C Dylan Larkin (2014, 15th, DET)
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Paxon
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He's certainly up there. He possibly could have been the top forward taken in another draft but never a shoe-in to be so. Either way he wasn't seen as the level of prospect Eichel is. Reinhart went back not because he really had much to work on at the junior level but because he needs to add strength, especially to his legs to help his skating, which won't happen until the off-season. Drouin had to work on his overall game as well as having a chance to play center. Eichel doesn't have any of those glaring problems and is a better prospect than either.
Like I said, I'll never say never but it'd be shocking if his team sent him back. Between simply not being in the NHL next year and being in the NHL but loaned to WJC, I'd say the latter is more likely. Perhaps if he winds up on a team that's fairly decent at forward next year and isn't having a strong rookie season they'd consider it. I just don't see it happening. It's nothing to worry about though because Larkin + Mathews should be a really strong 1-2 punch. Hanifin, Werenski, and Carlo should be ready to be much bigger factors next year, giving the USA the kind of backend they've had when they've had WJC success.
Sheahan was on a 20-25-45 pace last season, but is a tad below it now - despite increased TOI including PP minutes. He is playing very well, but his production might be too little for a #2C on a contending team, which the Red Wings hopefully will be for a long time. Sheahan developed much better than many though (including me); the alcohol incident obviously motivated him even further. But unless he improves his production, I'd see him rather as a premier #3C.
This makes Larkin even more important. He has a long way ahead of him, but could be an extremely valuable asset eventually when Datsyuk and Zetterberg will inevitably regress. With his obvious hockey IQ and defensive abilities I expect him to become at least a #3C NHL player, notwithstanding his higher upside.
Throw in the wild card Athanasiou, and Detroit might have decent center depth in the future, which had often been named as an organizational weakness. But now I better stop before my hopes take full posession of me...
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I haven't looked at the stats in a while, just now realized that Sheahan has just 3 points in his last 16 games, I knew his scoring pace was higher a while ago, but the Wings entire offense went into a slump there for a while, hopefully he gets back on track.
I agree that he might be a better "#3" than a guy you can rely on as a consistent scorer from the top 6, but if guys like Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Mantha, Pulkkinen and other scoring wings can develop into offensive dynamos for this team for years, Sheahan (and Larkin even) don't NEED to be point per game type drivers of offense. It would be nice, but despite Sheahan falling off that 40-50 point pace, I still see him as a guy who can become a useful 2-way 40-50 point #2 center with second unit PP minutes.
All that said about Sheahan, Larkin is clearly the better prospect as an offensive center, but I still like Sheahan a lot as a player. He flashes offensively every so often that you can see his skill, he just doesn't seem to have "it all together" yet as a consistent NHL scorer. Larkin's scoring pace as a college freshman is very exciting, though.
This guy came out of the WJC with a serious chip on his shoulder. 3 points tonight (1+2) and it's still the first period. I think that makes 4 goals and 3 assists in his last 3 games.
edit: he ended up with 5 points on the night. That should make 5 goals and 4 assists in his last 3. I believe this moves him into the top 10 for NCAA scoring.
edit: he ended up with 5 points on the night. That should make 5 goals and 4 assists in his last 3. I believe this moves him into the top 10 for NCAA scoring.
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WesNichols14
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about .05% chance. basically they would have to feel like he will be in the NHL to start next year to do that. because if he plays at all with them then his college career is over.
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The way of the Red Wings is to be very patient with their prospects' development. I would be very surprised if we see Larkin as a regular in the NHL any time before 2017/18 season. Might have a few games in 2016/17 but very unlikely he plays next year at all.
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We have Mantha and Pulkkinen slated to be on the team next year probably, but in 16/17 there's not any prospect that looks to be more ready than Larkin. Doesn't mean he makes the team out of camp, but could be a main callup that season. Don't think they pull him out before next season is over either.
ricky0034
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Athanasiou runs out of waiver exemption for 16/17 doesn't he? could definitely see him being up at the start of that year if they don't trade him or something before then
Paxon
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He could play in the AHL. It'd signal he's ready to turn pro, not that he's ready for the NHL.
