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C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) VI

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HeavyHitter99 said:
If he has a worse ppg than any other forward 1st overall pick in the last 10-15 years then that would be a complete disappointment. He should easily be able to get more than all the other 1st picks the last 9 seasons especially with all the talent around him. 45 would be awful.
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Yeah, if we're hearing as good as Crosby then he should be a PPG player from the get go. Anything less than 65 points should be a disappointment. We'll also have to wait and see which coach they go with and how their game calling would effect McDavid's TOI.
 
Thebesthockey said:
you are all right...he will be given a FREE path to the net , free to do what he wants , with all the time in the world in NHL :shakehead:shakehead

give the kid a break....you would probably think a rookie 50 point season is a bust :help:
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Many who have watched the kid think he is that good. That's no reason for you to be all sarcastic.Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin all became instant top 50 players. I think it's an easy bet he's in the top 50. He might even crack the top 20.
 
I feel bad for this kid. He is gonna be considered a bust if he doesnt light it up asap. I think he is a great talent and has potential to eventually take the league by storm but remember there are Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, RNH, etc that will all want/need themselves to have huge point totals too. Scoring will be spread amongst them all. Thats why I am not predicting an insame amount of points by McDavid next season.

Who knows, maybe I will be wrong and he does put up a huge amount of points. But that would most likely mean 2 or 3 of those above mentioned have low scoring seasons and people consider them as dissapointments. But I guess then in that case trades can be made.
 
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Skinnyjimmy08 said:
I feel bad for this kid. He is gonna be considered a bust if he doesnt light it up asap. I think he is a great talent and has potential to eventually take the league by storm but remember there are Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, RNH, etc that will all want/need themselves to have huge point totals too. Scoring will be spread amongst them all. Thats why I am not predicting an insame amount of points by McDavid next season
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What? All those players besides Yakupov have proven they can put up numbers. McDavid will likely be centering Hall and Yakupov so he should easily be able to get lots of points. The scoring won't be spread out, I gaurentee it'll be 2 scoring lines lines. No excuses to not perform up to expectations.
 
HeavyHitter99 said:
What? All those players besides Yakupov have proven they can put up numbers. McDavid will likely be centering Hall and Yakupov so he should easily be able to get lots of points. The scoring won't be spread out, I gaurentee it'll be 2 scoring lines lines. No excuses to not perform up to expectations.
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So what type of point toals are you predicting for those guys next year? RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yak, Schultz, McDavid.. actually wondering, not being sarcastic
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
So what type of point toals are you predicting for those 5 next year? RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yak, McDavid
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Hall will return to +ppg like he has the past 2 of 3 seasons. Assuming he's not slowed by injuries again.

Eberle was top 5 in points in 2015 once Eakins was gone but I expect 70-75 easily (his last season without idiot coaching he got 76 points)

Nuge put up great numbers too once we got a real coach but I'll be safe and predict 65-70 points

I'm hoping this is the year Yakupov returns to rookie season form (when he put up the offensive numbers of a 1st overall). ~55 points would be nice.

Pouliot will likely with Nuge and Ebs so I will say 45-55 points.

Schultz I'm hoping actually makes the jump into offensive dman numbers with ~45

McDavid has destroyed everything this year and has been hyped as the next Crosby for 5 years now. If Mackinnon can get 63 then McDavid should easily get ~70 points. Especially with a +ppg winger next to him.
 
HeavyHitter99 said:
Hall will return to +ppg like he has the past 2 of 3 seasons. Assuming he's not slowed by injuries again.

Eberle was top 5 in points in 2015 once Eakins was gone but I expect 70-75 easily (his last season without idiot coaching he got 76 points)

Nuge put up great numbers too once we got a real coach but I'll be safe and predict 65-70 points

I'm hoping this is the year Yakupov returns to rookie season form (when he put up the offensive numbers of a 1st overall). ~55 points would be nice.

Pouliot will likely with Nuge and Ebs so I will say 45-55 points.

Schultz I'm hoping actually makes the jump into offensive dman numbers with ~45

McDavid has destroyed everything this year and has been hyped as the next Crosby for 5 years now. If Mackinnon can get 63 then McDavid should easily get ~70 points. Especially with a +ppg winger next to him.
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So you are saying roughly that they should get next year...

Hall-82pts. atleast
Eberle-75pts. atleast
RNH- 70pts.
Yakupov-55pts.
Pouliot-55pts.
Schultz45pts.
McDavid-70pts. atleast

I think that is an extreme reach forsure. Last season only 7 NHL teams had 2 players with more than 70 points on the same team and I believe no teams had 3 guys over 70. And this prediction for a very low scoring team for years and 5th lowest last season, has 4 guys over 70 next year.

I like the teams potential one day but I dont think the teams scoring will be nearly as high as you think.

