C Dylan Larkin (2014, 15th, DET)
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detredWINgs
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If he stays there for 2 or 3 years, he can finish his degree through summer classes if he really wants to. That's what Petry is doing at Michigan State (although he has more time off during the summer than many NHLers do
) and a few other guys around the league are doing the same from what I understand.
What previous numbers do you mean? Because his NTDP numbers were quite good. 30 goals playing on the second line/second PP. Remember, this is a guy who's had to play second fiddle to Eichel for years. This is the first season in a while where he's been the top dog on his team.
and it's not particularly fair to say "his skillset" when exactly what his skillset is is up for debate. Besides, I could just say that we saw his skillset at the WJC and it was darn good.
I don't understand where you are getting previous numbers, but at least you admitted you don't watch him play. If your only numbers are from last year where he had 6 more goals than assists, don't forget that Eichel got both of team U.S.A's premier wingers while Larkin's wingers were pretty meh. His primary weapon is his speed which is how he creates most of his scoring opportunities, whether it be taking the puck to the net himself, or driving wide and looking for the open teammate. Most of his assists come from rebounds or him passing the puck from behind the net (after driving wide on the rush).
Now I'm not saying his offense projects great to the NHL as he won't get as much space driving wide, but baring a philosophical change in the system at Michigan, I don't see Larkin's numbers dipping much. He is almost always Michigan's most dangerous forward.
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Yeah but things change...I doubt he even thought he would excel as much as he has so early. And I'm sure he has dreamed of playing in the NHL as well. Before the season started I also thought 2-3 years at UM was likely but I just think he's accelerated his process with the year he's having. I think Helm is gone in free agency after next season, and Z will probably be moved to wing permanently by that time so there could be a 3C spot open for Larkin to step into should he excel in GR.
Looks to me like he's just improved. He was the best player for the US at the World Juniors on a team that featured Jack Eichel. No small feat.
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I really dont see the wings pulling him out of Michigan this season. Its just not how they do things and they will want some extra time on his ELC probably. I think the wings center depth might not allow him to come out early. Dats, Z, Sheahan, Weiss and Glendening are all gonna be arond for a bit. No point in putting him in GR early and wasting his ELC when he might not get any NHL time.
With his current scoring pace and complete, mature game already theres no way he stays more than 2 seasons in the NCAA. If he slows down next year maybe he stays a third but I really really doubt that
With his current scoring pace and complete, mature game already theres no way he stays more than 2 seasons in the NCAA. If he slows down next year maybe he stays a third but I really really doubt that
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The #B1G Three Stars: @umichhockey's Larkin (1st), @PennStateMHKY's Goodwin (2nd) and @GopherHockey's Boyd (3rd)
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/012015aaa.html
The #B1G Three Stars: @umichhockey's Larkin (1st), @PennStateMHKY's Goodwin (2nd) and @GopherHockey's Boyd (3rd)
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/012015aaa.html
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I don't think the Wings would push him to it but if he came to them and said I wanna turn pro you think they would tell him no? I sure don't. Pav is gone in 2.5 years, Z will likely be moved permanently to wing, Weiss is not a center anymore (at least not in Babcock's mind) and is also likely gone in 3 years. So in 3 years we could be looking at Sheahan and Glendening as our only two centers. I think the Wings would like to know what they have in Larkin and Athanasiou at the NHL level before then.
The Red Wings have never made a decision about a prospect's future based on what could happen three years down the road. I believe if Larkin wanted to turn pro after this season, which I don't think he does anyway, the Red Wings would tell him to at least play one more season in Michigan. Datsyuk could always return after his contract is up. Helm can always move into the center position if he's re-signed. Zetterberg can still play center. There's always second-line centers in free agency.
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You are correct... the handful of times I have seen him play have been at the international level. I never made any definitive statements or declared that he has a limited offensive upside at the next level.
The numbers I am using are from his tenure with the national program, which were always good, but never elite or as dominant as his success early on this season. I don't get the issues that a few of you are having with my claim that he has exceeded expectations to date. That is a good thing, and if he can keep it up (which it certainly appears he can), then that's even better.
