We all realize that, so it's just beating a dead horse now. lol
Our only saving grace is if Sieloff turns into anything.
Jankowski reminds me of Colbourne almost to a T, whether or not thats a good thing or not.. you be the judge.
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We all realize that, so it's just beating a dead horse now. lol
Our only saving grace is if Sieloff turns into anything.
Jankowski reminds me of Colbourne almost to a T, whether or not thats a good thing or not.. you be the judge.
Speak for yourself.
Jankowksi is a prospect with good size, hockey IQ, skating ability and vision. He is a project though - so will take time.
There are plenty of other teams that should be kicking themselves more for not picking Maatta. Why should it be Calgary? Does Calgary really need him to be in the NHL right now? For what? Last I checked, they were in a rebuild.
Calgary needs the best players possible to be ready for when they (hopefully) return to being a competitive team and (hopefully) challenging for the cup one day. While it would be 'nice' to have Maatta right now playing games, what is more important is to have the best possible players playing at that time, not now.
There is nothing to say that Jankowski was a bad pick - especially for a team like the Flames who were no where near challenging for the cup, and who shortly thereafter entered into a rebuild.
To make proclamations saying that Jankowski will never be a player - well, fanblogger is nothing but a troll that tries to get us riled up, but does so in the most childish ways (never understand how people lead such unfruitful lives they decide to spend it trying to piss on everything).
Jankowski is a project who is still developing, and has only shown improvement every year. If he stalls or regresses, than I will agree that he was a bad pick.
Fanblogger has no clue about Jankowski, his situation, or how to properly evaluate a player. Just ridiculous troll posts by a self-proclaimed troll. People still quote him?
Everyone knew that Jankowksi was a project, and that means it will take time for him to develop. Last year he entered the NCAA and showed that he could more than hold his head above water, though he played the wing on Mauerman's line. Pretty decent stats for a guy who started the NCAA as a 17 year old (quickly turning 18 and one of the youngest guys in the entire NCAA, if not the absolute youngest!).
This year he got moved to his natural position of center. People are upset about his stats, as they expected a bigger jump? Well, Jankowski is still developing physically (still trying to pack on some size to his frame), but he now has the center defensive duties instead of just being a winger, is on the ice at times in the last few minutes of the game while either trying to hold a lead, or trying to tie it up, no longer plays with Mauerman (who is a center as well) and took a step back with quality of teammates.
He still took a step forward in his point totals this year (season is not over yet), plays a more responsible defensive game (one of the most defensive teams in the NCAA by the way, not a high-scoring team like BC).
There is lots to like about Jankowski. Valid question marks, yes, but it is very premature to write him off as a bust, or make proclamations that the Flames 'should have' drafted someone else.
Let's see how he does in a few years before we make proclamations one way or another. This kid is 19!! He is a whole month older than Monahan for comparisons' sake.
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The guy knows I don't care for his posts or ridiculous statements but harasses my account with countless friend requests... He's an LA Kings fan who loves nothing more than annoying/harassing Flames fans in the prospect forums...
The Flames were known to draft "safe" picks before Janko. With a few prospects doing well and some FA's in the system, they decided to take a swing at a home run.
It's not like picking the safe picks played out that well either, so I don't see anything wrong with taking the chance on him. He may not end up a home run, but a double is still a very good chance.
And like someone mentioned - ya Maatta would have been nice (I always wished he was involved in the Iggy trade, and probably should have been) but it's not just the Flames that should have picked him. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'm sure Dallas (among others) would've loved to take him in retrospect too.
It's not like picking the safe picks played out that well either, so I don't see anything wrong with taking the chance on him. He may not end up a home run, but a double is still a very good chance.
And like someone mentioned - ya Maatta would have been nice (I always wished he was involved in the Iggy trade, and probably should have been) but it's not just the Flames that should have picked him. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'm sure Dallas (among others) would've loved to take him in retrospect too.
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Zirakzigil
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No you get attacked by Flames fans because you make claims about how bad the Flames prospects are and then refuse to back up those claims. Im still waiting for you to answer me on if you have ever actually watched Jankowski live to justify your claim he is a bust.
Jankowski might turn out to be a good player, but it's not just Maatta that the Flames would have been in a position to draft. If they had kept the 14th pick (instead of trading down and taking Jankowski) they would have been able to pick from among a few prospects that are starting to look very promising (Girgensons, Ceci, Hertl, Teravainen and Laughton).
But then they would not have Seiloff... Teravainen also might not be the best for the Flames seeing as how he would be another small forward.
You are correct to say plenty of teams deserve to be kicking themselves at not drafting maatta but the flames should be kicking themselves just as hard at this point in time. Maatta is looking fantastic and is on pace for 30 points which is a very successful season for any defenceman. The flames don't have any defensive prospects that project to be as good as Maatta.
I strongly disagree with you saying that the Flames would be worse off having an NHL ready prospect like Maatta. I hope you do realize Maatta can get better just like Jankowski and would be roughly the same age as him. Maatta projects to be a better player and in a position where they are currently weak in. This means that when the flames challenge for the cup, not only would they be better off with Maatta but they would be the exact same age. If a player is succeeding at the NHL level at a young age, they usually are one of the top players of their draft class.
