C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019, 1st, NJD) Part 6

[BusQuets]

Reminds me of Swedish Dahlin fans who went to Heiskanen thread when he thrived. Hughes gonna be a good one.

 

[Emperoreddy]

 

[Lepardi]

4 points in 2 preseason games, where he could have had 5 or 6 more points if the guys on the end of his passes had got their shot off a bit better

Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby could both have easily scored 400 points in a season if "the guys on the end of their passes had got their shots off a bit better". It's amazing how much NHL forwards could score if the opposing teams didn't have professional goaltenders.

 

[Hisch13r]

Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby could both have easily scored 400 points in a season if "the guys on the end of their passes had got their shots off a bit better". It's amazing how much NHL forwards could score if the opposing teams didn't have professional goaltenders.

Yes because the point he was making couldn't have just been that he was creating many great chances and didn't just get a couple lucky points

 

[Blender]

Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby could both have easily scored 400 points in a season if "the guys on the end of their passes had got their shots off a bit better". It's amazing how much NHL forwards could score if the opposing teams didn't have professional goaltenders.

You clearly didn't watch the game and have no frame of reference for the chances being referred to, but nice try as always.

 

[MtoD]

Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby could both have easily scored 400 points in a season if "the guys on the end of their passes had got their shots off a bit better". It's amazing how much NHL forwards could score if the opposing teams didn't have professional goaltenders.

Weird because Kakko hasn't scored any this pre-season despite also having playing time against non-professional goaltenders. Must mean he's not an NHL forward by your pitiful logic.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby could both have easily scored 400 points in a season if "the guys on the end of their passes had got their shots off a bit better". It's amazing how much NHL forwards could score if the opposing teams didn't have professional goaltenders.

I mean... Hall missed hit the side of the net with most of the net wide open and Simmonds missed an entirely open net because he wasn't ready for the pass. But yea, those pesky professional goalies.

 

[Lepardi]

Yes because the point he was making couldn't have just been that he was creating many great chances and didn't just get a couple lucky points

This "point" he was making wasn't exactly new to me. I've seen it with every quality prospect from Finland. According to Finnish fans they would always be scoring at least three assists per game if their linemates shot the puck properly. The problem with that "point" is that people who make these "he could have had 9 or 10 points in two games" comments have no clue of how probabilities work in professional hockey. He could have also had two or three points in those two games. That was a far more probable outcome than scoring nine or ten. Two points in two games is still a very good result.

 

[Oneiro]

This is just embarrassing now.

 

[Lepardi]

Weird because Kakko hasn't scored any this pre-season despite also having playing time against non-professional goaltenders. Must mean he's not an NHL forward by your pitiful logic.

I believe Jack Hughes and Kaapo Kakko will both have solid rookie seasons in the NHL, and I believe we'll get to read plenty of comments on what humongous point totals they'd have if guys like Taylor Hall, Wayne Simmonds, Artemi Panarin and Chris Kreider just shot the puck better. I'm also fairly sure that the Hughes and Kakko fans speculating on all of these missed assists will handily forget about all of the grade A scoring chances these guys will miss themselves, and how those missed chances will cost Panarin, Hall & co. a ton of assists. That's how it always goes.

 

[Hisch13r]

I mean... Hall missed hit the side of the net with most of the net wide open and Simmonds missed an entirely open net because he wasn't ready for the pass. But yea, those pesky professional goalies.

I couldn't believe Hall got set up 3 times (twice by Hughes) in about 10 seconds and couldn't score on any of them

 

[Blender]

I couldn't believe Hall got set up 3 times (twice by Hughes) in about 10 seconds and couldn't score on any of them

First preseason game. While his legs were fine last night, his timing was clearly off.

 

[Albatros]

That scrub only had 36 goals and 99 points last season. Jack is also as big or bigger than him already so...

We've already seen that he too causes a lot of turnovers, the team will have to adjust its style of play accordingly with others covering him defensively. Calgary did a decent job with it last season, but doing that with your 1C is going to be more of a challenge.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

We've already seen that he too causes a lot of turnovers, the team will have to adjust its style of play accordingly with others covering him defensively. Calgary did a decent job with it last season, but doing that with your 1C is going to be more of a challenge.

Your what now?

 

[Jerzey Devil]

We've already seen that he too causes a lot of turnovers, the team will have to adjust its style of play accordingly with others covering him defensively. Calgary did a decent job with it last season, but doing that with your 1C is going to be more of a challenge.

I don’t mind watching them win games 8-5.

