C Maxime Fortier - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL (2016 undrafted)
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Ya if the Moose get control on the PK they don't dump it down the ice. They lob pass and he's up to full speed in a couple strides and past the defence one on one with the goalie. The team started that with Drouin and then Ehlers. He's got good hands and multiple moves with a good shot as well. He really needs to work on his one timer. If there is a flaw it's there. He reminds me of an early Kadri when he's a little off balance when trying to connect with a good pass. Most notably on the power play when he is at the point. Falls to one knee and sometimes fans on the shot. Maybe four or five times this year that's led to odd man rushes against while on the man advantage. He's better up front on the power play than on the point.
Gare Joyce focused on him in his latest piece.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/scouts-take-halifax-mooseheads-winger-maxime-fortier/
An interesting take away is Vegas could be gambling on a couple OA's because they need to stock their AHL team.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/scouts-take-halifax-mooseheads-winger-maxime-fortier/
An interesting take away is Vegas could be gambling on a couple OA's because they need to stock their AHL team.
I know there is good reason for Hischier to be getting all the attention, but Fortier is the one who is leading the Q in scoring. Sure, playing with someone as talented as Hischier inflates his stats a little, but most leading scorers do have good linemates.
Had a team drafted him in the 7th round last year, we'd be calling him a steal right now.
Had a team drafted him in the 7th round last year, we'd be calling him a steal right now.
This is the guy that I pay to go see. He plays good positional hockey. Great IQ and vision. He can forecheck like a mad man and keep a team hemmed in their own zone for long periods of time but then runs out of gas on the backcheck which looks bad. Offensively he can make something out of nothing regularly. Vegas should be paying attention. He could fill some seats for the AHL affiliates as well. Gonna be a sad day when he graduates out of Halifax
Whelp!
He's not going to be a late pick in the upcoming draft now. I really wanted the Canucks to have him.
I haven't been able to catch a ton of games but he's not being carried by Hischier is he?
Who have you heard this from? Many would disagree very emphatically.
As of January 20, 2017:
Fortier has factored in on 33 of Hischier's 67 points this season in the 39 games that they have both been in the Mooseheads lineup. 24 of those are primary points; 9 of those have been secondary points. Fortier has contributed to 49.25% of Hischier's points when both have been in the lineup. Hischier, conversely, has contributed to 51.56% of Fortier's 64 points when they have both been in the lineup, meaning that the difference in raw production when they are both in the lineup is negligible (Hischier: 51.56% vs Fortier: 49.25%).
35.8% of Hischier's 67 points when in the lineup with Fortier feature primary contributions from Fortier. Meanwhile, of the 33 contributions from Hischier to Fortier's point total, 29 are primary points -- 29 primaries over a 64-point total is 45.3% (Hischier: 45.3% vs Fortier: 35.8%). 87.9% of the 33 points that Hischier contributed to Fortier's total are primary points, whereas 72.7% of Fortier's contributions are primary points (Hischier: 87.9% vs Fortier: 72.7%). This shows that Hischier has had a greater impact on Fortier's point total than Fortier has had on Hischier's.
Fortier:
Contributions to 49.25% (33) of Hischier's total points (67) when both have been in the lineup.
Primary point contributions to 35.8% (24) of Hischier's total points (67) when both have been in the lineup.
72.7% (24) of Fortier's total contributions (33) were primary points.
Hischier:
Contributions to 51.56% (33) of Fortier's total points (64) when both have been in the lineup.
Primary point contributions to 45.3% (29) of Fortier's total points (64) when both have been in the lineup.
87.9% (29) of Hischier's total contributions (33) were primary points.
Hischier has scored 67 points when both have been in the lineup. Fortier has scored 64 points. Hischier has contributed more to Fortier's 64 points than Fortier has to Hischier's 67 points.
The statistics all favor Hischier. The flow of play, generation of scoring opportunities, and transition of the puck from zone to zone also favor Hischier.
Note: The QMJHL inaccurate the box scores are inaccurate. I had to identify each primary and secondary point manually (see: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2162767).
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NHL scouts don't know any more than fans who actually watch junior games/international matches diligently. Everyone watches the same game.
Brock (and several publishing scouts) were arguing that Chychrun was a top 2-3 OHL player (behind Tkachuk) all season long (which easily puts him top 5 ~ 8 in the draft) and he ended up going #16.
