How does Marner compare to Bracco?
Both similarly sized but never really hear anyone mention size when talking about Marner.
Both similarly sized but never really hear anyone mention size when talking about Marner.
C Mitchell Marner - London Knights, OHL (2015 Draft)
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DrJenniferHanson
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I agree with your groupings. I'd tweak moving up Strome to the Marner/Konecny/Zacha group, but that's it. I like all four and would've taken each 3rd-5th if they were available in the '14 draft.
Will be fun watching the 4-horse race of Marner/Konecny/Zacha/Strome with Crouse right on their heels this year (I'm only including forwards).
DrJenniferHanson
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Marner's grown a lot in the past year. He's now 5'11" 165 and his brother's 6'2". Before Marner's growth spurt, I agree they were similar undersized prospects predicated on hockey IQ and compete level.
I wouldn't put Marner ahead of Konecny and Strome from my viewings. I haven't watched Andersson and Zacha but everything I've read about them combined with rankings indicate they're just as good if not better than Marner.
Looking forward to watching them next year. Marner has been good though. I was impressed at the Ivan Hlinka camp.
You are a Konecny homer. Nothing wrong with that TK is an awesome player. But when anyone has a different opinion you get defensive as per the Sprong vs TK debate in another forum. You seem to love using bloggers rankings as gospel. I prefer stats.
Bottom line when TK and MM played on same team against same talent MM has outscored him.
U17s last year, U18s this year. Then in Calgary when they went head to head MM 5 pts TK 2 pts. I think many players in this age group are almost equal and on given day where one may be slightly better. A lot will change in the next year. Kids that keep developing both intellectually and physically will see some shuffling. At this time the 3-20 spots are still wide open.
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From the first pre-season game I saw from him in London last year, you could tell he was going to be a special player. His vision, playmaking and skating are all outstanding. He can stop on a dime and make a play to anyone on the ice. His decision making is also quite strong, considering his age. And to top it off, he's a good defensive player that works hard to get back on the backcheck and hound players.
He'll be a top-7 pick by the end of the year. The only reason he won't go higher is because this draft is insane.
He'll be a top-7 pick by the end of the year. The only reason he won't go higher is because this draft is insane.
You are a Konecny homer. Nothing wrong with that TK is an awesome player. But when anyone has a different opinion you get defensive as per the Sprong vs TK debate in another forum. You seem to love using bloggers rankings as gospel. I prefer stats.
Bottom line when TK and MM played on same team against same talent MM has outscored him.
U17s last year, U18s this year. Then in Calgary when they went head to head MM 5 pts TK 2 pts. I think many players in this age group are almost equal and on given day where one may be slightly better. A lot will change in the next year. Kids that keep developing both intellectually and physically will see some shuffling. At this time the 3-20 spots are still wide open.
I used the rankings because the other poster said that most rankings had sprong ahead of Konecny. Which was clearly wrong. I don't mind having a player above another, it's all opinion. My pet peeve is when people literally make stuff up to prove their point. Notice how I have a strong opinion on Konecny, it's because he's he prospect I've seen the most and he I can actually judge accurately.
The problem with using straight up stats like points as you're doing is that it ignores context. Konecny played on a shockingly bad 67's team and still put up great numbers versus Marner who played on a stronger knights team and played with better players like Tierney and Rupert, yet produced less. Taking U18 and U17 is faulty because it I a tiny sample size.
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Just found some extended video on youtube of Barzal, Konecny and Marner.
They all look incredible.
But they also look shockingly similar. Very similar size and playing style I found. They all appear to have magic hands, have high IQ and all seem to have that highlight reel toe drag going on as well. I can't see any of them not becoming at least a point a game number 1 center in the NHL.
As a Winnipeg Jets fan I would be over the moon if I had one of these guys setting up Nick Ehlers on one line while Scheifle feeds Kane on another. That's an elite group of young forwards.
These are just youtube videos a bad way to scout and I will only see Barzal play this year.
But for the sake of perspective, these guys have very little between them and it shows what a draft this is going to be, its over the top incredible..
They all look incredible.
But they also look shockingly similar. Very similar size and playing style I found. They all appear to have magic hands, have high IQ and all seem to have that highlight reel toe drag going on as well. I can't see any of them not becoming at least a point a game number 1 center in the NHL.
As a Winnipeg Jets fan I would be over the moon if I had one of these guys setting up Nick Ehlers on one line while Scheifle feeds Kane on another. That's an elite group of young forwards.
These are just youtube videos a bad way to scout and I will only see Barzal play this year.
But for the sake of perspective, these guys have very little between them and it shows what a draft this is going to be, its over the top incredible..
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Konecny also had more playing time than Marner, so playing on a bad team may be an advantage. Marner was sometimes buried in the bottom 6 with Yakimowicz or McCarron.
I distinctly remembered Marner's production dropping when he was playing on the fourth line.
DrJenniferHanson
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Marner played with Tierney (& Domi) for a stretch in the first half in which he produced at a PPG+ clip, but never on any consistent basis with the Ruperts.
In the second half, Marner played the vast majority with Yakimowicz (STL, 6th) and MacDonald. When Bell/Austin were out at the end and Welychka moved to D, Marner played that stretch with Smith and McCarron.
My mistake. Whenever I watched London (wasn't much because I hate them) he would play with Rupert and Tierney. Guess not.
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McKeen's spotlight on Marner: http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft-blog/youngblood-mitch-marner-ready-spotlight/
Starting to heat up lately. 9 points in the 3 games and scored a hatty yesterday. He has been Knights best player the past 4 games.
It was only a matter of time. My prediction is that he will end up a Bruin come draft day.
It was only a matter of time. My prediction is that he will end up a Bruin come draft day.
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Very similar skill-set's. Next to McDavid, their hockey IQ's are probably the best of the upcoming draft prospects.
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Could Knights fans compare Marner in his draft year to Sam Gagner? Is he a better player at age 17?
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I would say overall Marner is better. In hindsight you can say Sam Gagner was a product of Pat Kane. Marner drives the play even when Domi is on the ice with him on the PP.
My feeling for a long time is that Marner isn't #1C material, more of a #2. Always felt he was a bit of a product of the London hype. But if that production keeps up and he keeps growing then it might be time to adjust expectations.
Way better than Gagner, its not even funny. He doesn't even remotely have a talent like Kane to play beside him.
I truly think this guy could be a #1 C in the NHL, his hockey IQ is at near top of this draft class outside of McDavid.
I truly think this guy could be a #1 C in the NHL, his hockey IQ is at near top of this draft class outside of McDavid.
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Similar in terms of playmaking/vision, but Marner's a much better skater with a much stronger two-way game.
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