C Michael Rasmussen - Tri-City Americans, WHL (2017, 9th, DET)

[Frk It]

Ken Holland does not make draft picks. Like most (or every) team, this is entirely up to the scouting staff put in place. This is what the purpose of the scouting staff is. If it's a questionable decision, its on the people who are paid to watch these players 10-20 times a season, not Holland who maybe (a hard maybe) has more than one viewing of anyone in the draft aside from the top guys.

He employs the guy who makes the picks though, and makes the decision to keep him on board or not... so not exactly true.

Also Holland got his start as a scout, and the Detroit media talked a lot about how he was putting in much more mileage this year to view the prospects of this draft.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Ken Holland does not make draft picks. Like most (or every) team, this is entirely up to the scouting staff put in place. This is what the purpose of the scouting staff is. If it's a questionable decision, its on the people who are paid to watch these players 10-20 times a season, not Holland who maybe (a hard maybe) has more than one viewing of anyone in the draft aside from the top guys.

This is not actually accurate. Holland plays a very big part in the selection of the 1st round pick. (He doesn't contribute a lot when it comes to other picks.)

 

[Lays]

Most likely to bust out of the top 10 for sure.

Not really. That'd be Mittelstadt, Tippett, or Makar who have bust potential. While Rasmussen isn't a sexy pick, I think he's a pretty safe bet to become what people expect of him (middle sixer with PP time) if people are expecting 1st liner then he'd be a disappointment but still not a bust. I'm fairly confident he will become at least an NHLer

 

[crashnburnluder]

Most likely to bust out of the top 10 for sure.

Everything I have read seems like the exact opposite, he seems the most to reach his potential, just his potential isn't sky high.

 

[jimmyemery]

Most likely to bust out of the top 10 for sure.

Yeahhhh, I don't know about that.

He may have the lowest ceiling of the top 10, but he'll be an nhler. If he doesn't become a 1st line quality c, he'll be called a bust, especially by detroit fans that hate the pick.

If he doesn't become at least a 2nd line c, I'll be disappointed, Even more so if he's moved to wing. But the likelihood he busts completely is definitely lower than mittlestadt.

 

[jimmyemery]

Everything I have read seems like the exact opposite, he seems the most to reach his potential, just his potential isn't sky high.

Yep, most people are actually criticizing the wings for taking the safer pick here. Petersson has a higher ceiling but is wayyyyy more likely to bust, especially if he can't gain weight.

Patrick is a safe pick, but how long will he play if his injuries continue to be a hindrance. He was nearly unanimously tagged as the #1 pick, but dropped to Philly, so he'll probably be in the league next year, but for how long? Mittlestadt stayed in high school, sure he had good numbers in the u18s, and when he played for the gamblers, but you think he'd push himself to play in harder leagues for higher.

Every single player taken in the top ten definitely have a higher ceiling, but he's the safest pick to hit it for an extended period of time.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Yeahhhh, I don't know about that.

He may have the lowest ceiling of the top 10, but he'll be an nhler. If he doesn't become a 1st line quality c, he'll be called a bust, especially by detroit fans that hate the pick.

If he doesn't become at least a 2nd line c, I'll be disappointed, Even more so if he's moved to wing. But the likelihood he busts completely is definitely lower than mittlestadt.

Yep, most people are actually criticizing the wings for taking the safer pick here. Petersson has a higher ceiling but is wayyyyy more likely to bust, especially if he can't gain weight.

Patrick is a safe pick, but how long will he play if his injuries continue to be a hindrance. He was nearly unanimously tagged as the #1 pick, but dropped to Philly, so he'll probably be in the league next year, but for how long? Mittlestadt stayed in high school, sure he had good numbers in the u18s, and when he played for the gamblers, but you think he'd push himself to play in harder leagues for higher.

Every single player taken in the top ten definitely have a higher ceiling, but he's the safest pick to hit it for an extended period of time.

This is a stereotype that not true. Just because a prospect doesn't have a high potential or "ceiling" doesn't make them less likely to bust. Sure that may apply to some prospects, but definitely is not the rule.
Rasmussen is just lacking in skill, speed, IQ, and anything else that would make him a good NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He couldn't even use his size until he was on the powerplay. He's definitely a likely bust.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

This is a stereotype that not true. Just because a prospect doesn't have a high potential or "ceiling" doesn't make them less likely to bust. Sure that may apply to some prospects, but definitely is not the rule.
Rasmussen is just lacking in skill, speed, IQ, and anything else that would make him a good NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He couldn't even use his size until he was on the powerplay. He's definitely a likely bust.

No that's not true

Bust means they fail to reach expectation/hype

Either because the hype/expectation hour out of hand or, they lack the physical tools to make the league altogether.

Rasmussen has one of the higher chances of making the NHL and sticking then most other first rounders

Their is a greater chance makar doesn't become an elite #1 dman or pettersson doesn't become a first line centre then their is that Rasmussen dosent become a third line centre..

 

[Elias Pettersson]

No that's not true

Bust means they fail to reach expectation/hype

Either because the hype/expectation hour out of hand or, they lack the physical tools to make the league altogether.

