C Cutter Gauthier - (2022, 5th, PHI; traded to ANA)

[GettingYourMoms]

Waaaah waah i want to Disneyland whaaa, waaah!

 

[bigdog16]

Never said they didn’t matter, but you said he dominated. Are you saying the only way a player can dominate is by producing points? If so, that must also mean players who don’t score are incapable of dominating.

The burden of proof that Gauthier dominated the WJC is on you. Too many of us in this thread have followed the sport long enough to know a guy can stat pad and still look like shit. And go ask Rangers fans about Mika Zibanejad. Easily the most criticized top-six forward on a good team, and he has 39 points in 39 games.

You are just arguing semantics. Im not insinuating that points are the end all be all but they are a major contributor to if they are playing well or not. Im not sure what you are trying to argue with Zib. Ranger fans get pised because he has shown in long stretched what he is capable of. And when he goes in 10 game stints where he looks like shit thats when he is criticized

 

[FlyguyOX]

It would be illogical, but we've seen far more illogical decisions from teams in this league. It's not unprecedented for a team to play hardball with an RFA to the point where it becomes unreasonable.

Honestly I could see either scenario making sense, though I agree the 10 game issue is probably more likely. But even then, I would gladly give him the games to make sure he becomes a Flyer - its not like they were in the playoff hunt.

We have lots of other young players further in their development we needed to evaluate.

Like I said, kid has a terrible perspective and attitude

Adam Fox did the exact same thing, people just cared a lot less because it was Carolina

No a ton of people looked down on it equally

 

[FlyguyOX]

What? He did tell them, the Flyers whole org has said he told them he didn't want to play there. Their chairman was on tv last night saying how Cutter's camp was up front with them the whole time. He did tell them, not his fault they kept sending messengers up there, what does he owe Patrick Sharp and John LeClair?

We live in a world… holy cow

If you told a team you were done with them, and then they send messengers to surprise you without you having your "advisor" there, I'd not take the meeting either, and I'd view it as an attempt to strong arm me into a meeting I didn't want to have.

Then you’re equally immature lmao

 

[Steve Kournianos]

You are just arguing semantics. Im not insinuating that points are the end all be all but they are a major contributor to if they are playing well or not. Im not sure what you are trying to argue with Zib. Ranger fans get pised because he has shown in long stretched what he is capable of. And when he goes in 10 game stints where he looks like shit thats when he is criticized

Playing well or dominating are two different takeaways. If someone asked me on the street to give them a quick rundown of Gauthier’s WJC, I’d say he stat-padded against lesser teams and was good on draws but struggled with his decision-making, with all being obvious to the onlooker.

 

[bigdog16]

Playing well or dominating are two different takeaways. If someone asked me on the street to give them a quick rundown of Gauthier’s WJC, I’d say he stat-padded against lesser teams and was good on draws but struggled with his decision-making, with all being obvious to the onlooker.

Its also extremely subjective.

 

[MXD]

Its also extremely subjective.

Which is exactly what someone who understands f***all at hockey would say.

 

[Just Linda]

Which is exactly what someone who understands f***all at hockey would say.

Oh, you have an objective definition of dominating then?

 

[Heldig]

Ya I just don't see any difference to what Cutter did to what Adam Fox, Blake Wheeler, Kevin Hayes, Frederik Andersen. Fox did it to 2 teams and he didn't get nearly the blowback, it's wild

I recall a lot of blowback for most of those guys.

 

[MXD]

Oh, you have an objective definition of dominating then?

Your question has been duly noted.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Playing well or dominating are two different takeaways. If someone asked me on the street to give them a quick rundown of Gauthier’s WJC, I’d say he stat-padded against lesser teams and was good on draws but struggled with his decision-making, with all being obvious to the onlooker.

Massively low hockey IQ player, he's bullied smaller kids his whole life. He has a wonderful shot, that's about it and it's not like he potted goals at will at the WJC, he was def a passenger. I have no idea what Drysdale even is or will be, but I'm completely fine that Cutter was traded, it's not like he anywhere near Michkov or top tier prospect. Way too many holes in his game and red flags when it comes to IQ and intelligence with the puck on his stick.

Its also extremely subjective.

Did you actually watch the WJC or have you watched hundreds of hours of him at BC? This is spot on btw, you're clueless.

 

[Kalv]

Massively low hockey IQ player, he's bullied smaller kids his whole life. He has a wonderful shot, that's about it and it's not like he potted goals at will at the WJC, he was def a passenger. I have no idea what Drysdale even is or will be, but I'm completely fine that Cutter was traded, it's not like he anywhere near Michkov or top tier prospect. Way too many holes in his game and red flags when it comes to IQ and intelligence with the puck on his stick.


Did you actually watch the WJC or have you watched hundreds of hours of him at BC? This is spot on btw, you're clueless.

Then the Flyers are extremely dumb drafting a player like that 5th overall. At least the Ducks traded for him AFTER he had decent Worlds and WJC's

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

Oh, you have an objective definition of dominating then?

I'll try:
A fully engaged player making all the right plays- relative to the situation- on both sides of the ice to the point that it makes the other team's players look noticeably inferior in quality.

 

[bigdog16]

Which is exactly what someone who understands f***all at hockey would say.

I can promise you that I played at a higher level of hockey than you, for what it's worth.

Massively low hockey IQ player, he's bullied smaller kids his whole life. He has a wonderful shot, that's about it and it's not like he potted goals at will at the WJC, he was def a passenger. I have no idea what Drysdale even is or will be, but I'm completely fine that Cutter was traded, it's not like he anywhere near Michkov or top tier prospect. Way too many holes in his game and red flags when it comes to IQ and intelligence with the puck on his stick.


