C Leo Carlsson (2023, 2nd, ANA)

[ZEBROA]

I dont want him with Babcock and Provorov.

"We value your integrity " WTF!. Cant get it to go away. . U dont value my sanity thats for sure.

 

[Kalv]

Leo this October writing a list of whom he thinks are the least-hard working players on the Jackets for Babcock:

 

[Crede777]

Leo this October writing a list of whom he thinks are the least-hard working players on the Jackets for Babcock:

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Not a hard list given how this season played out.

Hard workers: Boone Jenner
Not hard workers: Everyone else.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Confirmed Carlsson is better at golf than Bedard or Fantilli, but worse than Smith.



Also met with CBJ in Buffalo.

 

[Boxscore]

I think the argument for taking Smith over Carlsson is that he has a very dynamic offensive element to his game that Carlsson possibly doesn't have.

How do you figure that? I don't understand this sentiment at all. Carlsson is a 6-3 pivot who stickhandles like he's 5-10, dekes players out of their shorts, and fires bullets like lasers. He's a human highlight reel. What "dynamic offensive element" does Smith possess that Carlsson doesn't?

 

[ViD]

Leo this October writing a list of whom he thinks are the least-hard working players on the Jackets for Babcock:

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This October he will not be playing in the NHL, the guy is a lanky stick, he’s not ready for the NHL action unless he dramatically bulks up this Summer.

 

[BB88]

This October he will not be playing in the NHL, the guy is a lanky stick, he’s not ready for the NHL action unless he dramatically bulks up this Summer.

Plenty of weaker and smaller players have made the jump to the NHL with zero pro hockey experience under their belt

I would expect him to not play in the NHL but it’s not impossible he shows up and earns a spot

 

[hockeyprospects9]

This October he will not be playing in the NHL, the guy is a lanky stick, he’s not ready for the NHL action unless he dramatically bulks up this Summer.

He's lanky for sure, but that angle's not doing him justice

 

[Grinner]

Why rush any of these kids

 

[Garl]

This October he will not be playing in the NHL, the guy is a lanky stick, he’s not ready for the NHL action unless he dramatically bulks up this Summer.

You are negative about him because hail Michkov

 

[ViD]

You are negative about him because hail Michkov

What the hell does it have to do with Michkov who is not physically ready for the NHL as well ?

 

[Garl]

What the hell does it have to do with Michkov who is not physically ready for the NHL as well ?

You are a big fan and Russia supporter.

Btw, Carlsson is not even that skinny, his large frame is misleading

 

[ViD]

You are a big fan and Russia supporter.

Btw, Carlsson is not even that skinny, his large frame is misleading

And you’re a big time Russia hater, do we discredit all your posts now ?

 

[57special]

Confirmed Carlsson is better at golf than Bedard or Fantilli, but worse than Smith.

Confirmed that Smith is lazy, and spends all his time on the golf course.

 

[57special]

Why rush any of these kids

100%. Unless you are a manchild like Mackinnon, let them have at least one year in their respective leagues to mature physically and mentally. These young men are still developing. For Carlsson, who has the option of playing against men in a vg league next year, where travel is minimal and he doesn't have to worry about adjusting to a radically new culture and lifestyle, delaying a year is a no brainer. Many high picks need two or three.

Have we learned nothing from the Lafreniere and Kakko(both of whom were deemed "NHL ready") debacles?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Confirmed that Smith is lazy, and spends all his time on the golf course.

He'll be a Shark for sure then.

 

[Garl]

And you’re a big time Russia hater, do we discredit all your posts now ?

Bias is bias. Michkov was a Prodigy and a next one for russian hockey for years, the fact that some people think Fantilli or Carlsson are better prospects or let's be modest at least comparable seems insulting to russian fans here, especially Carlsson, since he is not even a canadian or american

Funny, seems like your team will select Carlsson. Btw, I would like Carlsson to stay in SHL for one more season, but it is not because he is skinny. 6'3 200, numbers don't lie, he has a large frame and can add weight fir sure but he is not skinny

 

[ViD]

Bias is bias. Michkov was a Prodigy and a next one for russian hockey for years, the fact that some people think Fantilli or Carlsson are better prospects or let's be modest at least comparable seems insulting to russian fans here, especially Carlsson, since he is not even a canadian or american

It doesn’t take a genius to understand the only reasons Fantilli and Carlsson are ahead of Michkov are not hockey related. It’s all about his contract with SKA and geopolitical situation. Teams weren’t able to truly evaluate Michkov this past year due to him not participating in the international competitions.

There are many models based on actual performance that have Michkov and Bedard head to head, with a big gap from others.

When Michkov was already destroying Youth Olympics, Hlinka and U18 as a 16 year old, nobody even heard of Fantilli and Carlsson. The talent gap there is pretty noticeable.

Now, it’s clear that the teams are extremely cautious about using their top 5 picks on a player they won’t see in years and possibly more due to politics. In Columbus case, they’re predetermined to pick a big center they’ve been chasing since PLD left.

 

[VictorLustig]

It doesn’t take a genius to understand the only reasons Fantilli and Carlsson are ahead of Michkov are not hockey related. It’s all about his contract with SKA and geopolitical situation. Teams weren’t able to truly evaluate Michkov this past year due to him not participating in the international competitions.

There are many models based on actual performance that have Michkov and Bedard head to head, with a big gap from others.

When Michkov was already destroying Youth Olympics, Hlinka and U18 as a 16 year old, nobody even heard of Fantilli and Carlsson. The talent gap there is pretty noticeable.