Rasmussen has one of the higher chances of making the NHL and sticking then most other first rounders

Their is a greater chance makar doesn't become an elite #1 dman or pettersson doesn't become a first line centre then their is that Rasmussen dosent become a third line centre..

Bust labeling has to do with draft position and not only what they're expected to be.
You don't draft for 3rd line centers in the top 10. You draft them in the second round or later.

 

[Tryamkin]

He'll be a 1B two way center, one of the most likely to make the NHL on a regular basis with his mix of size and skill, most people calling for a bust are going with public opinion.

 

[newfy]

This is a stereotype that not true. Just because a prospect doesn't have a high potential or "ceiling" doesn't make them less likely to bust. Sure that may apply to some prospects, but definitely is not the rule.
Rasmussen is just lacking in skill, speed, IQ, and anything else that would make him a good NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He couldn't even use his size until he was on the powerplay. He's definitely a likely bust.

Lacking in skill although he was on pace for 50 goals this year as a draft eligible (look at the other names who have done that the last 20 years), lacking speed even though he finished 5th in the skating drills at the combine and anything else that would make him a good NHL player? If he became a better skating Holmstrom would you call him a bust?

At 9th overall, getting a better skating holmstrom in a weaker draft would be pretty good. 25-30 goal scorer that can play physical and be a PP specialist isnt terrible. I dont think thats all hes limited to but I think hes at the very least gonna be a PP weapon

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Lacking in skill although he was on pace for 50 goals this year as a draft eligible (look at the other names who have done that the last 20 years), lacking speed even though he finished 5th in the skating drills at the combine and anything else that would make him a good NHL player? If he became a better skating Holmstrom would you call him a bust?

At 9th overall, getting a better skating holmstrom in a weaker draft would be pretty good. 25-30 goal scorer that can play physical and be a PP specialist isnt terrible. I dont think thats all hes limited to but I think hes at the very least gonna be a PP weapon

I bet you anything he wont ever score more than 15 goals in the NHL, unless he's playing with a McDavid/Crosby

3rd liner is what I think he will be. 2nd liner if he reaches ceiling. 4th liner if he sucks.

 

[Tatar Shots]

I bet you anything he wont ever score more than 15 goals in the NHL, unless he's playing with a McDavid/Crosby

3rd liner is what I think he will be. 2nd liner if he reaches ceiling. 4th liner if he sucks.

I'd take that bet....

HF has such a negative stigma against big guys. I'm guessing you have never even seen Rasmussen play. You'd bet anything that he will never score 15 goals? I'd bet a large amount that he surpasses 15 in a single season.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

I'd take that bet....

HF has such a negative stigma against big guys. I'm guessing you have never even seen Rasmussen play. You'd bet anything that he will never score 15 goals? I'd bet a large amount that he surpasses 15 in a single season.

I still stand on my stance.

Regardless however, it doesn't really matter if he scores 16 or 14. He's just not someone you should pick with a top 10 pick, especially when there were way better options at the time (Vilardi, Suzuki, Necas, etc.). If you look at the posts in this thread, it has been evident since January that people thought Rasmussen would be a terrible top 10 pick. He's another Virtanen.

 

[CowbellConray]

He plays a perimeter game for a big man on es. Has potential but I have my doubts.

 

[Tatar Shots]

I still stand on my stance.

Regardless however, it doesn't really matter if he scores 16 or 14. He's just not someone you should pick with a top 10 pick, especially when there were way better options at the time (Vilardi, Suzuki, Necas, etc.). If you look at the posts in this thread, it has been evident since January that people thought Rasmussen would be a terrible top 10 pick. He's another Virtanen.

I'm glad you stand on your stance. He literally plays absolutely nothing like Virtanen. Like there are zero similarities. I'm glad it's evident to the HF hive mind that Rasmussen is significantly worse than scouts think

Edit: FWIW I had both Vilardi and Necas above Rasmussen. But everyone is acting like this was a pick out of left field when in reality Rasmussen was projected to go right around where he did

 

[Tryamkin]

I still stand on my stance.

Regardless however, it doesn't really matter if he scores 16 or 14. He's just not someone you should pick with a top 10 pick, especially when there were way better options at the time (Vilardi, Suzuki, Necas, etc.). If you look at the posts in this thread, it has been evident since January that people thought Rasmussen would be a terrible top 10 pick. He's another Virtanen.

Respectfully disagree. He has scoring potential, so he's not just all defense. Virtanen is an awful comparison.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

this thread is very entertaining to read cause a lot of people are saying this and that and comparing him to this guy or that guy and its all very laughable. I can tell who hasn't actually watched him play and are letting comments on here dictate how they should think of him. These comparisons are completely absurd.

People need to either watch him live next year on Tri city or try to watch some games on TV so you can actually have a good feel what type of player he is.

For whatever reason he is this years guy that everyone seems to dislike for no reason what so ever. Cant just hate a player cause of a hunch. He was obviously a very high top prospect for this draft for a reason

 

[Lays]

this thread is very entertaining to read cause a lot of people are saying this and that and comparing him to this guy or that guy and its all very laughable. I can tell who hasn't actually watched him play and are letting comments on here dictate how they should think of him. These comparisons are completely absurd.

