C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)
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Nikishin turning heads.
This guy is a rookie? Yumpin Frk this guy is the real deal. I wouldn't be surprised if his number goes up in the rafters at the end of his career. Congrats on the hattie Leo and Ducks fans!
theslatcher
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Youngest Duck to score a hatty (Steel had the previous record at 21 years and 51 days old) and 12th youngest player to score one in the NHL overall.
Peasy
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He'll be a stud in this league sooner rather than later. Not surprised in the slightest. I am surprised still only one assist though, people start gotta burying their chances for him!
He almost got another one:
Overall, this wasn't his best game outside of the goals but the whole team played bad. Leo showed more of the overall game in the first games of the season than lately so I hope it will come back at some point (well, he showed that it is cearly in him). Still, he managed to get at least one of his amazing takeaways that will just keep opposition on their toes for years to come. Perhaps less in this game, but lately he is obviously keeping his shifts short, first to change. I expect this is because of his dev plan.
As expected, he matches way better with Killorn than Zegras on LW so I hope this stays in place.
Also an interview:
Overall, this wasn't his best game outside of the goals but the whole team played bad. Leo showed more of the overall game in the first games of the season than lately so I hope it will come back at some point (well, he showed that it is cearly in him). Still, he managed to get at least one of his amazing takeaways that will just keep opposition on their toes for years to come. Perhaps less in this game, but lately he is obviously keeping his shifts short, first to change. I expect this is because of his dev plan.
As expected, he matches way better with Killorn than Zegras on LW so I hope this stays in place.
Also an interview:
I know it really doesn't matter but I respect his handling of media availability with the stutter. He doesn't look frustrated or embarrassed by it. He kind of has these light apologetic smiles but answers every question without trepidation.
Like you said not his best game overall but where it mattered I thought he had an improvement over the past three or so games. He was making better decisions with the puck in all three zones and he really turned up his offensive threat in the third. He could have had 5-6 points (1 more goal) if the Ducks had a monster third. My bigger worry is Terry. Even though he's showing up on the score sheet he's having a very negative impact on his line's possession with his constant turnovers and his difficulties cradling the puck on passes in his wheelhouse.
Only one assist in 9 games. Was his passing ability overblown? 
SmokeyDuck
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Looks like he's played in 8 straight games over the last ~3 weeks, with 5g 7p in that stretch. The Ducks are 6-2 during that period.
Is it safe to say they've more or less abandoned the controversial development model they had planned for him because they think they can compete for a playoff spot this year?
Is it safe to say they've more or less abandoned the controversial development model they had planned for him because they think they can compete for a playoff spot this year?
I'd guess it's too early to tell. This past time the schedule felt a bit more lose than before.
Peasy
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Glad theyve been letting him play. Don't think it's much of an issue if he's sitting out a b2b here and there (or if he shows signs of fatigue), but I also think it's important for him to get accustomed to the NHL grind and work load. He's going to need that for next season, and I think it's in the ducks best interest to at least be somewhat competitive this season so they can really build off of it going into the next year.
When he plays, he plays a lot. Averages 2nd most average TOI after Bedard this season (18:21).
Another thing is lately he is getting worse in +/-. I haven't seen all the games to find an explanation tho. When I see him play I see him being good defensively, stealing pucks. Most of his points currently are on the PP
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His 5v5 on ice shooting percentage is only 5.97%, that will go up. But it's currently driving his PDO down to 975 - hard to be a plus player with that sort of PDO.
That pass to McTavish last night was brilliant. Totally fooled the D. Ducks PP is starting to get going and he has been a big reason for that.
Can’t rest this kid, while playing like this. If he starts to look fatigued then give him a game off.
Can’t rest this kid, while playing like this. If he starts to look fatigued then give him a game off.
TLEH
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That whole plan to rest him was asinine. You have a chance to win games you win games. Him playing helps you win games. If he's tired at the end of the season, sure then rest him or control his minutes but just not playing him at all was legit dumb.
The intent is not to rest him so he is rested for the end of the season. I'm not sure if people are intentionally being obtuse or have no understanding of how our bodies develop.
In order to gain or maintain muscle you need time to work out, and time to rest. NHLers lose a ton of muscle mass over the course of the year because they have no time to work out with the playing/practicing/resting the regular season requires.
Carlsson is still developing physically and should easily gain 20 lbs of muscle over the next couple years. When they sit him it isn't for him to have time to rest for the next game. It's to give him time to work out and rest to continue physically developing.
Thats why the team, the agent, and the player refer to it as a "Strength and development program".
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You've been a big advocate for this plan - are you frustrated that they've so quickly abandoned it to chase short term success?
I think part of it is Zegras has been injured so I'm not ready to say it's been abandoned but while Carlsson had a mini stretch where he looked out of it he looks like he's finding his pace and rhythm again so maybe instead of being fatigued maybe he was dealing with a minor hip thing. So maybe it really isn't necessary.
The plan has only deviated once, last night against San Jose, and because zegras is hurt. Maybe people just overreacted to it in the first place.
TLEH
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You don't lift a bunch of weights during the season its lunacy man.
I know we've gone round and round on this topic but I kinda echo what Whiskey is saying. If you're on board from the start, which you have been, then it seems like the abandoned it to chase Ws. If its all about development that seems shortsighted.
If its the plan to build muscle and do some strength and conditioning program you don't deviate from the plan because another guy is hurt. Its because they're 6-2 and playing well.
Again, I think it's strange how strongly people are reacting to this. It's weird.
TLEH
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Yeah I think its a bit weird to see a team rest a guy that good so that he can lift weights during the season. Its unprecedented. Its even weirder that when they go 7-3 in their L10 or lose a guy to injury they seem to abandoned the plan.
What if it's determined now that playing him a full schedule will at some point make him hit a wall and suffer from it? Then by resting him occasionally now you're avoiding having to rest him later and avoiding the poor play / poor learning later.
It seems to me if you're okay with resting a kid who is tired, it isn't a far leap to rest a kid to keep him from getting tired.
In the AHL they lift weights during the week, because they have that midweek gap in the schedule. The soreness is gone by the weekend.
The Ducks decided the best thing for Carlsson's development was playing him with the best talent in their organization, but not for 82 games. It is the most sensible approach I've seen with a physically immature prospect, and it's refreshing. I hope they're sticking with it (we don't know what their plan is game to game).
