C Logan Brown - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2016, 11th, OTT)

[57special]

No it wouldn't, the Avg is 6' 7" for an NBA player currently

And NBA players lie about their height all the time.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

And NBA players lie about their height all the time.

yep, it should be obvious to everyone by now.

I remember before the Wladimir Klitschko - Tyson Fury fight when Fury was listen as three inches taller despite them being the exact same height next to eachother and the commentary team talked about NBA players adding 3-4 inches to their height

Logan Brown would be 6'9-6'10 in the NBA

 

[ijuka]

was NHL's average height 6'2" but you wouldn't call a 6'1" player small so why here...


I'm sure that Logan Brown will become a good player in the future and has a real chance of making it to NHL but 6th overall seems like a stretch.

 

[buttman*]

yep, it should be obvious to everyone by now.

I remember before the Wladimir Klitschko - Tyson Fury fight when Fury was listen as three inches taller despite them being the exact same height next to eachother and the commentary team talked about NBA players adding 3-4 inches to their height

Logan Brown would be 6'9-6'10 in the NBA

Yeah because EVERYONE adds 3-4 inches. EVERYONE.

 

[buttman*]

was NHL's average height 6'2" but you wouldn't call a 6'1" player small so why here...


I'm sure that Logan Brown will become a good player in the future and has a real chance of making it to NHL but 6th overall seems like a stretch.

Nobody is calling Brown small. People need to read. What was said by one poster is that he was to tall for the NHL -- big guys don't do well -- he said. He said he should play in the NBA. Which was replied that six foot six is not an advantage in the NBA.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

I haven't played at a high enough level to know, but are kids who are way bigger than their peers trained/coached differently? What I mean is if you have a 6'4 15 year old would a coach focus on using his size as an advantage or just treat him as a taller version of the rest of the players?

It might be just me but I've been noticing that a lot of the 6'3+ guys getting drafted are surprisingly soft physically. At best they'll play a Thornton style possession game, but few of them use their size to bully the opposition. The hard hitting physical players are usually at the upper end of normal-sized (6'0 and heavy to 6'2).

 

[HisNoodliness]

I haven't played at a high enough level to know, but are kids who are way bigger than their peers trained/coached differently? What I mean is if you have a 6'4 15 year old would a coach focus on using his size as an advantage or just treat him as a taller version of the rest of the players?

It might be just me but I've been noticing that a lot of the 6'3+ guys getting drafted are surprisingly soft physically. At best they'll play a Thornton style possession game, but few of them use their size to bully the opposition. The hard hitting physical players are usually at the upper end of normal-sized (6'0 and heavy to 6'2).

Good coaches tailor a player's role and style to their physical advantages and capabilities. Unfortunately if you're very big, hitting a 5'7" kid requires no effort so these big guys get used to out- muscling shrimp. When you get to the AHL and the NHL you are playing against men and you have to learn to out work them too. That's a very new concept for a 6'4+ guy and it's almost impossible to make them learn it in juniors.

So yeah, coaches do teach them differently but players learn more from actually playing the game and how to use your body is very difficult to learn when everyone you're playing against is a foot shorter than you.

It's also the reason that we're seeing supremely skilled 5'9" guys make it more now. They're used to being small and had to learn some other skill in order to compensate. They come into the NHL ready to be the smallest guy out there, but big guys usually aren't ready to pick on someone their own size.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

Good coaches tailor a player's role and style to their physical advantages and capabilities. Unfortunately if you're very big hitting a 5'7" kid requires no effort d so these big guys get used to out- muscling shrimp. When you get to the AHL and the NHL you are playing against men and you have to learn to out work them too. That's a very new concept for a 6'4+ guy and it's almost impossible to make them learn it on juniors. So yeah coaches do teach them differently but players learn more from actually playing the game and how to use your body is very difficult to learn when everyone you're playing against is a foot shorter than you.

I'd imagine they have to go easier on the competition or risk getting suspended too. There's no way a 6'4 guy can go at 100% without constantly getting in trouble.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I'd imagine they have to go easier on the competition or risk getting suspended too. There's no way a 6'4 guy can go at 100% without constantly getting in trouble.

Yeah that's a big problem too. I was always smaller so I could lay guys out and the refs would give me a pass because the other guy shouldn't have been knocked down by that little guy. Also when you're bigger you learn to hit more with your arms and upper body but for a good hit you have to bring all the power from your legs up into your center of mass. It's why you see these goliaths topple over so much. Still If they can learn to use that tool it gives them an extra advantage that no one else can have.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

Yeah that's a big problem too. I was always smaller so I could lay guys out and the refs would give me a pass because the other guy shouldn't have been knocked down by that little guy. Also when you're bigger you learn to hit more with your arms and upper body but for a good hit you have to bring all the power from your legs up into your center of mass. It's why you see these goliaths topple over so much. Still If they can learn to use that tool it gives them an extra advantage that no one else can have.

I'm surprised there isn't a separate training camp or something for 6'3+ guys to get used to playing against each other at full intensity. Its a shame to see players with huge potential squander it because of a lack of that killer instinct. Guys like Colborne and Gauthier could have been legitimate top-6 PWFs if they were the slightest bit mean.

 

[Bank Shot]

I haven't played at a high enough level to know, but are kids who are way bigger than their peers trained/coached differently? What I mean is if you have a 6'4 15 year old would a coach focus on using his size as an advantage or just treat him as a taller version of the rest of the players?

It might be just me but I've been noticing that a lot of the 6'3+ guys getting drafted are surprisingly soft physically. At best they'll play a Thornton style possession game, but few of them use their size to bully the opposition. The hard hitting physical players are usually at the upper end of normal-sized (6'0 and heavy to 6'2).

