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C Marco Rossi - Ottawa 67’s, OHL (2020 Draft)

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ShanahanMan said:
I was all for Rossi at 4 but as someone said, I question whether a 5’9 forward can make it in the NHL. There’s zero active players that size that have more than 30 points.

Convince me otherwise.
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Marchand, Gaudreau, Arvidsson, Tyler Johnson, Gallagher, DeBrincat, Atkinson, Marchessault, Yamamoto was PPG through 26 games. All 5'9" and under.
Hockey sense and skill rules all. If you have a high Hockey IQ and legit skill to go along with it, you can excel at any size in todays' NHL.
 
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Darkseider said:
But why is being dedicated today worse than hopefully becoming dedicated next year? After all, maybe those players never become dedicated--at least not in the same way.

Why is Rossi's dedication/advancement not a net benefit for him relative to others?
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That's what's so interesting about the draft. You can bring up the exact same trait about a player and some see it as a positive, while others, a negative. I've heard over and over again how Rossi is fully committed to being great at hockey, and has a great work ethic. So I've looked at that as a big positive. But others worry that it means he's already much further developed than other prospects, so once those guys start pushing themselves, they'll pass him by.

Last year, I was intrigued by Ottawa picking Pinto because it was said that he didn't really start taking hockey seriously until very recently. So if he pushed himself, with his size and ability, he could end up being a really good player. So, essentially the complete opposite of Rossi.

Jack Quinn has openly said he didn't start taking training seriously until recently. This last summer he went hard, and all of a sudden he's a top 10 prospect for many. Could he take his game to even greater heights now that he's truly starting to put in the hard work?

Jamie Benn was a guy who wasn't fully invested in hockey at a young age and ended up being a 5th round pick (he was a good baseball player). Then, he commits to it and ends up as a beast.

There are of course a ton of players who have been fully committed to hockey from a young age, doing all the camps and working out early, and they've gone on to be great. That's what I think will happen with Rossi.
 
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9/10 Scouts. Close to 1/3 of the teams have Rossi 5-10.

That range of the draft if you allow me to include 4-10 because 20% of the teams had Sanderson over Drysdale can go in any order on draft day and there could be another couple of names that sneak in there. Rossi could go any where there even as high as 4th to the Wings.. Larkin, Rossi makes a nice one two.
Drysdale
Perfetti
Raymond
Rossi
Sanderson
Holtz
Quinn

Sens pick 5th .. I would take any of the bolded and be happy.. Sens could use a C lineup with (Byfield/Stutzle, Rossi, Norris) .
We can use everything so it makes that easy lol.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
The absurdity of splitting hairs when talking about a matter of an inch or two in height (something notoriously inaccurately measured across the world of sports).
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It might seem that way, but in recent NHL history, this 5'10 bar of measurements (potentially measured inaccurately) seem to align with the success or lack thereof from NHL'ers.

No one's saying it makes sense, is fair, is a good way of evaluating players. But it's reality, and I try not to ignore the recent history of NHL trends.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
It might seem that way, but in recent NHL history, this 5'10 bar of measurements (potentially measured inaccurately) seem to align with the success or lack thereof from NHL'ers.

No one's saying it makes sense, is fair, is a good way of evaluating players. But it's reality, and I try not to ignore the recent history of NHL trends.
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You are literally ignoring recent trends in the NHL. Obviously historically there were tons of players never given a chance at that size because, A: the league was different and much more difficult to find success at that size, and B: people are stone headed and stuck in their ways.

Your take fits right in with the arbitrary NFL take of years past about QB height. Now we’ve seen multiple QBs barely at the 6 foot mark put together hall of fame careers.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
You are literally ignoring recent trends in the NHL. Obviously historically there were tons of players never given a chance at that size because, A: the league was different and much more difficult to find success at that size, and B: people are stone headed and stuck in their ways.

Your take fits right in with the arbitrary NFL take of years past about QB height. Now we’ve seen multiple QBs barely at the 6 foot mark put together hall of fame careers.
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Who would they be?
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
You are literally ignoring recent trends in the NHL. Obviously historically there were tons of players never given a chance at that size because, A: the league was different and much more difficult to find success at that size, and B: people are stone headed and stuck in their ways.
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What recent trends am I ignoring?

And to be clear, I'm talking about recent NHL history, not anything 10, 20, 30 years ago. I'm talking about the current generation of the league when I talk about the recent trends of the league with there being a lack of sub 5'10 centers and the lack of sub 5'10 players being top 10 picks.
 