I just think the talks about Larkin turning pro already and comparing him to the likes of Johhny Gaudreau (offensively) are a tad premature.
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It's not unprecedented for Wings to put a young kid in the AHL as Tatar went to to GR as an 18 year old. However, most of our prospects don't get accelerated because we don't usually have high end prospects. We mostly have guys that need the full time to develop. Larkin is showing he's ready for the next step at an earlier stage and he's probably the most talented all around prospect we've had in decades.
One of the things the Wings say about often about their prospect development is they want their prospects to be challenged but not overwhelmed. They don't have the luxury of pulling CHL prospects out after one season and putting them in the AHL, if they did you might see them do it on occasion. They do have that luxury with Larkin though and he's definitely ready for it imo.
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They'd only move him out of Michigan if there was a chance he'd make the Red Wings, which we know isn't possible for at least another two seasons. They'll want him to be the leader for Michigan and Team USA next season. It'll be good for his development. The Red Wings have enough center depth for a couple more years that they don't need to rush him to the pro game.
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You may be right, I'm def not saying it's a certainty he will leave after one year, just that it wouldn't surprise me if he did. I'd put it at 50/50...we shall see.
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Nah, they'd like to give him time to adjust to the pro game. Another year at Michigan, one in the AHL, then on to the show
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Yeah and because of the fact he can do the little things like PK great, I would think in his AHL season he would get a solid number of NHL call ups, then full time the year after
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I don't think he is going to turn pro. I do think they will actually have a discussion with him about it though. If Larkin had his heart set on turning pro, they might be convinced to let him do it. He is mature enough that dialogue will likely take place.
I cannot envision him doing the standard Junior year that most Wings guys do. Anything beyond his Sophomore year would surprise me. Would put the odds at 80/20 he is at U of M next year, in terms of the Team USA angle he would likely be loaned out regardless of where he was in the organization for it next year to Captain that squad.
I cannot envision him doing the standard Junior year that most Wings guys do. Anything beyond his Sophomore year would surprise me. Would put the odds at 80/20 he is at U of M next year, in terms of the Team USA angle he would likely be loaned out regardless of where he was in the organization for it next year to Captain that squad.
I don't think they'll sign him this early. The Wings philosophy has always been to put a guy in the best possible situation and then let him learn to dominate. Even as well as Larkin has played, he has a bunch of areas where he can improve. If he can become a better finisher, he can truly destroy college hockey competition because he generates a ton of chances. I don't think that's a skillset problem so much as a time and maturity thing. I also think Larkin would benefit from being able to be more of a leadership guy as a sophomore, especially since he'll be the cornerstone of that team next year. I'm sure he wants to come back, lead that team, and possibly captain the US team at the WJC. I think the Wings would be inclined to let him.
and as much as I dislike the implication, Larkin will have to prove that he isn't a product of Zach Hyman's fantastic Hobey Baker-esque senior year.
But there are other factors. If the academics thing isn't going so well, he could always go pro. and if he's overwhelmingly good at development camp in the summertime, they could talk turkey. But in the absence of those things, I think he'll stay at least for another year.
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I don't think anyone believes that? If anything it should be the opposite.
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Obviously not, he's still in the middle of his season. Is someone saying they think the wings will sign him this early?
I meant "after one year" as "this early". Because it's very early for the Wings.
and also because that was what we were discussing...
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He's not at all, I dunno if you get to watch UM but it's abundantly clear Larkin drives that line. Hyman's production always left a lot to be desired...Larkin shows up and Hyman is all of a sudden a 1.5 PPG player? Hyman will need to prove he can play without Larkin much more so than the other way around.
It's kind of frustrating because Berenson kinda keeps Larkin in check imo. It seems like he doesn't want Larkin to get too high on himself or something. His line is without a doubt the best line UM has yet Berenson never gives them more minutes than the other two top lines. He has Larkin on PP2 even though he's better than Copp and Compher and whoever else they have out there on PP1. I dunno he just seems to limit Larkin's opportunities...not many coaches do that with their best player.
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