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C/LW Pavel Zacha - Sarnia Sting, OHL (2015, 6th, NJD)

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As of now I'd say he's the most likely to be traded up for. Some team is going to fall in love with his blend of size and skill. Can't blame them.
 
tfong said:
Nothing about Strome. Its about Zacha going up. Mediocre statistical season but a whole lot of physical tools to explode. Like the bunch of people seeing him as a "steal" and that he hasn't adjusted to NA rinks as well yet. If he is only a PPG and mediocre now and is still rated in top 10 but if he had a "good" season that would spring him into the top 5 then and likely competing against Marner/Strome in that slot.

Theres quite a few people in here saying they would take him over Strome already. Would the Leafs?
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I am one of those leaf fans
 
Poor man's Ovechkin. Physical, intense, great size and speed, very good shot, somewhat questionable decision making, underrated passer.

I've been on the Zacha train since last spring, so maybe I'm just biased.
 
Did this guy kick everyones dog or something?

Prolly with the highest upside (yes that doesnt mean he will automatically reach it) outside of McDavid, Eichel and Marner.

Huge, really good skater, great shot, good hands, makes effective plays off the boards and is very physical. He's said to be a terrific teammate off the ice and is a extremely hard worker.

Almost noone talks about this guy. His thread is prolly the least active thread I've ever seen for a guy projected top 10 and even top 7 on other rankings.
 
weems said:
Did this guy kick everyones dog or something?

Prolly with the highest upside (yes that doesnt mean he will automatically reach it) outside of McDavid, Eichel and Marner.

Huge, really good skater, great shot, good hands, makes effective plays off the boards and is very physical. He's said to be a terrific teammate off the ice and is a extremely hard worker.

Almost noone talks about this guy. His thread is prolly the least active thread I've ever seen for a guy projected top 10 and even top 7 on other rankings.
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Because there's not much to say. All the tools, but production lacking. That's kind of the end of it.
 
Nalyd Psycho said:
Because there's not much to say. All the tools, but production lacking. That's kind of the end of it.
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You mean the 35 OHL games where he was in and out of the lineup due to injuries and suspensions?

Thats hardly a accurate sample size to judge a player on his offensive abilities.

No quality scout judges a player solely on his stats anyways. You're projecting what these kids will develop into 5-7 years from now when they're grown men.

Some of the goals Zacha scored at the U-18's were jawdropping.
 
weems said:
You mean the 35 OHL games where he was in and out of the lineup due to injuries and suspensions?

Thats hardly a accurate sample size to judge a player on his offensive abilities.

No quality scout judges a player solely on his stats anyways. You're projecting what these kids will develop into 5-7 years from now when they're grown men.

Some of the goals Zacha scored at the U-18's were jawdropping.
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That's what he said: Has all the tools. We aren't judging him by the stats, or he wouldn't be a first rounder at all. We look at his shot, hands, size and the whole package and see a very talented player for sure. The question still remains : Can he produce at an elite level? He hasn't done it. That doesn't mean he can't. But it's still a question mark.
 
Mifroid said:
That's what he said: Has all the tools. We aren't judging him by the stats, or he wouldn't be a first rounder at all. We look at his shot, hands, size and the whole package and see a very talented player for sure. The question still remains : Can he produce at an elite level? He hasn't done it. That doesn't mean he can't. But it's still a question mark.
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No actually many people "are" judging him by the stats. If they truly appreciated this guys raw skillset you'd have alot more people actually talking about him (This thread is DEAD almost always) yet you have people going bonkers over say a guy like Barzal. He hasnt produced at an elite level but like I said he played in a terribly small sample size and dealt with injuries and suspensions not to mention also moving to a new country and transitioning to a new style of hockey.

He looked like a one man highlight reel at the U-18's against elite competition.
 
weems said:
No actually many people "are" judging him by the stats. If they truly appreciated this guys raw skillset you'd have alot more people actually talking about him (This thread is DEAD almost always) yet you have people going bonkers over say a guy like Barzal. He hasnt produced at an elite level but like I said he played in a terribly small sample size and dealt with injuries and suspensions not to mention also moving to a new country and transitioning to a new style of hockey.

