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Aside from every aspect of their games being different, they are actually very similar.
C Michael Rasmussen - Tri-City Americans, WHL (2017, 9th, DET)
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Aside from every aspect of their games being different, they are actually very similar.
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My dad has season tickets in Tri City. I've seen about 20 games this year. Rasmussen is a kid whose game has grown a ton from last year. He's just now starting to use his frame to hit and cause problems for the opposition. Most of his goals are from 5 feet and closer. He's also adapting to other teams using their top pair against him night after night. From what I've heard from billets and parents he's very dedicated and takes care of himself like a pro already. On a side note Valimaki will need to work on playing in his own end. He's VERY offensive minded. I don't understand the narrative that is the opposite from various websites. The Ams have had multiple scouts at every game this year.
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I've always thought he's overrated for this draft but i was pretty shocked when i saw this, much worse then i even expected and i didn't expect that much. How anyone has this guy ranked ahead of for example Elias Pettersson is beyond me.
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Wanted post about this, but you already have done this. Yes, right now 52% of his points it`s a power play production.
What can I say after Top Prospects game and shift-by-shift video:
Strengths:
- wrist shot
- solid skater for his size(more west-east than north-south)
- speed and acceleration is better than i expected
- work ethic - I mean play in dirty areas, especialy around the net
- willing to play in DZ
Under construction
- lack of creativity
- keeps his stick very high, so has problem with acceptance the puck
- stone hands (in every aspects of puck control but shot)
- hockey vision
- troubles with positional game
- need to use his size more often for protect the puck
- seems like he sucks on FO, but I don`t know about stats
So, I don`t see him potential 2C(I even don`t say about 1C). If he improves his defensive play probably can be 3C. But more likely he will be middle six winger. Reminds me more of Brayden Schenn
Considering his lack of hockey IQ must improve his physical game to become hit machine
What can I say after Top Prospects game and shift-by-shift video:
Strengths:
- wrist shot
- solid skater for his size(more west-east than north-south)
- speed and acceleration is better than i expected
- work ethic - I mean play in dirty areas, especialy around the net
- willing to play in DZ
Under construction
- lack of creativity
- keeps his stick very high, so has problem with acceptance the puck
- stone hands (in every aspects of puck control but shot)
- hockey vision
- troubles with positional game
- need to use his size more often for protect the puck
- seems like he sucks on FO, but I don`t know about stats
So, I don`t see him potential 2C(I even don`t say about 1C). If he improves his defensive play probably can be 3C. But more likely he will be middle six winger. Reminds me more of Brayden Schenn
Considering his lack of hockey IQ must improve his physical game to become hit machine
Brooklyndevil
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A few critical statistics to note about Michael Rasmussen this season:
He doesn't score in 5-on-5 situations, and he doesn't score on the road when the other team has home ice advantage.
He has a points-per-game average of 0.77 through 26 away games this season. His points-per-game average in 5-on-5 situations is 0.38 through 50 games this season.
Michael Rasmussen (2016-17):
Home: 19 goals, 35 points in 24 games (1.46 points per game)
Away: 13 goals, 20 points in 26 games (0.77 points per game)
A sub-point per game average on the road is unusual for high-end offensive players.
In 5-on-5 situations, his total is 12 goals, 7 assists, 19 points in 50 games (0.38 points per game at 5-on-5).
He doesn't score in 5-on-5 situations, and he doesn't score on the road when the other team has home ice advantage.
He has a points-per-game average of 0.77 through 26 away games this season. His points-per-game average in 5-on-5 situations is 0.38 through 50 games this season.
Michael Rasmussen (2016-17):
Home: 19 goals, 35 points in 24 games (1.46 points per game)
Away: 13 goals, 20 points in 26 games (0.77 points per game)
A sub-point per game average on the road is unusual for high-end offensive players.
In 5-on-5 situations, his total is 12 goals, 7 assists, 19 points in 50 games (0.38 points per game at 5-on-5).
Seldom does a first-round talent with a high-end offensive projection produce at less than a rate of 1.0 points per game on the road.
He trails significantly on the road compared to other players at the front of the draft. This does not bode well for him as a high-end offensive player at the NHL level. When the other team has home ice advantage, he is nowhere near as effective as others in his draft class are.
Of course, one could look at Bo Horvat's 2012-13 splits and dispute the claim that away totals matter; of course, even his rate of production on the road was higher than Rasmussen's:
Home: 14 goals, 32 points in 34 games (0.94 points per game)
Away: 19 goals, 29 points in 33 games (0.88 points per game)
Rasmussen's away totals and 5-on-5 totals suggest to me that his statistics are significantly improved when he has home ice advantage and plays in non-5-on-5 situations. In other words, the majority of his production occurs in extremely favorable situations. He becomes far less effective in more difficult situations at the WHL level and is easier to contain than most of his peers with line-matching.
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Biggest red flag for me is the 5 on 5 production. The only area he really excels at is in front of the net, IMO.
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To me, the biggest issue is the fact that, with his current ranking, people are expecting some kind of 'elite' offense. The reality is that he does not have that ability - he will never be a major offensive force at the next level. He is simply not a creative, dynamic type of player.
But the numbers! Well, let's think about the fact that Tri City is one of the deepest scoring squads in the WHL. If Rasmussen was on Prince Albert, he'd likely not have 40 points yet. Instead he's in TC, and has 30 some goals. I think that simple fact has significantly boosted speculation about his abilities in the offensive end, and that's unfair to him.
What he is, however, is a guy who you can park in front of the net on the PP and wreak havoc, and allow those elite offensive talents on NHL powerplays to work their magic. He is catastrophic in front of the net and I can see his strength and instincts serving him very well in that type of role in the NHL. There is a ton of value in that type of player, especially for teams that have scorers. He should be able to play up and down the lineup, and that type of versatility, combined with his size and very reasonable skating ability, is an attractive package overall.
That's a fair assessment.
That said, it would be very difficult to choose him over some of the other names in the draft class. Some scouting services have ranked him in their Top 10, some even in their Top 5, which is not where many here think he should go.
Biggest 'red flag' for me is the Western Hockey League.....just not producing the top-end offensive players they once were.....too many Tier Two leagues in B.C., Alberta and Sask. are graduating players directly to hockey scholarship schools in the U.S.
Not saying Nolan Patrick or Rasmussen will bust....but guessing they won't reach the lofty heights of other first round picks.
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I think your causality is a bit mixed up. And the bolded is just fundamentally untrue - the SJHL has 7 D1 commitments this season.
More top end offensive players come from Ontario because....there are 2.5 million more people in Ontario than there are in BC, AB, SK, and MB combined
Really like Rasmussens overall skill package. I don't think he will ever have the production that is expected out of a top 10 pick (60+ points season) but he could definitely turn into the type of C where teams have to plan around him because if they don't he could take over a game physically
He'll fall now, if he wasn't before. A lot of people still had him close if not at the top-5, which is far too high IMO.
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Michael Rasmussen scouting report and profile on DobberProspects
http://www.dobberprospects.com/michael-rasmussen/
http://www.dobberprospects.com/michael-rasmussen/
Yeah, I really do not get the hype around Rasmussen. He is, get this, 42nd in the WHL among forwards under 18 with a eP1/60 at 1.2, as well as having a GF% Rel of -8.44 and his QoT is 15.75 while his QoC is 14.58 (all 5v5 stats). I've only seen highlights as there is no way to watch live games or replays to my knowledge, but the numbers are awful. I do not know what he was all about in previous years, but as far as I'm concerned, he is having a bad draft year.
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