Almost all skilled prospects coming up into the NHL are soft now.

No one cares if average to small players aren`t physical, but guys that are 6`2``+ tend to get crapped on by the fans if they aren`t cracking heads like Lucic.

 

[UpsideHockey]

E-Mac's definitely on the Logan Brown bandwagon.

He goes in-depth as to why he thinks the ginormous centreman's stock is all revved up and why he has the potential to be a #1 centre at the next level.

LINK to profile here

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

The Flames have to pick this guy. After watching Burke pick guys like Kanzig, or H. smith. And talk so many times about how we need more size. Well here he is. Pick him so we don't have to waste second round picks on giant scrubs.

 

[Ashasx]

The Flames have to pick this guy. After watching Burke pick guys like Kanzig, or H. smith. And talk so many times about how we need more size. Well here he is. Pick him so we don't have to waste second round picks on giant scrubs.

We didn't waste any picks on giant scrubs until the 7th round last year. Treliving seems to have his feet under him now and is under complete control of the draft table.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Rumor in montreal is that Bergevin is interested in drafting him. Would be pretty ridiculous to have 6'6 MCcaron and 6'7 Brown as 2/3 C's behind Galchenyuk ...smurfs you say?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

We didn't waste any picks on giant scrubs until the 7th round last year. Treliving seems to have his feet under him now and is under complete control of the draft table.

Not to mention I think he's a top 6 player in this draft. His potential is scary. My worst nightmare is that Calgary passes on him and Arizona takes him and become the next Getzlaf.

 

[93LEAFS]

Not to mention I think he's a top 6 player in this draft. His potential is scary. My worst nightmare is that Calgary passes on him and Arizona takes him and become the next Getzlaf.

I think he's too passive to be the next Getzlaf. Getzlaf is a mean customer, whose not afraid of using his stick to prove a point. Brown has a very high upside though, but he's a power forward in the sense that he'll use his size to drive possession, and not a guy who throws his weight around.

 

[OttMorrow]

6'6 - 6'7 is almost too big for a forward. It's more about the ability to deal with tight spaces and still control the puck. I can't think of any forwards except for Brian Boyle or Jimmy hayes that are 6'6.
Every other player with that height is a d-man. It's a very awkward height for a forward especially on face-offs.
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6'2 - 6'4 is ideal in my opinion
Jeff Carter
Kesler
Kopitar
Toews

all those guys are within that range.

There's not a lot of 6'6+ guys that go on to be successful in the NHL.

I agree 100% that size is good up to about 6'4 and then it typically is not to the player's benefit to be taller...if anything it decreases their ability to keep up with the pace and agility of the NHL game. I think the ideal height in hockey is between 6'2 and 6'4 as well...if you were to construct the perfect player.

I have concerns with TOO BIG just as much, if not more, than being too small. Especially in today's game.

 

[93LEAFS]

There's not a lot of 6'6+ guys that go on to be successful in the NHL.

I agree 100% that size is good up to about 6'4 and then it typically is not to the player's benefit to be taller...if anything it decreases their ability to keep up with the pace and agility of the NHL game. I think the ideal height in hockey is between 6'2 and 6'4 as well...if you were to construct the perfect player.

I have concerns with TOO BIG just as much, if not more, than being too small. Especially in today's game.

A fair amount of high-end centers in the late 90's were 6'5, such as Sundin, Lindros and Allison, we have seen elite big defenders recently (Chara, and Hedman is the smoothest big guy aka 6'5 or bigger I have ever seen, along with Pronger). Brown may end up being Brian Boyle, but he has great puck skills and vision which may allow his size to play well at the next level. Considering how weak this draft if in regards to guys who are almost guaranteed to be centers Brown is worth a top 10 pick, even as high as 4 (though Oilers don't need a center, just saying value-wise).

 

[OttMorrow]

A fair amount of high-end centers in the late 90's were 6'5, such as Sundin, Lindros and Allison, we have seen elite big defenders recently (Chara, and Hedman is the smoothest big guy aka 6'5 or bigger I have ever seen, along with Pronger). Brown may end up being Brian Boyle, but he has great puck skills and vision which may allow his size to play well at the next level. Considering how weak this draft if in regards to guys who are almost guaranteed to be centers Brown is worth a top 10 pick, even as high as 4 (though Oilers don't need a center, just saying value-wise).

Lindros was a freak of nature...generational talent type when drafted. An absolute man-beast warrior Viking.

Sundin was fantastic too.

Neither was quite as tall as Logan Brown though...to make it in the non-clutch and grab, no-touch NHL that we have today at 6'6, you have to be INCREDIBLY agile to be an impact player. Hard to find someone with both that kind of size and agility...not just agile for his size, but agile as compared to the rest of the NHL.

 

[HuGort]

E-Mac's definitely on the Logan Brown bandwagon.

He goes in-depth as to why he thinks the ginormous centreman's stock is all revved up and why he has the potential to be a #1 centre at the next level.

LINK to profile here

Sounds like he changed after Lemieux trade. Maybe Brown needed a motivator?

 

[Matias Maccete]

If he's there at 7 he's who I want the yotes to take. Even though we need D, his upside is just scary.

 

[LordNeverLose]

I think he's too passive to be the next Getzlaf. Getzlaf is a mean customer, whose not afraid of using his stick to prove a point. Brown has a very high upside though, but he's a power forward in the sense that he'll use his size to drive possession, and not a guy who throws his weight around.

Yep he's much more similar to Jumbo Joe than Getzlaf.

Even Joe was more physical in juniors.

 

[KingTux]

Hopefully Montreal drafts him

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

I just don't see it with Brown. He seems slow of foot. Or am I missing the fact that he is a long strider. I don't see urgency in his play. I like Jost or Keller better.