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C Michael McLeod (2016, 12th, NJD) Part II
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Agent Zuuuub
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Well the difference is that Horvat had no where near the physical traits that Mcleod does. He was an average skater and had to rely on his head to score. Mcleod on the other hand can just blow by the defence and crash the net with his combo of speed/size. It's a good trick on the junior level, but doesn't have a lot of replay value in the pros.
AfroThunder396
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I know they're different players but it's hilarious to see the arguments against McLeod are mirror opposites of the ones certain posters used against Zacha last year.
"Zacha's game will translate well to the pros"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN POINTS DON'T MATTER HE'S NOT PUTTING UP POINTS WHO CARES ABOUT STYLE"
"McLeod is really putting up a lot of points"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN STYLE DOESN'T MATTER THERE'S NO WAY HIS GAME WILL TRANSLATE TO THE PROS WHO CARES ABOUT POINTS"
It's almost as if people make up their mind first and then pick and choose which arguments they like.
Imagine a world where different players have different development paths, where a 19 year old isn't defined by the success or failure of other 19 year olds that came before him....what a world that would be.
"Zacha's game will translate well to the pros"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN POINTS DON'T MATTER HE'S NOT PUTTING UP POINTS WHO CARES ABOUT STYLE"
"McLeod is really putting up a lot of points"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN STYLE DOESN'T MATTER THERE'S NO WAY HIS GAME WILL TRANSLATE TO THE PROS WHO CARES ABOUT POINTS"
It's almost as if people make up their mind first and then pick and choose which arguments they like.
Imagine a world where different players have different development paths, where a 19 year old isn't defined by the success or failure of other 19 year olds that came before him....what a world that would be.
Basically the same is said of both prospects. Big guys who can skate but don't have a whole lot of offensive potential.
McLeod's part of his game that will translate is the same that translates for Zacha.
SteveCangialosi123
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They're different, in the same way all prospects are different. But the final projection is that of big guys with good skating but limited scoring potential.
VoidCreature
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No. Zacha was a player with tons of natural ability who was very raw. Enormous ceiling, uncertainty as to how much of it would be actualized. McLeod was a "safe" pick because of his speed and work ethic, with questions as to how high his ceiling is.
They're completely different prospects.
Blender
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Zacha was never considered to have 'limited scoring potential'. The question marks were always about whether he could translate his raw skill, which he has a ton of, into a good/great scorer in the NHL.
McLeod has always been considered a safe NHLer with a lower ceiling.
Horvat was also stuck on the 2nd line in London because they had so many good players. So instead, he was matched against the other teams top line because he was the most suited for that task.
Baemon Severson*
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Maybe when they were home. You think opposing coaches put their best players against Domi or Horvat ?
Well Hunter certainly matched him as much as possible against the other teams top lines, playing the tough minutes, taking the defensive faceoffs. He was considered one of the best defensive players in the league for a reason.
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TheGoldenJet
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Big fan of Michael McLeod, jealous the Devils got him (and a bonus third!) at the draft.
If he improves his shot a little more, and slows his game down on occasion in the O-zone, I see his ceiling as a potential top 6 C with excellent defensive ability, ala Ryan Kesler with slightly better vision.
Would love for McLeod to get some games on the first line in the AHL next year, and an expanded role in Canada's top 6 at the WJCs. He should get the standard 9 NHL games to start the year, but wouldn't want him playing more NHL games than that next year, because a prospect like him needs to see top line minutes all year at this stage of development, and he won't get that in Jersey in 2017.
If he improves his shot a little more, and slows his game down on occasion in the O-zone, I see his ceiling as a potential top 6 C with excellent defensive ability, ala Ryan Kesler with slightly better vision.
Would love for McLeod to get some games on the first line in the AHL next year, and an expanded role in Canada's top 6 at the WJCs. He should get the standard 9 NHL games to start the year, but wouldn't want him playing more NHL games than that next year, because a prospect like him needs to see top line minutes all year at this stage of development, and he won't get that in Jersey in 2017.