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I watch every game at Scotiabank Centre. Fortier drives the line. He is the leader of the young Moosehead team. He was last year as well. His hockey IQ is off the charts. Best I've seen in the Moosehead jersey in 25 years. Is where he's supposed to be defensively 95% of the time and knows when he makes a mistake. The game moves in slow motion for him. Sometimes he makes plays that look like scenes from the movie Matrix.
This is all nice but does it prove who drives the line? Before faceoffs Fortier is the player putting his team mates into position. Hischier and Fortier know where each other are most of the time. The Mooseheads carry a lot of set plays and Fortier is the quarterback of that line.
Fortier certainly possesses the breakneck speed to push the pace of the game and take time and space away from the opponent; both he and Hischier have formed chemistry to work off of one another and find each other with the puck.
That said, many of the opportunities that are created in-zone are the result of individual skill and intelligence on the part of Hischier. Fortier is not as shifty nor as creative to be as dangerous off the cycle or along the boards as Hischier is. Hischier possesses elite hockey IQ, incredible mobility, and a sense of innovation and improvisation that make him lethal to the opponent. Hischier is a brilliant player.
Hischier leads every major statistic for the Mooseheads this season, unlike last year when Fortier was the leader in most categories (technically, because the point-per-game leaders, Timo Meier and Danny Moynihan, did not play most of the season).
A few statistics (as of January 20, 2017):
Hischier leads the team in dangerous shots by a significant margin: he has 105 dangerous shots in 39 games; second is Fortier with 94 DS in 46 games.
Hischier leads the team in plus-minus with a rating of +21. Tied for second on the team are Mathieu Charlebois and Max Fortier with +13.
Hischier leads the team (and the entire QMJHL) in points per game with 1.72 points per game. Second on the team is Max Fortier with a rating of 1.54.
Hischier leads the team in goals with 33. Second on the team is Max Fortier with 26.
Hischier is third-lowest out of all Mooseheads who have played at least 30 games this season in penalty minutes with 14 PIMs, tied with Max Fortier.
Hischer leads the team in first goals with 5. Second is Connor Moynihan with 4.
Hischier leads the team in game-winning goals with 5. Tied for second are Jake Coughler and Max Fortier with 3.
Hischier is tied with Fortier for shots on goal with 168 despite having played seven games fewer than Fortier.
Hischier leads the team in powerplay goals (10) and powerplay points (25). Second in powerplay goals is Jake Coughler with 9. Second in powerplay points is Max Fortier with 22.
Hischier is tied with Jake Coughler and Arnaud Durandeau for the team lead in overtime goals with 1.
Out of Hischier's 67 points so far, 59 are primary points.
It would be wrong to infer that Hischier is the greater beneficiary of Fortier's presence than vice versa. While Fortier is definitely a player that teams should look at, there is a reason that Hischier is pushing for the first overall position in the 2017 NHL Draft.
Fortier's plus-minus rating of -23 last season, tied for third-worst on the 2015-16 Halifax Mooseheads, is one glaring statistic for the player with 31 goals, 46 assists, 77 points.
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Mugzy97
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Cmon man, there's no way that is true.
Drouin
Mackinnon
Tanguay
Voracek
Ehlers
Gotta be more
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TheBeastCoast
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If he slips to the 3rd I'd want the Leafs to be all over him. I wouldn't even be upset about a 2nd but I expect D-Men will be the target early for the Leafs. If he slips again whoever picks him is getting a steal though.
If he slips to the 3rd you'd probably want him to actually slip to the 4th (we don't have a 3rd), it is going to Detroit as compensation for Babcock.
SB164
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Maxime Fortier has gone undrafted yet again but he's been invited to the Montreal Canadiens development camp again.
Any idea why he's been undrafted two years in a row?
Any idea why he's been undrafted two years in a row?
Patmac40
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Can't explain how scouts can go watch Nico all year and not find value in drafting Fortier. Baffles me.
Cheddabombs
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I really don't get how someone didn't take a flier on him. He didn't have the best draft year but the past two seasons he's done pretty well on some bad Mooseheads teams. Two seasons ago he was a one man show and this past season it was him and Nico leading the charge. The drop off in points after them is dramatic.
Then again I'm mostly a stat watcher here.
Then again I'm mostly a stat watcher here.
Patmac40
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He was even over a ppg on a really bad team in his draft year. Doesn't make sense to me.
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