Now, it’s clear that the teams are extremely cautious about using their top 5 picks on a player they won’t see in years and possibly more due to politics. In Columbus case, they’re predetermined to pick a big center they’ve been chasing since PLD t

These are tournaments for children, the NHL is a different sport. The draft is all about projecting players and Michkov is certainly not a perfect prospect, what he did at 15 is irrelevant.

 

[ViD]

These are all child tournaments. The draft is all about projecting players and Michkov is certainly not a perfect prospect.

Nobody is perfect, obviously. Even this year in the KHL which is not a child tournament, he posted record breaking numbers for a draft eligible player - passing the likes of Ovechkin, Tarasenko, Kucherov

 

[Boxscore]

The way I see it -- the Jackets cannot

It doesn’t take a genius to understand the only reasons Fantilli and Carlsson are ahead of Michkov are not hockey related. It’s all about his contract with SKA and geopolitical situation. Teams weren’t able to truly evaluate Michkov this past year due to him not participating in the international competitions.

There are many models based on actual performance that have Michkov and Bedard head to head, with a big gap from others.

When Michkov was already destroying Youth Olympics, Hlinka and U18 as a 16 year old, nobody even heard of Fantilli and Carlsson. The talent gap there is pretty noticeable.

Now, it’s clear that the teams are extremely cautious about using their top 5 picks on a player they won’t see in years and possibly more due to politics. In Columbus case, they’re predetermined to pick a big center they’ve been chasing since PLD left.

I agree. Personally, I feel Michkov is the 2nd best talent in the draft behind Bedard. If his name was Matthew Michaels from Canada, he is a stone cold lock for 2nd overall. That said, in a hard cap world, it's imperative to hit on top real estate picks. And for a team like Columbus who have "win now" players like Gaudreau, Laine, Werenski, Provorov, and Severson, it is a risky proposition the wait a minimum of 3 years before your best young player gives you a return on your investment. And, we cannot ignore the global climate, unfortunately.

As for the players themselves, here's my opinion...

Michkov will be a Kucherov / Kaprizov level titan when he arrives. I fully expect him to be an elite 90-100 point winger by age 23 or so.

Fantilli is the wildcard here because he reminds me of an Eichel / young Jeff Cater hybrid. But I expect him to be a 40/50/90 player in his prime.

Carlsson is the sweet pick because I think his game is brilliant. He has the size, reach, skills, vision, and shot to be a top line horse at center. I also think his goal scoring has been criminally underrated by pundits to date. He has a lot of Auston Matthews in his game mixed in with some Nicklas Backstrom and Sasha Barkov / Anze Kopitar. But, let's say he never ends up them, I still think he's a lock to be a 30/55/85 guy (and that's a bit conservative) who drives the offense and makes his linemates better. And, if that's the case, do the Jackets pass on a 6-3 pivot who can bag 85-90 in order to wait on a winger who could flirt with 105-110? I think that's risky.

Smith is the one kid I think the Jackets should stay clear of. Not that he's not an elite talent, but he's on the smaller end, and his game is eerily similar to Gaudreau and Johnson. The Jackets have plenty of razzle dazzle and could use a player like Carlsson more imho.

 

[TT1]

there's a higher chance that Carlsson goes #2 OA over #4 OA, wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes #2

the argument should be between Fantilli and Carlsson, not Smith and Carlsson

 

[HanSolo]

How do you figure that? I don't understand this sentiment at all. Carlsson is a 6-3 pivot who stickhandles like he's 5-10, dekes players out of their shorts, and fires bullets like lasers. He's a human highlight reel. What "dynamic offensive element" does Smith possess that Carlsson doesn't?

Muh dangles.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

The way I see it -- the Jackets cannot

I agree. Personally, I feel Michkov is the 2nd best talent in the draft behind Bedard. If his name was Matthew Michaels from Canada, he is a stone cold lock for 2nd overall. That said, in a hard cap world, it's imperative to hit on top real estate picks. And for a team like Columbus who have "win now" players like Gaudreau, Laine, Werenski, Provorov, and Severson, it is a risky proposition the wait a minimum of 3 years before your best young player gives you a return on your investment. And, we cannot ignore the global climate, unfortunately.

As for the players themselves, here's my opinion...

Michkov will be a Kucherov / Kaprizov level titan when he arrives. I fully expect him to be an elite 90-100 point winger by age 23 or so.

Fantilli is the wildcard here because he reminds me of an Eichel / young Jeff Cater hybrid. But I expect him to be a 40/50/90 player in his prime.

Carlsson is the sweet pick because I think his game is brilliant. He has the size, reach, skills, vision, and shot to be a top line horse at center. I also think his goal scoring has been criminally underrated by pundits to date. He has a lot of Auston Matthews in his game mixed in with some Nicklas Backstrom and Sasha Barkov / Anze Kopitar. But, let's say he never ends up them, I still think he's a lock to be a 30/55/85 guy (and that's a bit conservative) who drives the offense and makes his linemates better. And, if that's the case, do the Jackets pass on a 6-3 pivot who can bag 85-90 in order to wait on a winger who could flirt with 105-110? I think that's risky.

Smith is the one kid I think the Jackets should stay clear of. Not that he's not an elite talent, but he's on the smaller end, and his game is eerily similar to Gaudreau and Johnson. The Jackets have plenty of razzle dazzle and could use a player like Carlsson more imho.

I understand your case for Carlsson for Columbus but the critique of Smith is odd because he isn't really that small or weak.

 

[Postulates]

Wouldn't draft him because of his compulsive lying

He can not bench 330 with that build, all the kids his age that could do 300+ I played football with were much more built