To sum it up, Maatta would've been an excellent pick but hindsight is 20/20. For you to say suggest that Calgary would not need a player like Maatta is ridiculous. Maatta is a young player who is succeeding in the NHL while Jankowski is a player with a lot of questions concerning if he would even make it to the NHL let alone become an impact player. Tons of prospects never pan out, and project prospects have an even lower percentage of success.
Jankowski can be a good player and the Flames organization could be correct but it would have to be some pretty big leaps in his development within the next few years. As of this moment, Maatta should be unquestionably the better choice in helping the Flames organization now and moving forward.
I think you need to re-read my post.
Nowhere on it did I say that the Flames would be 'worse off' by drafting Maatta, or that the Flames would not need a player like Maatta at all. Seriously, where exactly did I write this? You are making leaps in what I wrote.
My point is that although it is nice to have a prospect like Maatta playing in the NHL right now, Flames are in a rebuild and don't necessarily 'need' a player on the team NOW. Is that saying they don't need him in the future, or that they are worse off? Even as good of a player as Maatta is right now, he would not be turning this ship around by himself and making the Flames a contender now.
As for Jankowski - there is no evidence that he isn't developing nicely. In my opinion, his development has gone better than I anticipated (and one has to really factor in quality of linemates and progression from where he was drafted from - he is making some nice jumps on a very, very defensive NCAA team). I personally think he will end up being a pretty good player. I never saw him as a 'boom or bust' pick at all - he has enough size (but needed time to fill-out due to recent crazy growth spurt), skating ability, skills and high IQ - if he doesn't pan out as a 1st line center down the road, is it so much a reach to think he could pan out as a 3rd or 4th line player, even on the wing? It isn't like he has all these glaring weaknesses, or a size handicap, and so on.
Do I think Maatta at this stage is the better prospect? Of course I do. I am very high on Jankowski still, but any time you see a prospect make the NHL and contribute well, he is almost immediately ahead of the rest of his peer group that hasn't.
Does this mean that Jankowski won't end up being the better player down the road? Or perhaps an important piece to the Flames in his own right at least? I think it is important to be patient and not label someone 'better' over someone else because they are having success in the NHL sooner, or that because somebody is a project it doesn't mean they are = to being a bust (especially since that player is showing signs of progressing positively).
Flames scouted this kid like crazy, and apparently were at every game this kid played once he was on their radar. They had every scout view him as well. It wasn't so much a gamble pick' as it was a question if they accurately projected him or not. We just have to be a bit patient until we see if it works out or not. Year one of the rebuild affords Jankowski some patience, no? Let's at least see how his NCAA career continues.
"There are plenty of other teams that should be kicking themselves more for not picking Maatta. Why should it be Calgary? Does Calgary really need him to be in the NHL right now? For what? Last I checked, they were in a rebuild.
Calgary needs the best players possible to be ready for when they (hopefully) return to being a competitive team and (hopefully) challenging for the cup one day. While it would be 'nice' to have Maatta right now playing games, what is more important is to have the best possible players playing at that time, not now."
I apologize if I read your statement wrong but to me when you said these remarks about maatta it made it seem like Calgary is not regretting it's decision on picking a player who is seemingly worse at the moment. The "they were in a rebuild" line makes it seem like Maatta would not be a good contribution to the rebuild as Jankowski would or not even needed at all. Your sentence saying "it's more important to have the best possible players playing at that time" makes me feel that you believe Jankowski will be superior than Maatta. That's what i interpreted and I could have interpreted incorrectly. I feel you are wrong that Jankowski would contribute to a rebuild more than Maatta.
A player makiing the NHL sooner particularly within one or two years of the draft usually is a very special talent. I just pointed out that probability wise, Maatta is in a very select group of players that made the NHL in their teen years which if he follows the pattern will probably be an impact player. On the other hand, Jankowski is still a prospect and a long term project at that. I'm not saying he will bust but I'm saying realistically these types of prospects have a lower rate than other prospects at panning out.
CantHaveTkachev
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I was stunned when they passed on Maatta for a unknown
TSN had Maata at #10 and it's not like the Flames are blessed with blue-chip defenders...he was there for the taking
TSN had Maata at #10 and it's not like the Flames are blessed with blue-chip defenders...he was there for the taking
Once again the Flames are being dumped on for not taking a prospect. He dropped to 22 move on folks plenty of teams passed on him for lesser prospects. This thread is about Jankowski keep it that way.
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How does he project ? i know hes a long term prospect who will probably spend 4 years in NCAA and another year in the AHL . I know Flames fans think Sean Monohan will prbably be towes esque player who'll be their number 1 center. Will Jankowski project to be a number 2 center ? also hope he can play on the wing ?
InfinityIggy
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If Jankowski hits his 'potential' he could probably be a much better play maker than Monahan. So if he pans out..who knows, he could end up being the #1 guy.
