Probably more than that, it wouldn't immediately effect the CHL but it would slowly erode it. Off the top of my head it'd be Marner, Strome, Crouse, Dal Colle, Zacha, Perlini and Ho-Sang on top of the players in the NHL Ekblad, Bennett, McDavid, Fabbri, and McCann. That is a hell of a lot of talent taken out of the league and this is to solve something that isn't a major problem.
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I agree. It's not a big problem at all. I also think that people have a tendency to ignore obvious areas their favoured prospect could continue to work on. For players who aren't ready for the NHL, I don't think they are hindered by an extra eight months in junior.
1. They wouldn't all make the AHL. Zacha, Perlini and Ho-sang are all definetly CHL calibur players.
2. You can't use current NHL players as examples. Their gone either way. Unless you want to change the rules so that they can't play in the NHL till their 20??...lol.
3. Sorry for not mentioning, but I'm operating on the premises of NHL teams being able to assign one junior player to a AHL team every two years... So you have at most 15 players gone.(5 per league) that's still not going to hurt 16 and 17 year olds development. That's like 1 player per 4 teams lol. Not a big deal...
Except who knows if these guys are in the show, the exemption probably gets used on at least McCann and Fabbri, possibly also Bennett. There is also no way Jersey doesn't use it on Zacha, and i'd think more prospects will be damaged by being rushed up a level than hurt by staying in the CHL an extra year.
Valid first point. Some of them would have gone to the AHL.
Disagree on zacha. He only played half a season last year and was less than PPG. He was in the OHL this year either way.
I still don't see how it hurts anyone except for the CHLs money.
16 and 17 year olds would not be hurt by having 5 overage players gone.
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Fully agree. Hell even if there are 30 CHL eligibles playing AHL if they were allowed (avg 1 per NHL team) that will not affect the development of the 16 and 17 year olds BUT in certain cases could affect the 18/19 year old greatly. Also note guys like Milano have AHL/CHL full mobility so no set # of games triggers anything, instead teams can move them up or down as they see fit during the season, which I assume would be the case if the CHL rule were rescinded. this would ensure that whoever plays in the AHL is "ready" to play in the AHL as an unencumbered demotion to CHL is available throughout the whole season. It is crazy to hold back the development of talented 18/19 year olds and prevent them from playing in the AHL if the NHL teams deem them ready for that level.
Marner is a good example as many put him on par with W. Nylander. as a prospect It would be crazy if Nylander were forced to be in the CHL (if drafted out of the CHL) this year given his AHL performance. If Marner not ready for the NHL next year, get ready for everyone to complain about the CHL rule.
Skilled small players in particular - like Marner and Garland - would benefit greatly by playing in the AHL while still CHL eligible. Gaurdreau learned in the NCAA how to play against bigger, older, more structured teams/systems and after a 5 game initial stumble, he was ready for the NHL game. Marner and Garland will have to overhaul their game to a much greater extent than Gaudreau did to make the leap to the NHL.
The CHL should man up and let NHL teams do as they like with their drafted players. The CHL would not fold as the doomsday crowd suggests. The USHL does fine and loses many 18/19 year olds annually to the NCAA. I am sure the is what NHL teams would prefer for the CHL going forward.
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It's the primary developmental league for the NHL.
If the NHL wants to continue to see a constant influx of talent they have a vested interest in a string CHL.
The AHL is the primary developmental league for the NHL. Not the CHL. Talent will find its way to the NHL, with or without the CHL.
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Considering the millions of dollars it pays the CHL in development fees I'm sure it does care.
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Marner scored 4 goals in 5 games. Aho and Puljujärvi both scored 5 goals in 7 games. Laine scroed 7 goals in 7 games. It's not like he didn't score. The Finns numbers look great but it definitely helps when the rest of the team is scoring and you have a balanced attack.
Is it Marner's fault he didn't end up with more assists or play more games in the tournament? or is it the inability of the rest of the team and their not being able to finish when he makes a play. Canada never really had much going outside of Strome and Marner. Granted Marner started the tournament a bit slow, but he played his best hockey against the best teams, and produced points when it mattered.
