WarriorofTime
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How many of those were exceptional player status?
Exactly. History supports me here. There is nothing magical about a January 1- December 31 cutoff.
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Exactly. History supports me here. There is nothing magical about a January 1- December 31 cutoff.
Once again... an entire development year extra means a TON at these ages. The evidence is undeniable
If there happened to be an NHL lockout in 2016, McDavid wouldn't have vastly improved his 120pts he got in his draft season?
WarriorofTime
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Once again, exceptional players are in their third year of Junior Hockey in their "age 17" season.... there is no "entire development year" at play, just their actual ages.
We're talking about exceptional players in their "aged 17" draft year versus "regular" players in their "aged 18" draft year.
The point is that there is no difference. You are just talking about general year over year improvements that an individual player makes. When we have been discussing comparing the relative performance of prospects in their "draft" year and there is no evidence that "late birthday" players get penalized for being a "development year" ahead as you phrase it.
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He wouldn’t though because he would be playing with a log
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Fire Greg Cronin!
is this a long winded way of saying he’s a small player..?
Underrated point. All of his shot mechanics are impossible until the current technology came around.
You can see it with guys like Elias Pettersson - no way a guy that thin could shoot hard with a wooden stick. You need a ton of muscle to shoot hard.
Its an entire extra development year of hockey, not just junior.
His exceptional year was also a whopping 15 games lol.
Crosby is more of an offensive driver than Bedard who can create time and space. Bedard is more of a quick strike offensive weapon if given time and space. McDavid is a pure offensive weapon.
IMO, McDavid and Bedard are more C/W hybrids while Crosby is the classic #1C.
One thing bedard is going to have to be mindful is to keep his head up. Being 5’10 he is right at players 6’q/6’2 height shoulder to head level. Likely the reason why Crosby dealt with concussions. Mcdavid being 6’1 helps him avoid those shoulder to head hits (also that he’s fast to)
How does one determine the "softness" of a league?
League GPG in the Q during Crosby's draft season - 3.19
League GPG in the W this season - 3.43
The only thing I would say is that their was a lack of a few more high end scorers in the Q in 04/05 that made the gap between Crosby and the rest look a bit bigger. Obviously any unreasonable doubts about Crosby's CHL dominance due to the long since retired narrative of it being all out offense were erased after his historical first two seasons.
In terms of league strength, since 1996 when the Q expanded into the Atlantic Provinces here are the amount of times the Memorial Cup has been won by each league:
Q- 10
O - 8
W - 8
For sure, just stating Crosby definitely wasn't some kind of elite defensive player, especially early on in his career
As a Canuck fan it would be an absolute dream if they win the lottery this year and until the lottery happens I will keep dreaming.
He sure did as does Bedard
I tend to agree but the degree is minimal.
If one were to use a scale of 1-100 with 100 being in the top 1% of all time CHL offensive drivers then if Crosby is a 100 Bedard is at least a 99.
Neither point would really matter though as his focus and compete level to be excellent reminds many of Gretzky.
The biggest difference to me is that in the 70s and 80s the competition of elite hockey programs in BC just wasn't were it is now and that in part is why guys like Bedard are emerging from BC and other guys from the Yukon are also getting a chance to shine.
Crosby's superior puck possession skills alone make the difference. Bedard could produce more than Crosby if he was on a loaded line while Crosby's strength is producing with any quality of linemate.
Sure but I noticed that you didn't really disagree with my post though.
They do have different skillsets and strengths.
Considering teams they play on and their WJC performance, Bedard has had a substantially better draft season to this point.
Playoffs will likely be impossible to judge as Regina is likely to be swept no matter what Bedard does. Hopefully he gets to play in the WC so we get to see what he can do in the pros
It is indisputable that Bedard’s draft year play is a notch above McDavid’s.
It is just not crystal clear that Bedard will be a top-5 player in the way that McDavid’s speed and 6’2” stature made him.
For sure, I personally think he ends up competing with McDavid a few seasons for best in the world, but thats a tall order.
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McDavid also did turn it up a notch in those playoffs too, I remember I was still Crosby > McDavid by a hair until the playoffs and then what McDavid did that year in the playoffs made me switch to McDavid being the better prospect.
Not saying I disagree with the statement that bedard has had a better season, but those playoffs he put it i to another gear. Strome and debrincat were able to dominate the reg season too , but teams could shut them down in the playoffs. McDavid doubled stromes pts and tripled debrincat in the post season, and those guys were both 100 pt scorers in the reg season. Come playoffs that team was carried by McDavid , and it seemed like every time he touched the puck he was going end to end. So while I would say his reg season and obviously wjc were better than McDavid, we can't forget how otherworldly McDavid was in the playoffs that year.
Go Canucks! Keep losing, and Bedard could be yours.
On a bright note (at least to me), Montreal is now 8th worst in points %, their hopes for Bedard are fading. We can credit Marty St Louis, who looks like a very good coach, that has them competing hard and winning games they shouldn't win. And with the total liability Xjekraj out of the lineup, they should win even more!
On a bright note (at least to me), Montreal is now 8th worst in points %, their hopes for Bedard are fading. We can credit Marty St Louis, who looks like a very good coach, that has them competing hard and winning games they shouldn't win. And with the total liability Xjekraj out of the lineup, they should win even more!
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How is the hope for bedard fading, though? lol as of now the habs still have 6% chance at bedard plus will most likely have % with the panthers pick.
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