C Kirby Dach (2019, 3rd, CHI)

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Sounds like the same kind of concerns that were present with Getzlaf in his draft year - obviously, that's the one out of a 100 similar cases that actually panned out. However, his skillset is so damn rare as a huge superstar-upside center that I can't see him falling out of the top 10.

If the Canucks aren't in the top 4 and pass on him, I'll be choked.
 
Why don't you see him as a C? Hasn't he only played C? I view Cozens as more likely to play wing than Dach. This is the first I've seen this brought up with Dach.

These are 17 year old kids, Dach's got some inconsistencies to iron out in his game absolutely, but the talent is there. I also wonder how much injuries might've bothered him during the year.

But he lives & breathes the game, guy doesn't even have social media. He seems to have improved his skating from last year to this year. I don't worry about his commitment to becoming a good pro.

Because he does not have the drive or the skating to play C. Blades are my favorite team, I watch them a fair bit, but Dach is absurdly overrated by some here.
 
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Having watched him quite a bit I certainly don't agree on either of those statements, especially not the drive part.

He was a monster against Moose Jaw. Best player on the team by a wide margin. Drove play up the ice every shift and was controlling the play every time he touched the puck. Watched all 4 games, two live, Dach drives play more than anyone on the Blades and I really dont think its debatable.
 
He was a monster against Moose Jaw. Best player on the team by a wide margin. Drove play up the ice every shift and was controlling the play every time he touched the puck. Watched all 4 games, two live, Dach drives play more than anyone on the Blades and I really dont think its debatable.


I find it the comments about his compete level absurd. I am assuming the posters claiming this have not actually seen the kid play. I have watched him play 50+ times live over the past 2 years.

He is absolutly built for the playoffs because of his compete level. Moose jaw was clutching and grabbing and slashing him all series to get him off his game and didnt faze him. He was throwing his body around all series.
 
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I find it the comments about his compete level absurd. I am assuming the posters claiming this have not actually seen the kid play. I have watched him play 50+ times live over the past 2 years.

He is absolutly built for the playoffs because of his compete level. Moose jaw was clutching and grabbing and slashing him all series to get him off his game and didnt faze him. He was throwing his body around all series.

Woo got to him a couple of times but Woo is built like a tank. He completely owned him a few times though.
 
He was a monster against Moose Jaw. Best player on the team by a wide margin. Drove play up the ice every shift and was controlling the play every time he touched the puck. Watched all 4 games, two live, Dach drives play more than anyone on the Blades and I really dont think its debatable.
Yeah anyone who thinks Dach doesn't have drive or isn't a good skater either hasn't watched him or doesn't know how to identify talent. Dach likes to let plays come to him using his IQ but also uses his size and skating to over match players. A player without drive doesn't play on the PK. Some players go all out all the time but usually that's out of necessity like Podkolzin. It's like in the Byram thread where because he let's forecheckers on him it's him being lazy when it's actually him freeing up space for his teammate that he moves the puck to.
 
He was a monster against Moose Jaw. Best player on the team by a wide margin. Drove play up the ice every shift and was controlling the play every time he touched the puck. Watched all 4 games, two live, Dach drives play more than anyone on the Blades and I really dont think its debatable.
I watched a lot of Dach and this isn't exactly the rule for him. He may have looked really good there, but there's some concern because he doesn't move his feet a whole lot
 
Yeah anyone who thinks Dach doesn't have drive or isn't a good skater either hasn't watched him or doesn't know how to identify talent. Dach likes to let plays come to him using his IQ but also uses his size and skating to over match players. A player without drive doesn't play on the PK. Some players go all out all the time but usually that's out of necessity like Podkolzin. It's like in the Byram thread where because he let's forecheckers on him it's him being lazy when it's actually him freeing up space for his teammate that he moves the puck to.
He's passive out there, thats mostly what people think when they say drive.
 
I watched a lot of Dach and this isn't exactly the rule for him. He may have looked really good there, but there's some concern because he doesn't move his feet a whole lot

Depends on what he is trying to accomplish. He can both slow the play down and keep the play moving. Guys like Blake Wheeler like to slow the play down to and don't move their feet much because they are trying to let the play happen. Sometimes just constantly moving isn't the best option. Sometimes you have to draw players to you, especially if you are a good passer. Dach does this a lot I've noticed. He'll get the puck, fly into the zone and then slow things down, keeping his stance wide, protecting the puck to try and draw in defenders to himself to make a play. It doesn't always work but when it does it beautiful. He also can push the play a tonne. I can't even count how many times he got the puck in his own zone and just flew down the ice stickhandling through everyone, finding open ice, and creating a scoring chance from a shot or pass.

Kid has a shit load of skill and he is just scratching the surface of it. With his frame and as long as his skating continues to improve he is going to be a hell of a player. I was souring on him a bit during his cold streak but recently he has been an absolute force like he was earlier in the season.
 
I find it the comments about his compete level absurd. I am assuming the posters claiming this have not actually seen the kid play. I have watched him play 50+ times live over the past 2 years.