AfroThunder396
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McLeod would likely be able to earn a spot in New Jersey next year with his speed and work ethic alone. It also kinda makes sense that he could help the team, since Hynes seems so intent on playing one of Zacha/Henrique at wing.
A line of McLeod, Wood, and Blandisi would be an absolute nightmare to play against. But yeah, I'm more inclined to give him the 9 games and send him back to junior.
A line of McLeod, Wood, and Blandisi would be an absolute nightmare to play against. But yeah, I'm more inclined to give him the 9 games and send him back to junior.
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this is the most watered-down analysis i've seen lol.
"yea they're different but final projection is both breathe so they're the same"
i genuinely don't believe you follow either of these prospects in any capacity. in terms of how they were perceived at draft...
Zacha=raw, physical, skilled, scoring
McLeod=speedy, defensive, workhorse
Wings4Life
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Underrated. Best skater in his draft. Hope he lights up the playoffs and proves the people saying "third liner" wrong.
He's definitely up there. I'd say Chychrun and Kyrou give him a run for his money though.
TheGoldenJet
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Two point night and the GWG for McLeod, 5 points in 4 PO games so far. Showing his goal scoring off a bit now, that was his third of the playoffs.
While his floor is still a third line NHL player, if the Devils give him time to develop properly, I'm one of the (admittedly) few who see a ceiling of future top line C with Selke potential. Will be key for him to get good experience, top line ES and PP minutes next year and hopefully some scoring line WJC/AHL exposure before playing full time in the bigs.
Essentially NJD should avoid rushing him into a third-line type role next season in the NHL. Ideally give him preseason and 5-9 games and let him round out his game for one more year.
While his floor is still a third line NHL player, if the Devils give him time to develop properly, I'm one of the (admittedly) few who see a ceiling of future top line C with Selke potential. Will be key for him to get good experience, top line ES and PP minutes next year and hopefully some scoring line WJC/AHL exposure before playing full time in the bigs.
Essentially NJD should avoid rushing him into a third-line type role next season in the NHL. Ideally give him preseason and 5-9 games and let him round out his game for one more year.
RandR
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I went to this game last night, partly to see McLeod live for my first time. I was really impressed. Obviously his blatant speed is the first thing to notice, but I thought his entire game was good. He was consistently involved in all zones of the ice, he showed good vision and passing to find open players and get the puck to them, he went hard to the net, wasn't afraid of the dirty areas in front of the net and along the boards or corners, he threw at least a couple of hits and took a few. The only negative I noticed was that early in the game he missed a clear shot at the net from the left circle by a good couple of feet, making me wonder if perhaps his shooting accuracy isn't all that great.
TheGoldenJet
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Nice, thank you for the scouting report. That's basically what I saw of him in Game 1 of these playoffs. Yes his shot was one of his weaker areas at the draft, he has improved in that area quite a bit however. His numbers were better this season (6 more goals in same amount of games) and he seems to be doing OK in the playoffs so far. But it's something that he will have to hone before he takes off as a top 6 NHL player for sure, good news is that prospects can improve their shot a fair amount while in the 18-23yo age range.
Judas Tavares
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I think if both Mcleod and Zacha both turn out, they will compliment each other well for New Jersey. Add in this year's pick, this is a much needed infusion of skilled youth for the Devils.
Our other top prospects include Rykov who has had a better year than Sergachev and is getting playing time at one of the top clubs in the KHL and Speers and Quenneville who will both be up with the big club next season. So we went from having the unquestionable worst prospect pool in the NHL to an average to above average pool in only two drafts. Well done Shero!
Baemon Severson*
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Damn, it's the Mikey McLeod show today
Edit- Holy crap 4 points in the 2nd period. Has some pretty sick hands and able to pull stuff off at high speeds
Edit- Holy crap 4 points in the 2nd period. Has some pretty sick hands and able to pull stuff off at high speeds
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