So thats why Im saying either the points will be spread amongst them all and be lower or else 2 or 3 will get good numbers and the others will have very average numbers
 
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I think McDavid has the potential to outscore Hall next year. Hall will probably be right around a point per game.

It's funny...after watching both Otters games and NHL playoffs games, it's so apparent that McDavid's skill level is much higher than the average NHLer. His development trajectory is shooting up like a rocket right now as well. Was hoping to see Erie lose so that we'd get to see him at the World Championships, but it looks like McDavid doesn't want to let that happen.
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
So you are saying roughly that they should get next year...

Hall-82pts. atleast
Eberle-75pts. atleast
RNH- 70pts.
Yakupov-55pts.
Pouliot-55pts.
Schultz45pts.
McDavid-70pts. atleast

I think that is an extreme reach forsure. Last season only 7 NHL teams had 2 players with more than 70 points on the same team and I believe no teams had 3 guys over 70. And this prediction for a very low scoring team for years and 5th lowest last season, has 4 guys over 70 next year.

I like the teams potential one day but I dont think the teams scoring will be nearly as high as you think
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Well hall has proven multiple times that he can do it.

Ebs did it before Eakins and after Eakins.

RNH's ppg has improved every season since the lockout

Yakupov needs to finally take the next step and become the offensive player we drafted and saw in his rookie season. 55 points shouldn't be crazy.

Pouliot at 55 is a major stretch. 40-45 is probably more fair.

Schultz often hovers around .5 ppg so I'm just hoping for a slight improvement

I know what you are saying that no team had more than 2 70 point players but no team has this much offensive talent. We are adding a generational talent to an extremely gifted top 6. If we don't expect improvement from our young players then they aren't developing. Almost all the predictions I made involve the players already putting up better ppgs than that in their career. The only unfair prediction was Pouliots. All while being a bottom 2 team consistently, if we improve our D and get more offense from the back end then these totals shouldn't be a stretch at all.

You also have to factor in injuries. Hall will miss time for sure. Also factor in other teams injuries as to why not more teams had 70 point players. But we are also a more gifted team than any other.
 
HeavyHitter99 said:
Well hall has proven multiple times that he can do it.

Ebs did it before Eakins and after Eakins.

RNH's ppg has improved every season since the lockout

Yakupov needs to finally take the next step and become the offensive player we drafted and saw in his rookie season. 55 points shouldn't be crazy.

Pouliot at 55 is a major stretch. 40-45 is probably more fair.

Schultz often hovers around .5 ppg so I'm just hoping for a slight improvement

I know what you are saying that no team had more than 2 70 point players but no team has this much offensive talent. We are adding a generational talent to an extremely gifted top 6. If we don't expect improvement from our young players then they aren't developing. Almost all the predictions I made involve the players already putting up better ppgs than that in their career. The only unfair prediction was Pouliots. All while being a bottom 2 team consistently, if we improve our D and get more offense from the back end then these totals shouldn't be a stretch at all.

You also have to factor in injuries. Hall will miss time for sure. Also factor in other teams injuries as to why not more teams had 70 point players. But we are also a more gifted team than any other.
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Thats a very bold statement I feel for a team that has extremely underperformed for some years now. I can think of quite a few more teams that I feel are way more gifted.

Back to the opening question though, I think we need to wait to see when season starts before we rank a kid in top 50 in NHL while he is still playng junior
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
Thats a very bold statement I feel for a team that has extremely underperformed for some years now. I can think of quite a few more teams that I feel are way more gifted.

Back to the opening question though, I think we need to wait to see when season starts before we rank a kid in top 50 in NHL while he is still playng junior
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By gifted I mean pure offensive talent and there isn't really any other teams that are more talented. Unfortunately talent alone doesn't win games. We need 2 way play, defense, proper coaching and goaltending. We get these things and I guarentee players will not under perform. A team with 4 first overall picks and a 3rd overall pick + Eberle has unquestionable offensive talent up front. But the game is more than that.

But back to the topic. McDavid should out perform every 1st overall pick since 2006 except maybe Patty Kane.
 
HeavyHitter99 said:
By gifted I mean pure offensive talent and there isn't really any other teams that are more talented. Unfortunately talent alone doesn't win games. We need 2 way play, defense, proper coaching and goaltending. We get these things and I guarentee players will not under perform. A team with 4 first overall picks and a 3rd overall pick + Eberle has unquestionable offensive talent up front. But the game is more than that.

But back to the topic. McDavid should out perform every 1st overall pick since 2006 except maybe Patty Kane.
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DEFINATELY dont agree. 25 other teams scored more goals than the Oilers this season. I think they are actually one of the lowest offensively talented teams in the league. Sure they have guys that were real high picks and were purely offensive in junior, but that means nothing if they cant put up points in NHL.
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
DEFINATELY dont agree. 25 other teams scored more goals than the Oilers this season. I think they are actually one of the lowest offensively talented teams in the league. Sure they have guys that were real high picks and were purely offensive in junior, but that means nothing if they cant put up points in NHL.
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Because depth doesn't score

Hall is a ppg player, eberle a 65-70 point guy (76 point high) and rnh developing into a straight up beast.