He looked like a one man highlight reel at the U-18's against elite competition.
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The thing with Zacha for me is that often when I watch him, he's just not that noticeable. Plays a solide game and sometimes will flash his incredible tools, but other than that he doesn't do much. For sure I only watched 15 games from the guy but every single time I ended up wanting more and came away way more impressed by Chychrun who's everywhere on the ice for the Sting. Zacha just doesn't seem to do much, even though from time to time he'll snipe a beauty or deke two guys or make a big hit.

I question his consistency more than anything. I'd take him over Crouse though.
 
weems said:
You mean the 35 OHL games where he was in and out of the lineup due to injuries and suspensions?

Thats hardly a accurate sample size to judge a player on his offensive abilities.

No quality scout judges a player solely on his stats anyways. You're projecting what these kids will develop into 5-7 years from now when they're grown men.

Some of the goals Zacha scored at the U-18's were jawdropping.
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But you cant measure just on highlights either. Players becoming top offensive threats while not being top offensive threats in their draft year is rare. Zacha has all the tools to be an exception, but, hed still have to be an exception.

While Barzal is the opposite, he has many warning signs of a player for whom production is inflatted. But, his post injury production is unreal.

The question is, are his skills strong enough to be taken over Werenski and Provorov, when he has yet to take the raw ability and make it productivity.
 
Nalyd Psycho said:
But you cant measure just on highlights either. Players becoming top offensive threats while not being top offensive threats in their draft year is rare. Zacha has all the tools to be an exception, but, hed still have to be an exception.

While Barzal is the opposite, he has many warning signs of a player for whom production is inflatted. But, his post injury production is unreal.

The question is, are his skills strong enough to be taken over Werenski and Provorov, when he has yet to take the raw ability and make it productivity.
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What? Barzal's skill level is sublime (skating, vision, shot, hands etc), he's got decent size, and he plays a committed, 200-foot game. Not to mention he plays on a low-scoring team, where he's unquestionably the best forward on his team. How, exactly, does that point to his stats being inflated?
 
weems said:
You mean the 35 OHL games where he was in and out of the lineup due to injuries and suspensions?

Thats hardly a accurate sample size to judge a player on his offensive abilities.

No quality scout judges a player solely on his stats anyways. You're projecting what these kids will develop into 5-7 years from now when they're grown men.

Some of the goals Zacha scored at the U-18's were jawdropping.
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So, don't judge him on a 35 game OHL segment, it's too small...judge him on a 7 game tournament? :sarcasm:

The kid is pretty nice all around package of size and skill. He just doesn't seem to get the full bang for the buck out of all that. At worst he should end up being a good NHLer.
 
theIceWookie said:
What? You need to explain this comment a lot more. Like a lot more.
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I have no idea what needs to be explained. Junior production doesnt have a set rate of translation to the NHL. Therefore, scouts are trying to determine what the translation rate wilk be for each individual player. Even though Zacha's production is lacking, his translation rate is possibly the best in the draft.
 
I think Blake Wheeler is a good comparison for Zacha. Big body that can have great skating explosive moments.
 
Nalyd Psycho said:
I have no idea what needs to be explained. Junior production doesnt have a set rate of translation to the NHL. Therefore, scouts are trying to determine what the translation rate wilk be for each individual player. Even though Zacha's production is lacking, his translation rate is possibly the best in the draft.
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I think what he's saying is Barzal is just as talented as Zacha(he's also been much more productive) & he doesn't see why his production should have much issue translating to the pro game. I agree with him.
 
puckfan13 said:
I think Blake Wheeler is a good comparison for Zacha. Big body that can have great skating explosive moments.
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Watching the clips of Zacha, as a Flyer fan, if he turns out as good as a Kreider/Wheeler type - big, fast, strong, hits, scores - then I'm all for it.

Until later, when I get back on the Provorov, Werenski or Crouse trains, LOL.
 
Biggest sleeper of the draft. If he pans out and reaches his true potential, he could be the 3rd best player out of this draft right after McEichel.
 
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