He is absolutly built for the playoffs because of his compete level. Moose jaw was clutching and grabbing and slashing him all series to get him off his game and didnt faze him. He was throwing his body around all series.
Yeah haven’t seen him play at all, despite watching Blades religiously for years.
 
So you have Dach well above Cozens and Krebs? How would you compare and contrast the three?
Yes, I do, although I love the others as well. I see him as having the highest floor and the highest ceiling. I’m no scout but I’ll attempt a run down, other WHL watchers can chime in to corroborate or correct my views.

All three have very good and very different skating. Krebs is smooth and very efficient allowing him to always be around the puck, and excellent agility. Dach is powerful with a long stride that similarly allows him to be efficiently effective, and has impressive ability to turn tightly and rapidly to escape pressure, especially for a guy his size. Cozens is up there and possibly the fastest in a straight line with and without the puck in the whole draft class, so he gets the edge, as he can accelerate hard in any direction from a standstill.

All three are also strong defensively. Cozens’ Hlinka showed that he can be a shut-down possession beast when tasked with another team’s top offensive threat, but I think I might like Dach here overall. He’s a highly committed and intelligent positional defender with a strong stick and deceptive speed, I can’t remember how many times he picked a guy’s pocket, and he’s a physical presence with his size and reach even if he doesn’t throw too many hits. Krebs is also defensively conscientious and adept at takeaways and pass interceptions, and considering that Cozens has had some defensive inconsistencies this season, I might prefer him - although I think Cozens’ ceiling as a defensive player is higher, if that makes any sense.

In terms of puck skills, each is a dangerous threat one-on-one and capable of undressing a defender, with Cozens and Dach generally more adventurous. Dach has some serious moves and great hand-eye, and Cozens is left behind a little bit by the other two in terms of passing - that’s not much of a criticism. Dach serves up banquets, he’s one of those guys who can dish crazy sauce without a second of hesitation. Krebs is similar and has the uncanny luck, vision, will, whatever you want to call it to make on-ice passes into high danger areas through high traffic.

Krebs probably takes IQ, the way he predicts plays will develop and slips in, around, and behind defences to get open or make a play is his best trait in my eyes. He’s one of those guys that you can immediately tell is thinking outside the box a couple steps ahead of everybody else. Cozens has had his IQ questioned on here, which I don’t really agree with, but it doesn’t stand out. Dach takes vision easily. Yes, easily, even over Krebs. He’s a surveyor with excellent patience and the size and mobility required to let plays develop. I haven’t seen a game go by where he didn’t make a great pass in the offensive end from his favourite spots beneath the half wall. He’s deceptive, he’s decisive, and he rarely tries to force things where nothing exists despite his skill.

Shooting is interesting, but I know one thing. Dach has the best wrister. Heavy, amazing accuracy, great release. It’s a little ridiculous how infrequently he uses it, though. Cozens is the far, far more willing shooter whose shot isn’t significantly behind and takes this in a cake walk.

Dach separates himself on the basis of his offensive potential. His vision and whole-package playmaking ability (combination of patience, puck skills, and puck protection, with and without speed) is unparalleled in this year’s draft. As I said earlier, before his inexplicable dry spell that I have gone into detail on multiple times, his statistical production over the first 2.5 months had him on par with and above Kakko and tentatively pushing at Hughes. He’s still that same player and the points are starting to come in greater volume again. The style and pace at which he seems inclined to play have raised a slight degree of concerns where I don’t see him going above third but would be perfectly happy to see my team pick him there, and it will be a mistake that one team will joyfully capitalize on if he falls past 5 or 6.

I realistically expect Cozens and Krebs to become strong 2Cs in the NHL, and Dach a true first line centre, although all have an authentic shot at becoming that. This draft is absolutely loaded with guys who could become the offensive leader for a team. Interestingly, there’s some talk of a chance all of these WHL guys could become wingers - although that would be a foolish waste of their talents IMO.
 
Depends on what he is trying to accomplish. He can both slow the play down and keep the play moving. Guys like Blake Wheeler like to slow the play down to and don't move their feet much because they are trying to let the play happen. Sometimes just constantly moving isn't the best option. Sometimes you have to draw players to you, especially if you are a good passer. Dach does this a lot I've noticed. He'll get the puck, fly into the zone and then slow things down, keeping his stance wide, protecting the puck to try and draw in defenders to himself to make a play. It doesn't always work but when it does it beautiful. He also can push the play a tonne. I can't even count how many times he got the puck in his own zone and just flew down the ice stickhandling through everyone, finding open ice, and creating a scoring chance from a shot or pass.

Kid has a **** load of skill and he is just scratching the surface of it. With his frame and as long as his skating continues to improve he is going to be a hell of a player. I was souring on him a bit during his cold streak but recently he has been an absolute force like he was earlier in the season.
This. The zone style you described defines him, he loves having the puck on his stick in the offensive end and letting the other team come to him. Sure, it gets him into trouble once or twice a period, when he twists and turns one too many times and runs himself out of room, but usually he is then in a position to just chop it back to the d-man or around the boards. And defenders get tired of going after the 6’4” kid who will have them practicing their stops and starts for a solid 10 seconds. Lose that pressure, and he’ll hit the guy across the ice or in the slot in a second. He creates an enormous amount of scoring chances when he’s feeling it.