 

[Lou is God]

Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby could both have easily scored 400 points in a season if "the guys on the end of their passes had got their shots off a bit better". It's amazing how much NHL forwards could score if the opposing teams didn't have professional goaltenders.

So we're down to dismissing scoring chances he created...I mean scoring chances only create things like goals and power plays.

 

[Lepardi]

I mean scoring chances only create things like goals and power plays.

They do but these "would have, could have, should have" point total fantasizers fail to realize that you generally need at least 30 scoring chances to score 10 goals. Yes, Jack Hughes could have scored 10 points. You could also get four of a kind in a single hand of Texas hold 'em. So what.

 

[MasterofGrond]

They do but these "would have, could have, should have" point total fantasizers fail to realize that you generally need at least 30 scoring chances to score 10 goals. Yes, Jack Hughes could have scored 10 points. You could also get four of a kind in a single hand of Texas hold 'em. So what.

So, your argument here seems to be *checks notes* creating excellent scoring chances does not matter.

 

[Auto Pilot]

This kid could go out break Sitlers record of points in a game opening night with 4 of those of those points being goals and people would still find a way to pick his game apart to make him sound like he’s not an impressive player with a ton of skill.

 

[Lou is God]

They do but these "would have, could have, should have" point total fantasizers fail to realize that you generally need at least 30 scoring chances to score 10 goals. Yes, Jack Hughes could have scored 10 points. You could also get four of a kind in a single hand of Texas hold 'em. So what.

So talking about the scoring chances he creates is being a "fantasizer"? Why is that again?

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Why he isn't Hughes on against Islanders?. Would of been nice to see him play against solid Islander roster.
Starting goalie, almost their top 6 D, 6 regular forwards; Eberle,Barzal,Kuhnhackl,Lee,Komarov, Dal Colle

<pitty>

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Why he isn't Hughes on against Islanders?. Would of been nice to see him play against solid Islander roster.
Starting goalie, almost their top 6 D, 6 regular forwards; Eberle,Barzal,Kuhnhackl,Lee,Komarov, Dal Colle

<pitty>

Probably because he sucks and they know he won’t be able to produce against actual nhl players. That is what you were going for isn’t it?

 

[Peasy]

Probably because he sucks and they know he won’t be able to produce against actual nhl players. That is what you were going for isn’t it?

@GeorgeLeafer12 said that Matthews will only be a 3C and would probably only get around 120 goals throughout his career. Matthews has 111 goals through his ELC. Just ignore him lol.

 

[goonybird]

stay on topic guys.

Hughes was my favourite player growing up

 

[JimEIV]

4 points in 2 preseason games, where he could have had 5 or 6 more points if the guys on the end of his passes had got their shot off a bit better. He's been the best player on the ice in both games he has played, but somehow that still isn't good enough because the goalposts are constantly being shifted by the Finnish contingent here.

Has he had giveaways? Yup.
Has he been terrible at faceoffs? Yup.
Has he been knocked off the puck by stronger players? Yup.

Guess what though? None of that is surprising in any way, everyone knew that it would go that way. The insane amount of skill and skating ability he possesses has been on full display here, and all people can do is nitpick at the obvious flaws everyone knew he would have and that many young players coming into the league have had. Anyone remember how horrendous Crosby was at faceoffs and defensive hockey in his rookie year? Patrik Kane was even worse and was also knocked off the puck plenty. They were both criticized plenty for their weaknesses in these areas, which is deserving for Hughes as well, but I don't recall anyone flooding the internet to trash them for their overall potential or ability because of it, or saying that they would never translate to the NHL.

I don't think he was terrible against the Rangers the other night in the faceoff dot...He was 42% that night, but the percentage is irrelevant to me, I thought he looked quick and more importantly strong in the battles in the circle.

Coming into this year I was skeptical of his size and strength, but seeing him this preseason has eased my mind a lot in that regard. There is still a long season and even the best of the best rookies tend to slow down after new year but I am really starting to believe that his size will not be an issue for him at all.

He sees things a step ahead and that will serve him well. The thing that has impressed me most was his ability to make a play when there was seemingly nothing there. That alone will allow him to see less physical abuse.

I bet he is going to be top 20 in giveaways this season among forwards. Or should I say I hope that is he is in the top 20 in turnovers...

Here are the top 20 centers in Giveaways last year....Can't give it away that much unless you always have the puck That's pretty damn good company.

Barzal
Larkin
McDavid
Malkin
Getzlaf
Eichel
Tavares
Domi
Barkov
Zibanejad
Duchene
Crosby
A.Matthews
R.Johansen
MacKinnon
S. Aho
L. Eller
Backstrom
Kuznetsov
Tierney