C Michael Rasmussen - Tri-City Americans, WHL (2017, 9th, DET)

[ManUtdTobbe]

Rasmussen is definitely not in my top 20, probably not in my top 31 either, his 5v5 production is just so bad for a guy ranked this high.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Id be estatic if he were to sip to the sens

 

[Petes2424]

His playmaking skills are no where near what they need to be to be looked at as a potential best player in the class. Scouts like big guys who can skate, but it takes more than that and a heavy shot to be the best in a class.

Like intangibles? Like being a responsible player? He has many more traits than simply being big, nice shot and skating well. The entire 5x5 assist issue will be ignored by most teams. If he couldnt create his own space, it would hold merit and they'd be more keen to regard it.

Not saying I'd take him but I'll be shocked if very many teams pass on him.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Intangibles and being resposible won't move you up a depth chart. 5on5 play is huge and I guarantee people won't ignore it.

 

[LastWordArmy]

I've been scouting/keeping up with prospects as a hobby for the past 10 years (online videos is the extent of my scouting, that said a lot of scouts only do video scouting as well) and im more confident in my own scouting abilities than most professional scouts. I personally know several other quality amateur scouts.

heres our habs board mock draft from this year: (i was MTL) http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2351789

(1) 25: Erik Brannstrom (D)
(2) 56: Evan Barratt (C)
(2) 62: Ivan Lodnia (RW)
(3) 87: Kyle Olson (C/W)
(5) 149: Gustav Lindstrom (D)

feel free to compare my selections with our actual selections from this years draft, we can further compare the 2 a few years down the line.

To be fair, what is on the board when the Habs go to the draft table may not be the same as what is on the board when you did.

The NHL has 31 teams of pro scouts doing this. You are going against 30 amateurs.

Brannstrom might be gone by 25, and then we are going to judge what, your pick of Brannstrom vs Montreal's pick of another guy, when they didn't have Brannstrom as an option?

 

[Aceboogie]

Like intangibles? Like being a responsible player? He has many more traits than simply being big, nice shot and skating well. The entire 5x5 assist issue will be ignored by most teams. If he couldnt create his own space, it would hold merit and they'd be more keen to regard it.

Not saying I'd take him but I'll be shocked if very many teams pass on him.

He looks like a worse defensively Fred Gauthier who was able to score some more tap in goals on the PP. Hes a mid 2nd talent hyped almost solely due to size

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Like intangibles? Like being a responsible player? He has many more traits than simply being big, nice shot and skating well. The entire 5x5 assist issue will be ignored by most teams. If he couldnt create his own space, it would hold merit and they'd be more keen to regard it.

Not saying I'd take him but I'll be shocked if very many teams pass on him.

If intangibles meant anything, Toews would be the best player in the world.

 

[TT1]

To be fair, what is on the board when the Habs go to the draft table may not be the same as what is on the board when you did.

The NHL has 31 teams of pro scouts doing this. You are going against 30 amateurs.

Brannstrom might be gone by 25, and then we are going to judge what, your pick of Brannstrom vs Montreal's pick of another guy, when they didn't have Brannstrom as an option?

We can remake another thread come draft day and post our selections depending on who's available at our pick. Could be a neat thread to look back on in a few years (and compare our selections to our scouting staffs).

 

[PG Canuck]

He's most definitely not in my top 20.

 

[boredmale]

I don't get the hate for this guy. I get it the flavor of the month is smaller skilled guys who can skate like the wind but there is still room for 6'4 guys who have the potential to get 30+ goals.

Let's be honest it's hard to find a good power forward and this might be some teams best shot

 

[PG Canuck]

I don't get the hate for this guy. I get it the flavor of the month is smaller skilled guys who can skate like the wind but there is still room for 6'4 guys who have the potential to get 30+ goals.

Let's be honest it's hard to find a good power forward and this might be some teams best shot

He lived off the powerplay, among other things. The flavour of the month isn't small skilled players, it's a pretty even mix now since the NHL is heading towards a style that is more welcoming for players that are undersized.

 

[boredmale]

He lived off the powerplay, among other things. The flavour of the month isn't small skilled players, it's a pretty even mix now since the NHL is heading towards a style that is more welcoming for players that are undersized.

Still doesn't mean their isn't a place in this league for big guys who can score, even if it's on the power play. You generally hear how can I get somebody like Lucic on a cheap contract, well Rasmussen might be your best shot

 

[PG Canuck]

Still doesn't mean their isn't a place in this league for big guys who can score, even if it's on the power play. You generally hear how can I get somebody like Lucic on a cheap contract, well Rasmussen might be your best shot

No one is saying he doesn't have a place in the league. We are saying he's likely not worth going in the upper half of the draft. There are handfuls of players I'd prefer more, but that's just me.

 

[boredmale]

No one is saying he doesn't have a place in the league. We are saying he's likely not worth going in the upper half of the draft. There are handfuls of players I'd prefer more, but that's just me.