Depends how he develops. He and monahan could be a great 1-2 punch down the road but its way too early to tell. We could end up with another centre this draft in the top 5. Wed love ekblad but i think most teams are targeting him except for the sabres.
King In The North
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Sabres are definitely taking a center, their defensive prospect pool is better than their forward pool, and they really don't have a legit number 1 center.
Oilers will (if smart) take Ekblad. But yeah we'll still end up with a Center
Johnny Hoxville
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I see us taking Dal Colle or Bennett, which I'm more than fine with. Ekblad or Reinhart are still my top choices though.
Actually, what I am trying to say is that it is too soon to say someone is 'better' or 'worse' based on making the NHL sooner than another prospect. You can find players littering the NHL that support both arguments.
What I am implying is that unlike a contending team that should be making the most use of its' prospect base in their push for the cup, Flames don't 'need' that to happen in the next few years. They can afford to be more patient, as they are not contending and having one or two prospects make the team earlier rather than later will not make a big difference in the grand scheme of things.
It is not saying that they can afford Jankowski (or anyone else) to 'bust'.. merely that there is no reasoning to put pressure on selecting more nhl-ready players in the draft.
Patience is what is needed. I do not say that Maatta is going to be better than Jankowski, nor do I say Jankowski is going to be better than Maatta. All I am saying is that we should let prospects develop. Flames scouted Jankowski very thoroughly, and they feel he will be a very good player down the road. Why can't that be accurate?
There will be many players from that round that will not make the NHL. The Flames get a 'win' if Jankowski makes it. They don't need to have drafted the VERY best player in the round to have it be a 'win', right? I just hope they don't 'lose' (bust pick).
For the record, I think Maatta is a very good prospect, and of course the Flames would love to have him in their organization. Of COURSE! Any team would at this point. However, maybe in 2+ years, perhaps every team will be saying the exact same thing about Jankowski? You don't know that until it plays out.
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Nice step forward for him this year, not huge but just about what you'd hope for as a flames fan.
The biggest thing to consider when looking at his numbers and performance is that this was his 18/19 year old season, would be most guys freshman year, numbers are excellent for such a defensive program at that age.
No guarantee he'll take another step next year. If he does and has something around a 13/14 goal 26 point year next season, right on track.
The biggest thing to consider when looking at his numbers and performance is that this was his 18/19 year old season, would be most guys freshman year, numbers are excellent for such a defensive program at that age.
No guarantee he'll take another step next year. If he does and has something around a 13/14 goal 26 point year next season, right on track.
There is one thing the team can do: Because he's a first round pick they can refuse to sign him and grab a 2nd round pick as compensation. At least I think you can still do that under the new CBA. It's not ideal but at least it's not a total loss.
Or they could trade his rights to one of the teams who were rumored to be interested in him on draft day. Although I'm not sure the Flames could trade his rights for more than a 2nd round pick anyway.
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His offensive improvement between last year and this year is kind of marginal, so that's definitely disappointing. Supposedly his defensive game is excellent and his faceoff percentage is ~55%. Also, Jankowski plays with poor offensive players, which doesn't exactly help his cause .
He's a project pick, so not much else to say other than "wait and see." Not a great selection at the time or in hindsight, but that doesn't mean he won't still become a good player. Blake Wheeler is the comparison another poster on the Flames used. A project pick, with a ton of size, who was always sub-PPG in the NCAA and never even came close to leading his team until his junior season. But eventually he filled out, his game refined itself, and now he is a legit first liner. Jankowski needs time... a lot of it.
He's a project pick, so not much else to say other than "wait and see." Not a great selection at the time or in hindsight, but that doesn't mean he won't still become a good player. Blake Wheeler is the comparison another poster on the Flames used. A project pick, with a ton of size, who was always sub-PPG in the NCAA and never even came close to leading his team until his junior season. But eventually he filled out, his game refined itself, and now he is a legit first liner. Jankowski needs time... a lot of it.
According to the Hockey News, Jankowski was re-ranked in survey having at least one scout from every team in the 1st round. Add the development time on top of this - he should command better than a 2nd.
Really depends on how you are looking at it. Stat-watchers will say this.
However, Jankowski moved from playing the wing last year to center (more defensive responsibilities), and moved away from Mauermann's line and onto a line with alternating wingers of the 'low-skill' variety.
The fact that he increased his goal production and points (though marginally - but the season is not quite over) is a very good sign.
Take a look at Monahan. In his draft-eligible season, did you see an increase in points? No. Why? Quality of linemates were downgraded substantially. Just like Jankowski.
Also, on top of this, Jankowski went from playing wing to Center.
It is really nice to see him not regress a bit given those circumstances. It is awesome to see him increase. Now notice that he plays in the dying minutes of games when the Friars are up by one, or down by one. That says quite a lot. Love his FO% too!
I think the most important thing when trying to scout a player is to see improvement in his game, and look at the whole picture before declaring someone's season as 'disappointing'. Did he light the world on fire? No. Given the over-all season, Jankowski took a nice step forward, and it was very nice to see his stats increase at the same time.
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