C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) II

[TheStroker]

If heès not the next gretzky, ill be upset

 

[Canucks LB]

Crosby

 

[Gardner McKay]

I hate Crosby. I think he is a cry baby, a whiner and a complete *****. With that being said you can't deny his talent. Comparing any prospect to him is absolutely foolish until we see that prospect accomplish what Crosby did in his first year at the NHL level (102 points).

 

[Garyboy]

I hate Crosby. I think he is a cry baby, a whiner and a complete *****. With that being said you can't deny his talent. Comparing any prospect to him is absolutely foolish until we see that prospect accomplish what Crosby did in his first year at the NHL level (102 points).

The irony of your quote is oh so very delicious. Shut this thread down, guys. No point talking about McDavid/Crosby comparisons until he's played his first season in the NHL.

You're on the wrong board. This is the prospect board. You know, where we talk about prospects, compare them to pro's who have similar assets....

 

[Garyboy]

I don't think it's fair to judge a 16 year old kid and say that he's the next Crosby. Nobody will be the next Crosby. He'll be the next Connor McDavid, either better or worse than Sid. At the rate that he's progressing, I will say he has a shot to be a 100 point NHL'er annually, but only time will tell. It should be fun to watch him this year. He will once again be playing with not a whole lot of help on Erie. (Burakovsky isn't coming and Strome won't help too much if they play together.). It will also be interesting to see if he can be the youngest player to make the World Juniors for Canada in a very long time. Only time will tell on this kid, so let's just sit back and watch.

That's exactly what this board is here for.

 

[Gardner McKay]

The irony of your quote is oh so very delicious. Shut this thread down, guys. No point talking about McDavid/Crosby comparisons until he's played his first season in the NHL.

You're on the wrong board. This is the prospect board. You know, where we talk about prospects, compare them to pro's who have similar assets....

I know where I am and I fail to see the Irony of my quote. Gretzky was quoted as saying "this is the kid who can break all of my records" or something to that extent IIRC. I haven't heard the same about McDavid from the great one himself.

There was a different hype about Crosby. People have compared most #1 picks to Crosby at one point or another. Crosby is a generational talent. I despise him as a player but his talent level is un real. It has always been. When McDavid starts blowing past Crosbys totals as a junior than the comparisons should start.

This board is here for discussion and thats exactly what I am doing. Voicing my opinion as to why I don't think the comparisons should be there between Crosby and McDavid yet. The irony of your quote is that your position is your own poison. Im discussing prospects a prospect and how we can't compare him to Crosby.

If McDavid puts up the same numbers or better than Crosby, it is a fair comparison. If he keeps going but produces like Crosby did in his first year in the NHL (you know still as a prospect within HF guidelines), it is a fair comparison.

 

[mapleleaf979]

I know where I am and I fail to see the Irony of my quote. Gretzky was quoted as saying "this is the kid who can break all of my records" or something to that extent IIRC. I haven't heard the same about McDavid from the great one himself.

There was a different hype about Crosby. People have compared most #1 picks to Crosby at one point or another. Crosby is a generational talent. I despise him as a player but his talent level is un real. It has always been. When McDavid starts blowing past Crosbys totals as a junior than the comparisons should start.

This board is here for discussion and thats exactly what I am doing. Voicing my opinion as to why I don't think the comparisons should be there between Crosby and McDavid yet. The irony of your quote is that your position is your own poison. Im discussing prospects a prospect and how we can't compare him to Crosby.

If McDavid puts up the same numbers or better than Crosby, it is a fair comparison. If he keeps going but produces like Crosby did in his first year in the NHL (you know still as a prospect within HF guidelines), it is a fair comparison.

U cant compare point totals from different era's. Did u see the goalie pads in the 80's? Slapshots were going in from the point often. Goaltending has evolved so much. Gretzky's 215 is impossible nowadays to touch. The guys who break 100 these days are counted on 1 hand. Everyone can skate, hockey now is much different than Gretzky's era. But if u compare the player to other players of his generation, Gretzky was so much ahead of everyone. He won the scoring title just with his assists one year , 163 of them.

One thing that I see that is different from Crosby to Mcdavid, is Crosby can be a loose cannon and a whiner like u mention. Mcdavid doesnt get wrapped up in this. Remember the Flyers- Pens series last year? Crosby self destructed and turned into a goon.

