* Edition]
Scott, Bob. The Province [Vancouver, B.C] 19 Mar 1992: B2.

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"I've seen Bure play twice, including that 3-0 Vancouver win at the Forum," continued Cournoyer, "and I'm really impressed. He's intelligent . . . he's a playmaker. He doesn't think of himself.

"And, of course, he's proven that he's a goal scorer. He can play . . . he should do well in the league."

The Roadrunner (he earned the nickname from Sports Illustrated after he had "two or three break-aways" in a game in New York) loves to see speedy players such as Bure and Montreal's Russ Courtnall on the ice.

"They add an extra dimension to the game - everybody and everything seems that much faster when they're on the ice."

Cournoyer, in Vancouver to promote a booklet on hockey cards available through Sunlight soap, obviously feels the left-handed shot on right wing is an advantage.

"Being left-handed is tougher in your own zone," said Cournoyer, "but once you get over the blue line, it's easier, more natural."

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Bure the playmaker riddles Jets: [2* Edition]
MacINTYRE, IAIN. The Vancouver Sun [Vancouver, B.C] 15 Jan 1992: D9.

WINNIPEG - He shoots, he misses. Pavel Bure still can't score. And if he keeps passing the way he did Tuesday night, people will forget he's supposed to.

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"I told him (before the game) to try my job as playmaker, to make passes," Larionov said. "He did an excellent job tonight. He had been a little frustrated the last few games because he couldn't score. I tried to tell him to relax. It will come. He's got back his confidence."

This bodes ill for the Edmonton Oilers, who play the Canucks tonight as Vancouver ends a two-game road trip.

Bure drew an assist on Larionov's winning goal with 7:39 remaining, then spun some magic on Greg Adams' second goal of the night that clinched it 59 seconds later.

Adams beat Winnipeg goalie Bob Essensa from the slot after Bure led Jet defenders Mario Marois and Troy Murray on a wild chase around the Winnipeg end.

"I didn't know where to go," Adams said, his seven-game goal-less drought behind him. "It was like peewee hockey with Pavel carrying the puck and those guys chasing him. Everyone was focused on him."

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Bure in his first three NHL seasons -- young Pavel Bure, if you will -- is the player I compare Hischier to.
And this year's winners are . . . The Star's Bob McKenzie's Best of Everything Coaches' Poll results: [SA2 Edition]
McKenzie, Bob. Toronto Star [Toronto, Ont] 13 Feb 1993: D4.

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Eight coaches chose Bure, while four opted for New York Rangers veteran Mike Gartner, who won the fastest skater title at the all- star skills competition.

"Bure has the best combination of speed, agility and balance," one NHL coach said. "He can also use change of speed better than anybody in the league right now."

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When one considers that Bure was 150 lbs when he was drafted, 176 lbs when he arrived in Vancouver at the age of 20 and even stronger by the age of 23, it's realistic to think that Hischier, currently 177 lbs, will become stronger than he currently is by the time he enters his twenties.

Bure's positioning and active movement around the offensive zone warranted Mike Keenan trying him at center in 1997. Similarly, Joel Quenneville tried Patrick Kane at center a few years ago.
 
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I've seen comparisons to Bure, Zetterberg, and a whole host of others and never really quite got it. Hischier is a kind of tough guy to find a comp for, but he's always reminded me of someone and i just couldn't quite place it. Finally, a while ago it clicked for me. It's kind of a weird one, but...

He reminds me a ton of Simon Gagne.

Obviously projects as a Center, but i see a lot of similarities there. Similar size projection, same sort of attacking mentality, that same sort of ability to use sudden gear changes up or down to create opportunities. Same sort of feel for finding goal-scoring areas at the right time as a shooter, while being able to balance that with ability to patiently find seams as a passer. Similar sort of smart efficient defensive game and not afraid to engage physically but not exactly an imposing player.

And frankly, just visually/stylistically reminds me a lot of Gagne watching him play. I think it's probably a pretty fair realistic "upside" comparison too - Kind of understated Top-30 sort of scorer in his prime if things really pan out well. :dunno:
 

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I can see some similarities to Henrik Zetterberg in the way that they protect the puck and make creative plays, but they are also not very similar in many ways.

Hischier is a far more explosive skater, and he relies on his skating more than his hands. In fact, I would say that he handles the puck a little bit loosely at this moment and uses his skates to keep control of the puck. He needs to refine his stick handling abilities -- if he does so, he will become a dangerous threat any time he has the puck. At the moment, I would say that he won't often deke around players with his hands alone, but instead pushes the puck around the opposition and explodes past them with his body to retain possession.

Yeah the Zetterberg comparison is moreso to a younger Z. His skating used to be much better and their games were more similar then. Now Z has gotten heavy and relies very heavily on his body to shield the puck as he navigates the offensive zone. He used to beat guys much the same way you're describing Hischier beating them. He'd use his hands to position the puck wisely as he skated around guys and leaned into them to shield the puck. Hischier does that same bit. Beyond that he just seems to see the ice and think the game very similarly to Z.

I understand the Bure comparison but I still think Z is a better one. Bure's game relied so heavily on being a truly elite skater which while Hischier is fast, his speed is less central to his play. Furthermore I don't think he'll be the fastest player in the league the way Bure was. Regardless to each his own and the original question has gotten more than he bargained for haha.
 

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I've seen comparisons to Bure, Zetterberg, and a whole host of others and never really quite got it. Hischier is a kind of tough guy to find a comp for, but he's always reminded me of someone and i just couldn't quite place it. Finally, a while ago it clicked for me. It's kind of a weird one, but...

