C Joseph Veleno - Saint John Sea Dogs, QMJHL (2018, 30th, DET)

[Plastic Joseph]

The kid has been heavily promoted since way back. Even moved across town to play in Lions territory. There has not been a kid promoted as heavily in this area in a long time.

He faces a challenge in putting weight on his tall frame. It is not as easy as people think and it will affect him. Height is irrelevant. His weight is going to be an issue.

He never got a chance to dominate in Midget AAA and he certainly won't next year. There is something to be said about dominating at a level and then moving on.

On the flip side, he will now have 3 years of Q eligibility before being draft eligible. People are using Sean Day as an example of why he shouldn't have gotten the status, but I think in the long run it was the best thing for Day.

Day wasn`t dominating midget either when he was granted, but he still was not going to improve his game against players that much slower, smaller, and less skilled. He is now ranked top 10 for 2016 by the Hockey News, and has 2 full OHL seasons under his belt going into his draft year. Personally I expect a break out season, maybe even a dominant one in the OHL.

Basically what I`m getting at is that I would rather have 3 seasons in the CHL before entering the draft over going back to midget for another year just so I can dominate and supposedly take that mentality on to the next level.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

He signed with Svoboda in late September/early October, I heard about it the night after it happened. If true he's gone through 3 agents in about 9 months.

The reporter talks about Veleno being with Brisson for a few weeks only.

L’hiver dernier, c’était Petr Svoboda qui représentait Veleno. Ensuite, la famille s’est tournée vers Pat Brisson, qui représente des vedettes comme Tavares, Sidney Crosby, Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, et j’en passe. Les relations avec l’équipe de Pat Brisson ont duré quelques semaines. Puis, voilà que Joseph Veleno est maintenant représenté par Philippe Lecavalier!

Last winter, Petr Svoboda was representing Veleno. Then, the family turned to Pat Brisson, who represents stars like Tavares, Sidney Crosby, Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, and so on. Relations with Pat Brisson's team lasted a few weeks. Joseph Veleno is now represented by Philippe Lecavalier!

http://blogues.radio-canada.ca/blog...r-exceptionnel-est-elle-un-cadeau-empoisonne/

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

I don't question his potential, I question wether he can handle the Q right now.

Long term maybe it's best, maybe it's not.

The criteria for EPS and surclass is dominate...

He didn't do that this year or last year.

Also, for those wondering..

Xavier Parent, one of the Poulins, not Samuel, and Xavier Simoneau will all play Midget AAA this coming season as underage players.

Parent had 49 points this year. Simoneau is supoosed to be able to push Parent.

 

[wings5]

Veleno is really really good...kid is a star in the making, amazing vision and control of the play, what seperates Couturier from being an elite level talent is his skating...in which Veleno has 10 folds on Couturier, Veleno is going to be an amazing talent

Logan Couture I meant not Sean Couturier. Couture is still a 60 + point Center with 70-80 pt potential. Wouldn't be such a bad thing if Veleno ends up like this. To say Stamkos level to me is a stretch. But Stamkos developed tremendously, don't know how many ppl saw him scoring 60 goals in the NHL when he was in junior. Anything is possible for sure.

 

[Hockeyfann]

The reporter talks about Veleno being with Brisson for a few weeks only.



Last winter, Petr Svoboda was representing Veleno. Then, the family turned to Pat Brisson, who represents stars like Tavares, Sidney Crosby, Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, and so on. Relations with Pat Brisson's team lasted a few weeks. Joseph Veleno is now represented by Philippe Lecavalier!

http://blogues.radio-canada.ca/blog...r-exceptionnel-est-elle-un-cadeau-empoisonne/

Family was never with Brisson. During the process of choosing another representative, they spoke with Brisson. Ended up choosing Lecavalier.

 

[Doorways]

I don't question his potential, I question wether he can handle the Q right now.

Long term maybe it's best, maybe it's not.

The criteria for EPS and surclass is dominate...

He didn't do that this year or last year.

Also, for those wondering..

Xavier Parent, one of the Poulins, not Samuel, and Xavier Simoneau will all play Midget AAA this coming season as underage players.

Parent had 49 points this year. Simoneau is supoosed to be able to push Parent.

Well said my concern is why everyone is pushing the envelope on players to be surclassed especially when they are not dominating the league even if they and they stay another year at that level and start dominating then I would bring them up on a game to game basis and ease the player in for the coming year either way if they are great players they will get to where they are supposed to be

It looks like everyone is in the rush

 

[PorkChopSandwiches]

I don't question his potential, I question wether he can handle the Q right now.

Long term maybe it's best, maybe it's not.

The criteria for EPS and surclass is dominate...