While I do get why somebody may not view him top 10(you might want somebody with slightly higher potential), I think it's fairly hard to say he doesn't deserve consideration after that point

 

[simon IC]

The Draft Analysis has Rasmussen going at #20 to the Blues. I would be ecstatic with this! Personally, I don't think he will drop that far.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't get the hate for this guy. I get it the flavor of the month is smaller skilled guys who can skate like the wind but there is still room for 6'4 guys who have the potential to get 30+ goals.

Let's be honest it's hard to find a good power forward and this might be some teams best shot

No one seems to understand supply and demand around here.

The list of 6'2 or bigger forwards with 50 points that weren't drafted 1st round:

Benn
Simmonds
Lucic
Stone
Saad
Lee

The list of 5'11 or smaller forwards with 50 points that weren't drafted 1st round:

Kucherov
Panarin
Pavelski
Zetterberg
Atkinson
Arvidsson
Hoffman
Gaudreau
Zuccarello
Vrbata
Trocheck
Krejci
Sheary
Marchessault

It is a lot easier to find a small top 6 forward outside the 1st round than a big top 6 forward. Every single team needs a 6'6 goal scorer. Can't find one of those outside of the 1st round. That's why Rasmussen will go high, despite his mediocre 5 on 5 production.

 

[boredmale]

It is a lot easier to find a small top 6 forward outside the 1st round than a big top 6 forward. Every single team needs a 6'6 goal scorer. Can't find one of those outside of the 1st round. That's why Rasmussen will go high, despite his mediocre 5 on 5 production.

I hate the idea of drafting based on need more then BPA, but if I am Buffalo the thought of Rasmussen and Eichel on the same line could be scary

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

I like how people constantly bring the relatively low 5v5 production as if the excellent PP production didn't meant anything of any relevance. Getting a good player is nice, but getting a somewhat lesser player, but who strongly specialize in certain attributes is often worth greater value overall to a hockey club imo. You can envision a future without stretching to great length where Rasmussen become the best net presence on PP in the NHL, this has a lot of value to an NHL club, a lot more than a vanilla player that does better on 5v5. Rasmussen will also very rarely lose board battles which is also of great value, plus his size will be a great asset on the PK to block shooting lanes. In the end, Rasmussen might become more of special units specialist and consequently and for good reasons see his 5v5 ice time being limited. I am not even particularly a fan of Rasmussen, but this board doesn't really seem fair to him.

 

[93LEAFS]

I like how people constantly bring the relatively low 5v5 production as if the excellent PP production didn't meant anything of any relevance. Getting a good player is nice, but getting a somewhat lesser player, but who strongly specialize in certain attributes is often worth greater value overall to a hockey club imo. You can envision a future without stretching to great length where Rasmussen become the best net presence on PP in the NHL, this has a lot of value to an NHL club, a lot more than a vanilla player that does better on 5v5. Rasmussen will also very rarely lose board battles which is also of great value, his size will also be a great asset on the PK to block shooting lanes. In the end, Rasmussen might become more of special unit specialist and consequently and for good reasons see his 5v5 ice time being limited.

Generally, if you aren't a good scorer at 5v5 in the CHL, you will have trouble transferring offensive skill at the NHL level to a good enough level to warrant significant powerplay time.

It's a bit similar to the red-flag of defenders who can't break .5 ppg at the CHL level in their draft year. It's not that you are projecting defenders who break it as offensive players, its just that if you can't put up those numbers in junior, it probably means you don't have the offensive skill to be a top 4 defender even in a defensive role.

I'd be fine with the Leafs taking him at 17 at the current time (although there are multiple players I prefer) and maybe people are being too harsh on him. But, the lack of vision will limit him at the powerplay. The best net-front presences on the PP in the league have quality awareness and vision. A solid example of this is Corey Perry.

 

[Whileee]

I think that Rasmussen has been downgraded a bit in the HF Boards echo chamber. Scouts will remember his very promising d-1 performance, along with his performance in other platforms (like the Hlinka). They'll also consider some of his constraints with his wrist injury this past season. The notion that he's another Gauthier or a player of that ilk are quite off-base, in my opinion.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Still doesn't mean their isn't a place in this league for big guys who can score, even if it's on the power play. You generally hear how can I get somebody like Lucic on a cheap contract, well Rasmussen might be your best shot

There is a place for those guys. It's called the third line. A third line PP specialist shouldn't be a first round pick.

Lucic has good puck skills. Because of this he can actually play top6 on a regular basis.

 

[IPreferPi]

Rasmussen's Combine measurements will make him a dark horse contender for a top five pick. Kids a physical beast at 6'5.5" 221 lbs already.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Rasmussen's Combine measurements will make him a dark horse contender for a top five pick. Kids a physical beast at 6'5.5" 221 lbs already.

So was Hugh Jessiman. That said, NHL GMs are still enamored with players of this ilk so he'll go high.

 

[IPreferPi]

So was Hugh Jessiman. That said, NHL GMs are still enamored with players of this ilk so he'll go high.

I just hope Chayka isn't one of them.

 

[BB88]

Rasmussen's Combine measurements will make him a dark horse contender for a top five pick. Kids a physical beast at 6'5.5" 221 lbs already.

That should drop him.