 

[Le Golie]

I know where I am and I fail to see the Irony of my quote. Gretzky was quoted as saying "this is the kid who can break all of my records" or something to that extent IIRC. I haven't heard the same about McDavid from the great one himself.

There was a different hype about Crosby. People have compared most #1 picks to Crosby at one point or another. Crosby is a generational talent. I despise him as a player but his talent level is un real. It has always been. When McDavid starts blowing past Crosbys totals as a junior than the comparisons should start.

This board is here for discussion and thats exactly what I am doing. Voicing my opinion as to why I don't think the comparisons should be there between Crosby and McDavid yet. The irony of your quote is that your position is your own poison. Im discussing prospects a prospect and how we can't compare him to Crosby.

If McDavid puts up the same numbers or better than Crosby, it is a fair comparison. If he keeps going but produces like Crosby did in his first year in the NHL (you know still as a prospect within HF guidelines), it is a fair comparison.

You should probably base your opinion on McDavid on what you see when you watch him play, not on how much 'hype' he gets.

Watching the kid play, it's pretty obvious he's an incredibly talented player. I never put any limits or ceilings on my projections for Crosby and in watching McDavid, I'm not going to put any caps on him either. Just like Crosby, the sky is the limit for this player.

It's much easier to see that when you watch him play the game instead of comparing the 'hype' he gets versus what Crosby got.

 

[Garyboy]

I know where I am and I fail to see the Irony of my quote. Gretzky was quoted as saying "this is the kid who can break all of my records" or something to that extent IIRC. I haven't heard the same about McDavid from the great one himself.

There was a different hype about Crosby. People have compared most #1 picks to Crosby at one point or another. Crosby is a generational talent. I despise him as a player but his talent level is un real. It has always been. When McDavid starts blowing past Crosbys totals as a junior than the comparisons should start.

This board is here for discussion and thats exactly what I am doing. Voicing my opinion as to why I don't think the comparisons should be there between Crosby and McDavid yet. The irony of your quote is that your position is your own poison. Im discussing prospects a prospect and how we can't compare him to Crosby.

If McDavid puts up the same numbers or better than Crosby, it is a fair comparison. If he keeps going but produces like Crosby did in his first year in the NHL (you know still as a prospect within HF guidelines), it is a fair comparison.

So, you're going off the perceived hype? Anyone that has seen McDavid play live with some regularity knows his skill set and overall game deserves to be in the same ball park as Crosby's at the same age.

As mapleleaf said (a guy who has arguably seen McDavid live more than anyone else on this entire board), McDavid appears to be a lot cooler under fire than Crosby. Crosby often has a hard time keeping his emotions in check, where McDavid has always remained calm, cool, and collected. McDavid is too savvy to get wrapped up in the bs. One definite advantage McDavid has over Crosby.

I know you're set in your ways on this, but lets see how McDavid performs at the World Juniors (yes, I think he's on the team barring an injury) in comparison to Crosby. Something tells me he'll play a more prominent role than Crosby did at the same age. We shall see.

 

[Sartorial]

Best skill set I've seen in a while. Could see half a dozen 100+ point seasons.

 

[Erikfromfin]

Hasnt impressed in the lake placid tournament:/ was expecting more from next gretsky

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Hasnt impressed in the lake placid tournament:/ was expecting more from next gretsky

Your a funny guy. No one said he was the next Gretzky. He's played in 1 game where he was a top 3 player in that game plus the game he's in now he's apparently not getting much ice time

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Best skill set I've seen in a while. Could see half a dozen 100+ point seasons.

just like Rob Schremp.

 

[KevinRedkey]

So at this point is he really on Crosby's level?

or is he more Tavares/MacKinnon?

 

[JonathanToews19clutc*]

So at this point is he really on Crosby's level?

or is he more Tavares/MacKinnon?

- Crosby, Malkin and Ovy = Same Levels.


- McDavid, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall and MacKinnon = Same Levels.


- Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Seguin, RNH, Huberdeau, Benn, Couture, etc.. = Same Levels.

 

[Garyboy]

- Crosby, Malkin and Ovy = Same Levels.


- McDavid, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall and MacKinnon = Same Levels.


- Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Seguin, RNH, Huberdeau, Benn, Couture, etc.. = Same Levels.