People need to either watch him live next year on Tri city or try to watch some games on TV so you can actually have a good feel what type of player he is.

For whatever reason he is this years guy that everyone seems to dislike for no reason what so ever. Cant just hate a player cause of a hunch. He was obviously a very high top prospect for this draft for a reason

This. Everyone thinks he's a low IQ player that is only drafted at #9 because of his size..I don't expect a top sixer but his IQ is actually pretty good. He's a smart player and can play defense. Not top 10 pick worthy but he has potential, I bet 9/10 posters crapping on him have only watched 1-2 highlight videos on YouTube.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

This. Everyone thinks he's a low IQ player that is only drafted at #9 because of his size..I don't expect a top sixer but his IQ is actually pretty good. He's a smart player and can play defense. Not top 10 pick worthy but he has potential, I bet 9/10 posters crapping on him have only watched 1-2 highlight videos on YouTube.

Oh absolutely they have only seen a few clips.. I can tell by the explanations... Ive seen him play a ton since bantam and now into junior and hes such a good player and his NHL potential now is sky high. The kid is massive and can score. I swear he has grown since the last time i saw him in March-ish.

I knew a team would take him in the top 10 and Detroit fans should be estatic. He will be a dominating presence on the ice next season as a 18 year old and will be a man amongst boys as a 19 year old. Its gonna be ridiculous

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Oh absolutely they have only seen a few clips.. I can tell by the explanations... Ive seen him play a ton since bantam and now into junior and hes such a good player and his NHL potential now is sky high. The kid is massive and can score. I swear he has grown since the last time i saw him in March-ish.

I knew a team would take him in the top 10 and Detroit fans should be estatic. He will be a dominating presence on the ice next season as a 18 year old and will be a man amongst boys as a 19 year old. Its gonna be ridiculous

Yes, he will be great. His shooting and great vision combined with strong stride is intriguing. Not to mention he is huge af. I don't honestly get the hate. Where is it based on? Some guy in the Jets' board linked me a twitter post where a "scout" explained why he didn't like Rasmussen. It was basically about prospects from the CHL with similar size and ES production. Well yeah, most of them didn't have any success in the NHL... and most of them were late rounders/non-drafted players. What a comparison to make.

 

[lawrence]

this thread is very entertaining to read cause a lot of people are saying this and that and comparing him to this guy or that guy and its all very laughable. I can tell who hasn't actually watched him play and are letting comments on here dictate how they should think of him. These comparisons are completely absurd.

People need to either watch him live next year on Tri city or try to watch some games on TV so you can actually have a good feel what type of player he is.

For whatever reason he is this years guy that everyone seems to dislike for no reason what so ever. Cant just hate a player cause of a hunch. He was obviously a very high top prospect for this draft for a reason

I think the clones here decide to slam him for his (19 even strength points) and claims he can only produce on the powerplay. He is also a B.C boy so he was compared to Virtanen for some forsaken reason.

He plays a perimeter game

a ton of his goals were in the dirty areas. Utilizing his big body to score those type of goals were small guys like Yakupov stays away from.

Rasmussen would be a terrible top 10 pick. He's another Virtanen.

his puck possession game exceeds Virtanens.

my gosh why do people hate this kid again? The verdict is out, selected by Detroit in the top 10.

 

[Frk It]

Rasmussen is just lacking in skill, speed, IQ, and anything else that would make him a good NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He couldn't even use his size until he was on the powerplay. He's definitely a likely bust.

This certainly wasn't the pick I was hoping for as a Wings fan, and I've said as much.

But if you believe the above to be true, please explain to me how the scouts Mckenzie polled him Rasmussen at #9, and at least one had him as high as #4?

 

[Elias Pettersson]

This certainly wasn't the pick I was hoping for as a Wings fan, and I've said as much.

But if you believe the above to be true, please explain to me how the scouts Mckenzie polled him Rasmussen at #9, and at least one had him as high as #4?

BMac and the scouts had Virtanen top 10 as well and I knew he'd be a bust before he was drafted.
Scouts can be wrong.

Oh well, of course i'm not gonna change the minds of any detroit homers. I'm just offering my opinion. I've said my piece and now I'm out.

I'll check back in a few years and we can play the I've told you so game.

 

[newfy]

I still stand on my stance.

Regardless however, it doesn't really matter if he scores 16 or 14. He's just not someone you should pick with a top 10 pick, especially when there were way better options at the time (Vilardi, Suzuki, Necas, etc.). If you look at the posts in this thread, it has been evident since January that people thought Rasmussen would be a terrible top 10 pick. He's another Virtanen.

I trust actual scouts more than people on HFboards who see his PP scoring and deem him a terrible pick without ever watching him. I don't think there was really a better pick to be had there, everyone better was already gone.

How many times have you seen him play?

BMac and the scouts had Virtanen top 10 as well and I knew he'd be a bust before he was drafted.
Scouts can be wrong.

I'm sure we all believe that you knew Virtanens career was going to just fall completely off the rails... lots of people predicted that he would average 17 goals a season since his draft after that 45 goal draft year