And the same guy is equally capable of deciding to barrel towards the goal. He likes to slow the play down, sure, but I want to put together a compilation of all the times he just powered his way into a premium scoring chance off the rush to show to the guys suggesting he lacks drive.
 
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This. The zone style you described defines him, he loves having the puck on his stick in the offensive end and letting the other team come to him. Sure, it gets him into trouble once or twice a period, when he twists and turns one too many times and runs himself out of room, but usually he is then in a position to just chop it back to the d-man or around the boards. And defenders get tired of going after the 6’4” kid who will have them practicing their stops and starts for a solid 10 seconds. Lose that pressure, and he’ll hit the guy across the ice or in the slot in a second. He creates an enormous amount of scoring chances when he’s feeling it.

And the same guy is equally capable of deciding to barrel towards the goal. He likes to slow the play down, sure, but I want to put together a compilation of all the times he just powered his way into a premium scoring chance off the rush to show to the guys suggesting he lacks drive.

He reminds me quite a bit of Blake Wheeler in the way he approaches offence. He can drive the net and has a good shot that is a little bit underutilized. He prefers to set the play up and do his work from the half wall. He can be a burner when he wants to but he is always looking to slow the game down and develop the play and he can cycle the puck and turn defenders inside out in the same way with his edgework.
 
Yeah anyone who thinks Dach doesn't have drive or isn't a good skater either hasn't watched him or doesn't know how to identify talent. Dach likes to let plays come to him using his IQ but also uses his size and skating to over match players. A player without drive doesn't play on the PK. Some players go all out all the time but usually that's out of necessity like Podkolzin. It's like in the Byram thread where because he let's forecheckers on him it's him being lazy when it's actually him freeing up space for his teammate that he moves the puck to.
Exactly that. His size and reach allows him extra time and he uses it to hit guys through seams perfectly.
 
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He brought it every night against the Warriors and made them look silly damn near everytime he had the puck. I had concerns about his skating the last time I saw him but he was absolutely moving out there. If anything he brought his game to another level in the playoffs. Getzlaf had similar concerns about his compete level and actually wilted in the playoffs in his draft year. Dach has thrived so far. The 2nd round will be a real test to see what he is capable of.

I dont doubt that he did but thats a short sample. He had a pretty big cold streak this season and the couple games I watched one he was dominant and the other he really looked passive out there. Lots of kids can get over that as they get older, lots of kids dont. Hes a great prospect but hes not a perfect prospect and I gotta agree with the other posters saying its something to be concerned about. His skill level is probably worth the risk anyways and he'll definitely go high but if he had Cozens or Krebs drive out there he would be the for sure 3rd pick I think.

Like I said, mantha wasnt quite as talented and he went lower than what Dach will but the comparison isnt horrible. When Mantha is on, hes absolutely dominant out there but hes just not always on is the issue. I could see this happening with Dach as well
 
I dont doubt that he did but thats a short sample. He had a pretty big cold streak this season and the couple games I watched one he was dominant and the other he really looked passive out there. Lots of kids can get over that as they get older, lots of kids dont. Hes a great prospect but hes not a perfect prospect and I gotta agree with the other posters saying its something to be concerned about. His skill level is probably worth the risk anyways and he'll definitely go high but if he had Cozens or Krebs drive out there he would be the for sure 3rd pick I think.

Like I said, mantha wasnt quite as talented and he went lower than what Dach will but the comparison isnt horrible. When Mantha is on, hes absolutely dominant out there but hes just not always on is the issue. I could see this happening with Dach as well

The thing is both of those players also went through streaks of on and off play. Such is the life of a 17/18 year old. Anyone expecting McDavid level consistency is going to be disappointed as none of these kids are that good.
Guys like Wheeler and Getzlaf aren't always on either. Consistency is rare from any player. Even MacKinnon went on a torrid pace and cooled off. Very few players will bring it every single night, week in and week out. As much as we want them to be robots they are still human and will display the same traits us normal humans have.
 
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He was a monster against Moose Jaw. Best player on the team by a wide margin. Drove play up the ice every shift and was controlling the play every time he touched the puck. Watched all 4 games, two live, Dach drives play more than anyone on the Blades and I really dont think its debatable.

It isnt at all. He's a complete skillset and a smart, smart player. He could've had a bunch more points and was creating something every two shifts. This guy has everything you want in a high end center and he's good defensively as an added bonus.
 
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There’s no need to overthink it with this kid. He’s going to be a Johansen/Scheifele type of player.

Johansen I could see. Scheifele's compete level is second to none, if Dach somehow gets that he'll be a freaking monster.
 
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Johansen I could see. Scheifele's compete level is second to none, if Dach somehow gets that he'll be a freaking monster.

Tell that to Scheifele this year. Kids gone missing for a few months now. Scheif has an incredible drive to get better but he definitely 100% does not bring it every single night. In reality very few players do. I agree with the notion that Dach and Scheifele play nothing alike. He is a lot closer in play style to Wheeler and Getzlaf then he is to Scheif.
 
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