Jumping the gun a bit on McDavid, as he hasn't even played his 16 year old season in the OHL yet. Considering how he dominated the U-18's as a double-underager, and has been said to be one of Canada's most impressive forwards at the Lake Placid exhibition games, I say evaluate after his upcoming season ends.

 

[Sartorial]

just like Rob Schremp.

Couldn't say. I wasn't really in the whole prospect game at the time

 

[Joey Moss]

- Crosby, Malkin and Ovy = Same Levels.


- McDavid, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall and MacKinnon = Same Levels.


- Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Seguin, RNH, Huberdeau, Benn, Couture, etc.. = Same Levels.

Last year you would have had Hall in the same level as the last group. Give RNH and Yak a season or two and you'll have them where they should be, separated from the Galchenyuk's, Seguin's etc..

McDavid and Stamkos aren't in the right group either IMO.

Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Ovechkin, Stamkos

Tavares, Hall, Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov

Galchenyuk, Seguin, Huberdeau, Landeskog

 

[KJS14]

Last year you would have had Hall in the same level as the last group. Give RNH and Yak a season or two and you'll have them where they should be, separated from the Galchenyuk's, Seguin's etc..

McDavid and Stamkos aren't in the right group either IMO.

Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Ovechkin, Stamkos

Tavares, Hall, Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov

Galchenyuk, Seguin, Huberdeau, Landeskog

Of course you think the Oilers' prospects belong in the higher group. McDavid, RNH, Yakupov, MacKinnon, Drouin, and Barkov havent proven much if anything up to this point.

Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Stamkos

Tavares, Giroux, Toews etc

Hall, Duchene etc

Seguin, Galchenyuk, Yakupov, Huberdeau, Landeskog etc

 

[JonathanToews19clutc*]

Last year you would have had Hall in the same level as the last group. Give RNH and Yak a season or two and you'll have them where they should be, separated from the Galchenyuk's, Seguin's etc..

McDavid and Stamkos aren't in the right group either IMO.

Crosby, Malkin, McDavid, Ovechkin, Stamkos

Tavares, Hall, Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov

Galchenyuk, Seguin, Huberdeau, Landeskog

Galchenyuk = or > Barkov.

McDavid... too early...

 

[viinaa*]

Barkov > Galchenyuk, enough off topic

mcdavid seems like a good player, not physichal enough

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

mcdavid seems like a good player, not physichal enough

He gives me Datsyuk vibes. That's the highest praise I can give a prospect centerman.

 

[Sartorial]

He gives me Datsyuk vibes. That's the highest praise I can give a prospect centerman.

Same. I also think his physicality is fine (especially for someone so slight and young).

 

[doncherrysgrill]

Wasn't impressed with him at all at the Lake Placid tourney, but he realistically didn't belong there. People need to pump the brakes a little on the kid..he's not even close to ready for the NHL and at this point comparing him to any of the greats in our game (whether it's Gretzky, Crosby, or whoever) is out of line. Lake Placid might have been a good lesson for the kid, it was the first time in probably many years that he was being outplayed by the guys around him. The US defense shut him down really well in that last game, taking him out completely.

What I've noticed with McDavid is there's a sense of cockiness to his game, which is important, but it's too much with him at this stage. You know the kid who dominates a midget league and tries to make everything happen on his own? McDavid is still in that mindset. Even though he's playing great hockey in the OHL he's going to need to learn that he can't make it all happen on his own at the next level. If teams are focusing on shutting him down, like they did later on in the season, he'll need to adjust or he'll have a seriously disappointing sophomore season with Erie.

This kid has all the tools though. His skating, hands, and vision are incredible. They're elite for his age and it was smart to not bother having him dominate Ivan Hlinka when he could get the experience of playing with some older guys in Lake Placid. Like most young stars, when you frustrate them they start to lose their edge. I've noticed that a little bit out of him, if you start to get in his head a little bit and make him realize he's not as dominant as HE thinks he is, he starts making mistakes and playing a bit over his head. He'll reign it in. He'll be the #1 pick. He'll be a great NHL player. Not the greatest, but there's no doubt in my mind the kid will be great when he puts it all together.

 

[BigD66]

Wasn't impressed with him at all at the Lake Placid tourney, but he realistically didn't belong there.

Really? I obviously never saw the games, but everything I read from twitter seemed to praise McDavid.