He reminds me a ton of Simon Gagne.

Obviously projects as a Center, but i see a lot of similarities there. Similar size projection, same sort of attacking mentality, that same sort of ability to use sudden gear changes up or down to create opportunities. Same sort of feel for finding goal-scoring areas at the right time as a shooter, while being able to balance that with ability to patiently find seams as a passer. Similar sort of smart efficient defensive game and not afraid to engage physically but not exactly an imposing player.

And frankly, just visually/stylistically reminds me a lot of Gagne watching him play. I think it's probably a pretty fair realistic "upside" comparison too - Kind of understated Top-30 sort of scorer in his prime if things really pan out well. :dunno:

I could see that. Of current NHL'ers, visually/stylistically he reminds me of Matt Duchene.
 

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Ya journalists in Switzerland say he's the best player coming out of the country, much better than El Nino. I personally think he's a different player; he has more hockey sense than El Nino and he's less physical, but then again, I've only seen him play when I was in Montreal for the WJC. And now I expect him to tear it up at the U18.
 

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I can see some similarities to Henrik Zetterberg in the way that they protect the puck and make creative plays, but they are also not very similar in many ways.

Hischier is a far more explosive skater, and he relies on his skating more than his hands. In fact, I would say that he handles the puck a little bit loosely at this moment and uses his skates to keep control of the puck. He needs to refine his stick handling abilities -- if he does so, he will become a dangerous threat any time he has the puck. At the moment, I would say that he won't often deke around players with his hands alone, but instead pushes the puck around the opposition and explodes past them with his body to retain possession.

If one compares his game in January to his game in March, they can see some significant differences. He was far more assertive with the puck on his stick in January, and he moved better. If fatigue is a factor, then one simply has to refer to his performances in January for a sense of the type of game he can play.

There were games when he did something every time he had the puck; for example, in the January 15, 2017 game against Victoriaville, he carried the puck out of his own with speed and set up the offensive zone entry at least a half-dozen times. He had all sorts of chances to score, and notched two goals. In his first game back from the 2017 World Juniors against the Wildcats on January 6, 2017, he dominated possession in the offensive zone and all game was skating around players, beating players to the puck, and taking pucks away with his quick bursts.

He has had several games where he has played at that level. Without question, a major element of his game is his skating ability; it allows him to create offense out of nothing and pressure his opponents aggressively; he uses his speed to create space between himself and the opponent when he has the puck, and to close the distance on them when they have it. If he could tighten up his puck-handling, he would be an even greater threat.

Hischier has been compared to many different players, and some are less precise than others: Andre Tourigny likens him to Zetterberg, John Moore and Ben Kerr (of Last Word on Sports) have compared him to Pavel Datsyuk -- Moore also compares him to Joe Sakic --, Steve Kournianos has compared him to a young Steve Yzerman, while Craig Button originally compared him to Sam Reinhart but has revised his comparison to Zetterberg. In their preseason preview of the 2017 NHL Draft, The Hockey Writers compared him to Sidney Crosby. Swiss scout Dennis Schellenberg, meanwhile, coined the nickname "Swiss Connor McDavid."

I compare him to a young Pavel Bure. While not entirely the same -- particularly with regards to Hischier's very disciplined defensive game -- they are similar in terms of their means of generating offense, their fearlessness, explosive and agile skating ability, tenacity, and grit, their breakout control, zone entry, and quarterbacking ability, as well as many of their other tendencies. They both play powerful games. At their best, they are all over the offensive zone making plays, supporting the puck, and drawing the opposition to them to open up lanes; they also know when to lurk and sneak around to surprise unsuspecting opponents. They also often start at the right point on the powerplay but like to move around the offensive zone. Hischier doesn't generate nearly as many breakaways as a result of generally playing lower in his own zone at even strength, currently not having as much strength to drive to the net and gain body position on the defender, and perhaps less of an aggressive instinct to charge up the ice as early; his Mooseheads teammates also tend to rely on him to start the breakout, and rarely spot him with a crisp stretch pass whenever he charges up the ice to lead the rush -- he does have the occasional breakaway, but there are also many missed opportunities when he ends up circling back as a result of a sloppy breakout. I see more breakaways taking place at the NHL level, as his teammates will be skilled enough to give him a perfect pass whenever he leads the transition. Hischier doesn't handle the puck quite as tightly as Bure did, and his shot doesn't have the same level of power, but there are many similarities in the ways that they generate offense.


If his name was Nikolai Khishiev, it would be the natural comparison based on nationality. Ironically, Bure's family is of Swiss origin.



You're not going to let it go are you:laugh::laugh::laugh: wow.....:shakehead
 

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Hischier will just be like "f**k the NLA and the QMJHL, I'm going straight to the NHL" with beast play in the preseason.

That's my prediction. :laugh:
 

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When one considers that Bure was 150 lbs when he was drafted, 176 lbs when he arrived in Vancouver at the age of 20 and even stronger by the age of 23, it's realistic to think that Hischier, currently 177 lbs, will become stronger than he currently is by the time he enters his twenties.

Teenage boys turning into grown men usually means there is an increase in size/strength...but what in the world does does Bure's individual size/strength gains have to do with Hischier?
 

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Not a big fan of the Bure Comparison.

You can't compare Bure to anyone in today's game except McDavid who can also stick handle at warp speed and not lose his stride.


But did anyone watch the U18's today with him in the game????
 
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