He didn't do that this year or last year.

Also, for those wondering..

Xavier Parent, one of the Poulins, not Samuel, and Xavier Simoneau will all play Midget AAA this coming season as underage players.

Parent had 49 points this year. Simoneau is supoosed to be able to push Parent.

I can only assume he gets called Simonac as a tease ...

 

[Hockey RUS]

I can only assume he gets called Simonac as a tease ...

Point being that there are alot of really good ones brewing in the system. The pandora's box of "exceptional" has been unleashed.

What has left a sour taste in people's mouth is the 11th hour timing. Those things always bring on suspicion. Maybe the bluff of going south was called and the kid certainly could not go back to his old team and someone bailed him out of the corner they were painted in.

 

[Doorways]

Point being that there are alot of really good ones brewing in the system. The pandora's box of "exceptional" has been unleashed.

What has left a sour taste in people's mouth is the 11th hour timing. Those things always bring on suspicion. Maybe the bluff of going south was called and the kid certainly could not go back to his old team and someone bailed him out of the corner they were painted in.

Bottom line is that she did write publicly that JV will not be returning to the lions organization. If anyone is to guess the mother and the handlers were basically granting her the draft

The going south was a ploy a diversion and a threat after all she was not interested in paying x amount of dollars to a U.S. Prep school

The bailing out was HQ and HC you cannot blame them after all did they start this machine but they sure cleaned it up they had no choice

And please do not tell us that she was getting a free ride because no one does they all pay something

I will say this shame on any parent that is using there children in sports to gain monetary advantage
There a few out there that's for sure

 

[JayKing]

Point being that there are alot of really good ones brewing in the system. The pandora's box of "exceptional" has been unleashed.

What has left a sour taste in people's mouth is the 11th hour timing. Those things always bring on suspicion. Maybe the bluff of going south was called and the kid certainly could not go back to his old team and someone bailed him out of the corner they were painted in.

But Veleno isn't the first to threaten going south. Heck, Crosby went to Shattucks, could've never came back and still didn't get exceptional status yet everybody and their mother knew how good he was. The kid is just a special hockey player and Hockey Canada recognized it. Now let him prove himself on the ice before writing him off.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

If there was a ranking right now, he'd be 1st over Wahlstrom, McIsaac, Wise and Emilio-Peterson. And that's some pretty good competition for a draft class that hasn't even been drafted in Major Junior yet.

Are you sure about this? I'd like too see this 2018 draft ranking?

 

[Hockey RUS]

I have a hard time imagining him going number 1 in an NHL draft let alone top ten.

A number 1 NHL pick would dominate Bantam AAA in his region. He did not. Cannot judge his Midget AAA year as I have said numerous times but, he did not dominate.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

If there was a ranking right now, he'd be 1st over Wahlstrom, McIsaac, Wise and Emilio-Peterson. And that's some pretty good competition for a draft class that hasn't even been drafted in Major Junior yet.

According to....you?

 

[Plastic Joseph]

I have a hard time imagining him going number 1 in an NHL draft let alone top ten.

A number 1 NHL pick would dominate Bantam AAA in his region. He did not. Cannot judge his Midget AAA year as I have said numerous times but, he did not dominate.

Seems a little unfair to knock him for not dominating bantam because he was instead one of the top scoring players in all of Midget AAA when he could have been playing Bantam (and please do not give me the phantom assist BS there is absolutely no proof), not to mention finished 2nd in scoring on team Quebec which was filled with Midget aged players and he was the only Bantam eligible player on that team.

Kid gets exceptional status into the Q, first player ever, and people start saying he will never be a #1 NHL pick and probably not even a top 10, based on how he did as a first year Bantam

 

[CRRhockey]

I think we need to keep this real. There were many phantom assists this year, but that is beside the point. The issue here is whether Joey is an EXCEPTIONAL talent. He is not. He is a very good player and will likely have a bright future ahead of him but by going to the Q with all this hype, he can only disappoint. Sean Day is a perfect example. Another year in MAAA would have been a good move for him.

 

[sharknado]

Seems a little unfair to knock him for not dominating bantam because he was instead one of the top scoring players in all of Midget AAA when he could have been playing Bantam (and please do not give me the phantom assist BS there is absolutely no proof), not to mention finished 2nd in scoring on team Quebec which was filled with Midget aged players and he was the only Bantam eligible player on that team.

Kid gets exceptional status into the Q, first player ever, and people start saying he will never be a #1 NHL pick and probably not even a top 10, based on how he did as a first year Bantam

He was on the first line with excellent players that kept feeding him. That is why he got the points. When he played on the third line with "ok" players, he got no points and he did not make his line mates better.