Is it Marner's fault he didn't end up with more assists or play more games in the tournament? or is it the inability of the rest of the team and their not being able to finish when he makes a play. Canada never really had much going outside of Strome and Marner. Granted Marner started the tournament a bit slow, but he played his best hockey against the best teams, and produced points when it mattered.
I wasn't very impressed with Marner at the WJC. He scored some goals but there's no question that Strome was the guy who ran the offence. I haven't seen enough of Marner in junior to comment, but I thought he had a pretty underwhelming tournament. To be fair, he wasn't the only one but he was one of the guys I thought would be a leader.
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Honestly? Strome was excellent, but I also thought what the team lacked were more gamebreakers like Marner. When the harder games got underway (Sweden, Us 3rd period, Fins) he was often one of only two that got things going. (Other being konecny) The entire team defenitily underperformed but if you think strome was the leader, I would argue marner was as well.
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He shined in the third period of the quarter finals, but that was about it I thought. Of what I have seen he looks every bit that super skilled junior player whose skills might not translate to the NHL.
That said, he looks like he has that extra bit of intelligence which might help him make it, and I would figure this is what the scouts pick up on more than someone like myself.
(note - I am a Leafs fan.)
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Thank God he's only 18 and you know....can work out and get bigger ya know...not like he's going to be this small forever LOL
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strome was great, then got worse and worse and worse as tourney went on...the final 2 games considering strome was our 1C, he didnt show up...i thought marner got better and better, and was the best player by the end
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This not an accurate analysis.
Marner was terrible for the first 30 minutes against the Fins...he was falling over every time he touched the puck. He was the best player in the last 30 minutes of that game, so I guess if that's what you mean by "best player by the end".
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I think the PP or more precisely the 2 PP goals Marner scored saved his tournament. Nothing wrong with this since as I am on record as saying Special Teams play a very important in IIHF tournaments. But you are right, up until that point Marner was not doing much. If one looked at the GDT of that game it will indicate this.
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He didn't show his best at the WJC stage, and hasn't looked like his previous world-beater form right now with London.
He will eventually pick it up, and hopefully lead London to a long Memorial Cup run. Will be interesting to see if Hunter plays him at C from here on out
He will eventually pick it up, and hopefully lead London to a long Memorial Cup run. Will be interesting to see if Hunter plays him at C from here on out
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Meh he wasn't "terrible" like the other poster posted in the first 30 against Finland; that's a big hyperbole, but he wasn't good either I agree with. Terrible would be Jake Virtanen that game/tournament, or Perlini in the tournament to name a couple.
Also don't use GDT posts to prove a point, on a site where 13 year olds can post. Thanks.
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I think Marner was a disappointment relative to the expectations that I and many others have of him but I still think he was one of the more dangerous offensive players for Canada most of the tournament.
He's getting a lot of flak because he's a Leaf, but returnee Brayden Point had a much worse tournament and people are willing to give him a pass because of an injury..
He's getting a lot of flak because he's a Leaf, but returnee Brayden Point had a much worse tournament and people are willing to give him a pass because of an injury..
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I would agree with this. I thought I was very fair in my first post in my analysis of Marner after the WJC. Overall I thought he was good, but he was not lights out. I try to stay out of the hyperbole of him being as good as Eichel posts I read earlier in the year. And give him and all prospects a fair evaluation. When he played more simple he was more effective. This was noted by me. When he cut down the ridiculously long shifts he was better. There are things he needs to work on for sure. Strength in not being pushed off the puck the main one. Making high risk passes that won't work in the NHL. The other things can be coached out. To me he will translate well into a skilled scoring winger. The PP ability is a plus. The jury is out can he be a franchise winger since for now it seems he is better on the wing. Leafs tried that once. Building on the Wings. I don't know. Hunter's rep will be made or broken on his faith in Marner. When you are drafting at #4 in a Mc-Eichel draft. You needs a franchise piece. Time will tell.
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