Hen Kolland said:
That's like asking why Luke Glendening doesn't have a better chance to be a top line forward than Anthony Mantha.

"But Glendening tries so hard, he trains so hard, he is so dedicated!" Yeah, and? He's smaller, less skilled, not as strong, doesn't have the vision, and doesn't have the shot that Mantha has, even when Mantha had engagement and effort level question marks, he has something that character can't create.

If we look at Rossi, I personally think he lags behind Raymond or Perfetti in terms of hockey sense/IQ, his shot is lesser, his vision and playmaking is lesser, his skating is not markedly better or worse (depends on how you feel personally).

What you are banking on is that his two way or grinder mindset carries him, but I don't want a grinder mindset to be the differentiating quality in the top 4. Especially when someone that I have ranked higher, Perfetti, who doesn't carry character question marks like Merkley did when SJ drafted him, is available and carries the more important qualities that I am seeking.
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I never said that I thought Rossi's mentality would carry him to be better than other players. I just said it was a positive part of his game. And, weirdly enough, you seem to have a hard time conceding even that. He can have just the one positive!

I agree with you most of the time and generally believe you to be a level-headed poster with smart takes, but I'm a little afraid of what you might do to Rossi if we draft him. You don't just rate him lowly, you seem to despise him personally. Maybe we can get out the therapy doll and you can point out where he's touched you?

But all joking aside, some posters on here rrrreally don't like Rossi. I've seen more strongly worded negative comments about him than any undrafted prospect I can remember. It's a bit strange.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
What recent trends am I ignoring?

And to be clear, I'm talking about recent NHL history, not anything 10, 20, 30 years ago. I'm talking about the current generation of the league when I talk about the recent trends of the league with there being a lack of sub 5'10 centers and the lack of sub 5'10 players being top 10 picks.
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The first overall pick last season was 5-10. Brayden Point is 5-10. It would be helpful if you could explain how 1 inch would matter during a hockey game. Or how 1 inch is more important than the 15 pounds he has on Point.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
Drew Brees is 6 feet tall, a hall of famer. Russell Wilson is 5’11, a top 5 qb, champion, will make HOF when it’s said and done.

Recent 1st overall picks Kyler Murray (5-10), Baker Mayfield (6 feet). If you can play, you can play. And height definitely matters for QBs, more so than centers in hockey.
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Thanks, I didn't know "multiple" meant two.
Let's face it, there are always outliers in every sport. And those people compensate by being great at some other aspects of their position. Nobody is saying Rossi will be bad but whether he will be good or great. In this draft if you take him 4th he had better be great.
 
DueDiligence said:
Thanks, I didn't know "multiple" meant two.
Let's face it, there are always outliers in every sport. And those people compensate by being great at some other aspects of their position. Nobody is saying Rossi will be bad but whether he will be good or great. In this draft if you take him 4th he had better be great.
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The two first overall selections in the last few seasons don’t signal a trend to you?
 
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SteveCangialosi123 said:
The first overall pick last season was 5-10. Brayden Point is 5-10. It would be helpful if you could explain how 1 inch would matter during a hockey game. Or how 1 inch is more important than the 15 pounds he has on Point.
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You are completely missing the point. I am not stating I know why its important or that I actually am sure it will be for Rossi, but I am saying that recent historical trends say it is. Just like there are trends with players from the London Knights compared to the Flint Firebirds or there are trends with Russian Forwards or Swedish defensemen, 5'10 seems to be the bar where height matters for players being able to play center in the NHL. Why? I don't know, but I think we'd all be stupid to ignore it. Should it mean Rossi should be a 5th rounder? Obviously thats not what I'm stating. I think it needs to be accounted for, and how much is anyone's own personal interpretation of the risks/benefits.
 
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SteveCangialosi123 said:
The two first overall selections in the last few seasons don’t signal a trend to you?
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I was commenting on this particular point:
Now we’ve seen multiple QBs barely at the 6 foot mark put together hall of fame careers.
The NFL teams also chose Mahomes ( 6.2) Lamar Jackson ( 6.1) They are after a certain style of QB . We will see if that trend continues. Also Mayfield is 6 feet.
 
So here's a hypothetical I'd like to ask my fellow posters here; IF Marco Rossi were 6'0" and everything else were the same, how does this effect your outlook on his career potential and draft position?
 
There are examples of smaller guys having big impacts, but they all seem to be at wing. I can't think of a small 1C under 5ft10 actually. Are there any? Brayden Point is pretty damn tiny from what I've seen I guess.

For that reason though, I would rather take Perfetti and his amazing hockey IQ. He's most definitely a C in the NHL
 

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