Did you actually watch the WJC or have you watched hundreds of hours of him at BC? This is spot on btw, you're clueless.

Flyers fans are great. If none of this ever happens then you guys are still singing the tune that he was awesome at the WJC and a top 10 prospect in the league.

 

[hockey20000]

I agree that they should have given him the 10 games.

Was listening to a Seravelli interview and he said that they talked to 18-20 teams about him and that Cutter told them he wouldn’t sign with those other 12–14.

lol being unsigned 5th overall draftpick and never played a game telling 12-14 teams he wont sign for them jesus I would of stayed away from this kid with a 10 foot pole to much of a diva

 

[Random Forest]

I can promise you that I played at a higher level of hockey than you, for what it's worth.


Flyers fans are great. If none of this ever happens then you guys are still singing the tune that he was awesome at the WJC and a top 10 prospect in the league.

To be fair, a lot of Flyers fans on here were not big Gauthier fans going all the way back to his draft. The criticisms are not inconsistent – I’ve had plenty of arguments with his critics over it. I personally never thought those criticisms of Gauthier were major impediments to his potential and still don’t, but they are not arguing in bad faith here.

The critiques are real observations of his game, but they’re also the things that make him an elite player. He’s the kind of player that just doesn’t carry the puck very much. He attacks by finding space and releasing the puck shortly after it hits his stick. That makes him seem invisible or disengaged for stretches compared to a player that’s able to attack the neutral zone with speed or establish sustained possession with the puck on his stick in the offensive zone — that’s not Gauthier. If he tried to be that player, he wouldn’t be leaning into his elite skills. He’s a rare player who can score regularly from low danger areas, so it’s not clear to me why you wouldn’t want him to shoot from low danger areas, even if sometimes it seems like a “low IQ“ play or whatever.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Then the Flyers are extremely dumb drafting a player like that 5th overall. At least the Ducks traded for him AFTER he had decent Worlds and WJC's

It was always a risky pick that was highly criticized among flyers fans.

Flyers fans are great. If none of this ever happens then you guys are still singing the tune that he was awesome at the WJC and a top 10 prospect in the league.

You really didn't see the flyers fandom rhetoric around him during the tournament. He was highly criticized to the point flyers writers had to point out his point totals and such.

 

[thedjpd]

I can promise you that I played at a higher level of hockey than you, for what it's worth.


Flyers fans are great. If none of this ever happens then you guys are still singing the tune that he was awesome at the WJC and a top 10 prospect in the league.

Yeah, no. If there's one thing additional to the organizational hatred among Flyers fans here at HF, it's their universal alliance on questioning both the pick and his ability and what his actual ceiling is.

This is not a function of the trade and can be easily found out even if you just browse the recent WJC thread on their forum where I was one primarily defending that he's not a finished product at 19. But the criticisms are documented and well deserved. The question has always been will he overcome them?

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Massively low hockey IQ player, he's bullied smaller kids his whole life. He has a wonderful shot, that's about it and it's not like he potted goals at will at the WJC, he was def a passenger. I have no idea what Drysdale even is or will be, but I'm completely fine that Cutter was traded, it's not like he anywhere near Michkov or top tier prospect. Way too many holes in his game and red flags when it comes to IQ and intelligence with the puck on his stick.


Did you actually watch the WJC or have you watched hundreds of hours of him at BC? This is spot on btw, you're clueless.

He will be playing with one of Carlsson, McTavish, or Zegras. Literally all he will need to do is have his stick on the ice and shoot and he will score 3x as many goals as any player on our current roster.

 

[93LEAFS]

We live in a world… holy cow


Then you’re equally immature lmao

If you told a team to not contact you, and then they try to contact you without your representation there, you don't owe them a meeting. Especially, when they are trying to change your mind. That's why you have representation. That's a simple reality. It's actually unprofessional of Philly to try to meet with him behind his representations back after he told them not to contact him.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

If you told a team to not contact you, and then they try to contact you without your representation there, you don't owe them a meeting. Especially, when they are trying to change your mind. That's why you have representation. That's a simple reality. It's actually unprofessional of Philly to try to meet with him behind his representations back after he told them not to contact him.

Yep. It’s extremely unprofessional of Philadelphia and it’s not exclusive to hockey. Make it a corporate setting - the same applies.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If you told a team to not contact you, and then they try to contact you without your representation there, you don't owe them a meeting. Especially, when they are trying to change your mind. That's why you have representation. That's a simple reality. It's actually unprofessional of Philly to try to meet with him behind his representations back after he told them not to contact him.

100% agreed. Management teams shouldn't expect free access to their unsigned players. Agents exist for a reason.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

He will be playing with one of Carlsson, McTavish, or Zegras. Literally all he will need to do is have his stick on the ice and shoot and he will score 3x as many goals as any player on our current roster.

I don’t doubt it, I just think the trade was a good hockey trade, overall, I don’t think anyone will actually win this trade unless the flyers get crazy lucky with the 2nd rounder. But hey maybe I’m wrong maybe all the hours I’ve watched Gauthier play are not what I thought he develops into a star or something then Anaheim wins. Who knows man

 

[FlyguyOX]

Lol Leclair and Sharp wern't there to negotiate jfc, merely to say hey what's up man good game. Ya'll are crazy.

 

[Sean Garrity]

If that’s the case then Verbeek was an idiot to include a pick. Or he really wanted to moved from Drysdale…

Why? He’s negotiating against 18-20 other teams, he likely had to include the pick or there’s the possibility Philly takes a better offer from elsewhere.