That to me is not exceptional.

With all the talk going on with this kid, the expectations are extremely high and no one is doing a good job at managing expectations. This is why he will be a flop.

I also garantee you that his mother will start another stink if Joe does not play on the top 6. I certainly hope not but she will quickly realize that the Q will bury Joe in the stands if he starts mouthing off like she did here in LSL.

 

[Hockeylover73]

Parent: 1st year in Bantam AAA: 49 points
Veleno: 1st year in Bantam AAA: 36 points

Parent: 1st year in Bantam AAA: 49 points (32 games)

Simoneau: 1st year in Bantam AAA: 48 points (27 games)

Veleno: 1st year in Bantam AAA: 36 points (27 games)

 

[Hockeylover73]

I don't question his potential, I question wether he can handle the Q right now.

Long term maybe it's best, maybe it's not.

The criteria for EPS and surclass is dominate...

He didn't do that this year or last year.

Also, for those wondering..

Xavier Parent, one of the Poulins, not Samuel, and Xavier Simoneau will all play Midget AAA this coming season as underage players.

Parent had 49 points this year. Simoneau is supoosed to be able to push Parent.

Last time i had news from them after the U-14 they did not take any decision yet about next year ... and i think that Simoneau can push Parent .. Parent made 49 points in 32 games and Simoneau did 48 points in 27 games.

They are not the same players at all ... but very good !!! cant wait to see them play together at U-15

 

[Lucky7]

You can compare their stats, but it can't be an argument, it was a different year in a different team, a lot can change.

 

[JeromeHP]

Last time i had news from them after the U-14 they did not take any decision yet about next year ... and i think that Simoneau can push Parent .. Parent made 49 points in 32 games and Simoneau did 48 points in 27 games.

They are not the same players at all ... but very good !!! cant wait to see them play together at U-15

Parent is still 5'6 and Simoneau is not that big either maybe 5'5 now ? From what i saw of the U14 Simoneau is ahead of Parent.Simoneau hockey sense is off the chart while Parents does a lot of damage because of his amazing skating abilities. Because of his size i think Poulin could be the best of those three.

 

[Hockeylover73]

Parent is still 5'6 and Simoneau is not that big either maybe 5'5 now ? From what i saw of the U14 Simoneau is ahead of Parent.Simoneau hockey sense is off the chart while Parents does a lot of damage because of his amazing skating abilities. Because of his size i think Poulin could be the best of those three.

Yep this is a good point ... Poulin is a big boy .. i think Simoneau is smaller then Parent .. hopefully they will grow this summer

 

[Doorways]

He was on the first line with excellent players that kept feeding him. That is why he got the points. When he played on the third line with "ok" players, he got no points and he did not make his line mates better.

That to me is not exceptional.

With all the talk going on with this kid, the expectations are extremely high and no one is doing a good job at managing expectations. This is why he will be a flop.

I also garantee you that his mother will start another stink if Joe does not play on the top 6. I certainly hope not but she will quickly realize that the Q will bury Joe in the stands if he starts mouthing off like she did here in LSL.

Mr Sharky

Since you have earned my respect your points are valid an exceptional player no matter which lines he plays on will make his wing men better in this case this did not happen
When he did play with exceptional players such as Theodore and dureandeau points were given , when placing these 2 players in any line they always did make the line much better unfortunately JV did not in fact he was very sluggish and he had a very difficult time even touching the puck

If anyone wants to make excuses about him recovering from an injury apparently this injury was manifested for whatever reasons one of them could of been what can you do without me the answer is what they did without you
Exceptional status should of not be given to him but HQ and HC were stuck in one hell
Of a marketing campaign where they had no choice but to supply a remedy and not look bad to the hockey world
This kid has his work panned out for him and to basically prove everyone wrong it will be difficult and if his mother does not stay away the Q will bury him in the stands now he has been given a opportunity

 

[Hockey RUS]

The amount of pressure on him is enormous. A non-francophone/lac st.louis/West island player is the first exceptional player for the Q!!!!

I really wonder the advice of putting him in the spotlight. This is a very talented player who I think would have been better out of the limelight.

 

[Colton2233]

How did Saint John get the 1st overall to draft him? 8 other teams had less points then Saint John... They also had the 9th and 10th picks. Is the Qmjhl draft somewhat different then a normal draft?

 

[Plastic Joseph]

How did Saint John get the 1st overall to draft him? 8 other teams had less points then Saint John... They also had the 9th and 10th picks. Is the Qmjhl draft somewhat different then a normal draft?

They traded with cb at Xmas for Drumondvilles first round pick which they had acquired earlier.

Drumondville then won the coin toss between he bottom 2 teams over Bathurst.