Away from Eakins rnh and eberle were among the hottest forwards in 2015
 
topchowda said:
Because depth doesn't score

Hall is a ppg player, eberle a 65-70 point guy (76 point high) and rnh developing into a straight up beast.

Away from Eakins rnh and eberle were among the hottest forwards in 2015
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Exactly and add in Yakupov who has all the talent a player could ask for, McDavid and Draisatl.
 
Skinnyjimmy08 said:
DEFINATELY dont agree. 25 other teams scored more goals than the Oilers this season. I think they are actually one of the lowest offensively talented teams in the league. Sure they have guys that were real high picks and were purely offensive in junior, but that means nothing if they cant put up points in NHL.
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You're kidding me right? Talent doesn't mean purely goals. Having a plethora of talent and skill doesn't equate to great NHL success. Just ask Robbie Schremp, no one could ask for more skill than him. Unfortunately you need more than skill, he lacked good skating. You also need 2 way ability, grit and the ability to adapt. Exactly they were purely offensive in junior because of their skill and offensive talent but that doesn't mean Lucic can't be a better producer at the NHL. He has other abilities that make him an offensive threat besides pure offensive talent. Make sense?

In the 2005/2006 season Smyth scored more goals than Jumbo Joe and almost as many as Crosby. Does that mean he is as talented? **** no. Raffi ****ing Torres scored almost as many as Jumbo Joe... Is he almost as talented? **** no.

What do you mean can't put up points? Hall has been +ppg and Ebs has been damn close to ppg. There's a difference between talent and NHL success and you don't realize that. I never said out team scored the most goals, I said our top 6 is the most talented. Talent doesn't mean most goals and points in the league. Hence Robbie Schremp.

Also we have no bottom 6 forward scoring and no offense from the back end so you should think of that when asking yourself why Hall is only a +ppg player and Ebs is only an ~70 point player.

To sum it up TALENT DOESN'T EQUATE TO AUTOMATiC SUCCESS AND POiNTS. So don't say we aren't talented because we don't lead the league in goals. You need more than 6 players to do that.
 
topchowda said:
Because depth doesn't score

Hall is a ppg player, eberle a 65-70 point guy (76 point high) and rnh developing into a straight up beast.

Away from Eakins rnh and eberle were among the hottest forwards in 2015
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I actually thought the depth was just fine... I am fine with Pouliot, Purcell, Roy, etc putting up the points they did. I am actually quite more concerned with the leading scorer on this team only having 63 points and then the next guy having 56 points and then nobody else finishing the season with over 38 points. I really don't understand why nobody wants to hold the players that are supposed to score accountable. Its always the role players and coaches and management that gets blamed and fans making excuses for why the stars don't do well.

I am not trying to start trouble at all, cause I have already said that I would be perfectly happy seeing Edmonton win the cup, but I just don't get why these stars don't get ragged on. They need to get their butt's in gear big time. I guess I am just frustrated because this team has the tools to be great but it just isn't happening.
 
HeavyHitter99 said:
You're kidding me right? Talent doesn't mean purely goals. Having a plethora of talent and skill doesn't equate to great NHL success. Just ask Robbie Schremp, no one could ask for more skill than him. Unfortunately you need more than skill, he lacked good skating. You also need 2 way ability, grit and the ability to adapt. Exactly they were purely offensive in junior because of their skill and offensive talent but that doesn't mean Lucic can't be a better producer at the NHL. He has other abilities that make him an offensive threat besides pure offensive talent. Make sense?

In the 2005/2006 season Smyth scored more goals than Jumbo Joe and almost as many as Crosby. Does that mean he is as talented? **** no. Raffi ****ing Torres scored almost as many as Jumbo Joe... Is he almost as talented? **** no.

What do you mean can't put up points? Hall has been +ppg and Ebs has been damn close to ppg. There's a difference between talent and NHL success and you don't realize that. I never said out team scored the most goals, I said our top 6 is the most talented. Talent doesn't mean most goals and points in the league. Hence Robbie Schremp.

Also we have no bottom 6 forward scoring and no offense from the back end so you should think of that when asking yourself why Hall is only a +ppg player and Ebs is only an ~70 point player.

To sum it up TALENT DOESN'T EQUATE TO AUTOMATiC SUCCESS AND POiNTS. So don't say we aren't talented because we don't lead the league in goals. You need more than 6 players to do that.
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ok PLEASE tell me then who is included in this group then that you claim is "By gifted I mean pure offensive talent and there isn't really any other teams that are more talented"
 
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