CaseyMitts37
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Johnny Gaudreau put up 44 points in 44 games his freshman year
Dylan Larkin has 25 points in 18 games so far in his freshman year
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AA's ELC runs through 16/17, in 17/18 he's in the same situation as Ferraro and Callahan this season.
Right. And Gaudreau's sophomore season was 51 points in 35 games, which is a very similar pace to Larkin's 25 points in 18 games so far this season, again, as a freshman. Larkin has been great so far this year, but he is also at least a few year away from the NHL because of how the Wings do things. I could see him playing games for Detroit as soon as the 2016-17 season though.
BTW, is there any rule about when he is eligible to play in the AHL? Can he leave Michigan and play in the AHL next season? I know as soon as he goes pro, he is ineligible to go back to college, right? If he can play in Grand Rapids next season, I would think the Wings would want him moved up to the next level ASAP. If he can't, I bet he goes back to Michigan for one more year.
Of course, this is all depending on how he finishes the season, how he plays next year, etc... The Wings have typically left their good college prospects in the NCAA for 3 seasons (Howard, Nyquist, Sheahan, Smith, Abdelkader, etc...) before moving them to the pros. I wouldn't be surprised to see Larkin pulled out of Michigan earlier than that.
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Its already been mentioned but hes already topping what Gadreau did at the same age by a decent amount. Thats if he finishes the season strong but over halfway through hes having a more impressive year. If you add onto that the fact that hes really good defensively, an elite PKer and hes looking quite better than Johnny hockey at the same age.
As a freshman, Nyquist was another one who did not put up these kind of numbers and is doing great in the NHL now.
Larkin is putting up stats you should be very excited about for a freshman
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It wouldn't surprise me if Larkin turned pro and joined the Griffins after his season ends...all the coaches talk about him is how much he loves the game and how he's out on the ice every chance he gets. I think because college plays so many fewer games than CHL or AHL that he might choose to move on. It's not a slight at college hockey as they do a tremendous job of developing players, just think he'll feel he's ready for the next step. I also think the Wings front office would welcome him coming to the AHL sooner than later. He really doesn't have much more to prove at the collegiate level if he keeps this up.
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He's been wanting to play in Michigan for like the past 5 years. I think he's going to at least give it one more season. I predict he'll spend two more seasons at Michigan, then one in Grand Rapids. The Wings will have room from him in the top 6 then.
HighLifeMan
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Jordan Schroeder put up 45 points in 35 games during his draft year.
What does it all mean? Not a whole lot if you ask me..
Larkin has had a hell of a start, but to this point he definitely appears to be overachieving statistically, and we have to keep in mind it is only 18 games. If he can sustain and improve on his numbers over the next year or so then he the expectation should become that he has the ability to translate that offensive game to the pro ranks.
I think there is very little doubt about whether or not he will be an NHL player, but I think it is still fair to question his offensive upside at this moment in time. I would hope he spends at the very least one more year in college, and then one in the AHL.
Jordan Schroeder put up 45 points in 35 games during his draft year.
What does it all mean? Not a whole lot if you ask me..
Larkin has had a hell of a start, but to this point he definitely appears to be overachieving statistically, and we have to keep in mind it is only 18 games. If he can sustain and improve on his numbers over the next year or so then he the expectation should become that he has the ability to translate that offensive game to the pro ranks.
I think there is very little doubt about whether or not he will be an NHL player, but I think it is still fair to question his offensive upside at this moment in time. I would hope he spends at the very least one more year in college, and then one in the AHL.
How so? By what measure?
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HighLifeMan
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Based on his previous numbers, his skillset, and a few scouting reports leading up to the draft that questioned his offensive upside. That's just my opinion, but I don't think it's an outrageous claim.
He has always been more of a goalscorer, and his 17 assists to date are a definite surprise.
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