Considering the difference in scoring, 82 points for Bedard would be about equivalent to Nathan MacKinnon's rookie season. Is that really unrealistically high for Bedard?
C Connor Bedard (2023, 1st, CHI) Part 6
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OilersFanatics505
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You can still be a good player and not score 40 from writers from the blue line. They aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.
Haha did you just use Brayden Points height as a reason why Bedard won't be a center in the NHL?
People make it sound like he's this slow, weak player who will need a lot of time to get acclimated to the NHL game. This kid has generational skill and is physically stronger than many elite players in the NHL already like Kane, Gaudreau, etc. He's going to be an elite player immediately, and will likely only improve steadily over the next 5+ seasons, much like Crosby and McDavid before him. You doubt he's going to score 80 points in a league where that gets you around 30th in the league in points...
McDavid was 3rd in the NHL in points per game.
Crosby was 6th in points. 39 goals and 106 points in a league that was slightly less high scoring than the NHL of last season.
Bedard coming into Chicago will definitely have his work cut out for him when it comes to producing and competing with the other elite talents in the NHL, but predicting he'll score less than a point per game when he'll be getting all the powerplay time and offensive opportunity to succeed in Chicago is grossly underrating the abilities of this player. The only way that happens is if he gets injured, otherwise I think he's getting 40+ and 90+ assuming a similar scoring trend we've seen these past few seasons league wide.
The only reason I'm not predicting 50 goals and 100 points is because he's playing for Chicago which is almost the least offensive help he could get, but I still feel comfortable saying he tops 40 goals and 90 points or atleast very close.
Panthaz89
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He isn't posting writers from the blue line.... just tough angle shots where he somehow has the accuracy to hit the tiniest of gaps available. It's just something that is in his arsenal he can score from anywhere except take slappers from the point. A lot of his goals come from his stick handling and his agility to get around players and get in the high danger areas.
Uhhh no I didn’t do that. People keep pointing at Brayden Point as being small, but then argue that Connor Bedard actually isn’t small. How is Connor Bedard not small if he’s 2 inches shorter than Point.Haha did you just use Brayden Points height as a reason why Bedard won't be a center in the NHL?
People make it sound like he's this slow, weak player who will need a lot of time to get acclimated to the NHL game. This kid has generational skill and is physically stronger than many elite players in the NHL already like Kane, Gaudreau, etc. He's going to be an elite player immediately, and will likely only improve steadily over the next 5+ seasons, much like Crosby and McDavid before him. You doubt he's going to score 80 points in a league where that gets you around 30th in the league in points...
McDavid was 3rd in the NHL in points per game.
Crosby was 6th in points. 39 goals and 106 points in a league that was slightly less high scoring than the NHL of last season.
Bedard coming into Chicago will definitely have his work cut out for him when it comes to producing and competing with the other elite talents in the NHL, but predicting he'll score less than a point per game when he'll be getting all the powerplay time and offensive opportunity to succeed in Chicago is grossly underrating the abilities of this player. The only way that happens is if he gets injured, otherwise I think he's getting 40+ and 90+ assuming a similar scoring trend we've seen these past few seasons league wide.
Lol you just cited 2 wingers…
My argument was that only 4 18 year olds in history have scored over 82 points. Sure Mcdavid was on track but he still didnt do it. And Connor Bedard also isnt Connor McDavid.
I never argued that he won’t be an elite player in the league. He most likely will. But to think he will come in as an 18 year old and light the world on fire on a dumpster team is just an unfair expectation. The fact that people like you think its an unsuccessful season if he doesn’t do something that only four 18 year olds in history have ever done is absurd
Panthaz89
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I mean yes but prospects that are as dynamic as Bedard aren't coming in often he's played against the prospects who play in men's league that perform well in them and still dominates. He would dominate in any men's league he already has the skill to do it and he's still getting better.
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I think he scores a million goals (possibly 40+) BUT isn’t able to really dictate play or dominate shifts on a consistent basis.
Just think his shot+hands+finishing ability in this scoring environment, plus a ton of ice time (and powerplay ice time) will lead to a stupid goal total.
Not to say he’ll be one dimensional forever. Very convinced Bedard is a scary player all over in a few years . I had him and Michkov neck and neck coming into the year (still think Michkov is a mega prospect) but the way he has continued to answer the bell gives me Crosby vibes.
Just think his shot+hands+finishing ability in this scoring environment, plus a ton of ice time (and powerplay ice time) will lead to a stupid goal total.
Not to say he’ll be one dimensional forever. Very convinced Bedard is a scary player all over in a few years . I had him and Michkov neck and neck coming into the year (still think Michkov is a mega prospect) but the way he has continued to answer the bell gives me Crosby vibes.
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Not many 18 year olds are a lock (more or less) to be playing 1st Line Ice Time with 1st Powerplay Unit straight from Day 1. Add that Bedard is obviously very good. It's not outlandish that if he stays healthy he can put up some points. Obviously the supporting cast is not great but it's still NHL players (it's not like random dudes pulled from the ECHL) and there is enough to play around with that if he is very good his individual stats can be good even if the team struggles.
Where are you getting 2 inches from anyway? NHL.com has him at 5'11 and elite prospects has him at 5'10. I always thought he was 5'10, that's what Bedard is listed at and he's not even 18 yet, could still have an inch or 2 to grow, plus he's heavier already than Point.
Well think for one second why people are saying he might do what 4 18 year olds in history have done, could it be because he has arguably the best Junior career of the salary cap era and he's entering a fairly high scoring NHL? These arguments about his size don't make any sense, and he's also a really good skater too with great strength protecting the puck and every other offensive tool to go with along including the best ever shot by a 17 year old, already better than nearly anyone in the NHL right now and he'll only improve upon it in the next few seasons.
what I find funny and something I'm guilty of and suspect a lot of folks are as well is its like we are seeing this kid doing things at 17-18 that quite frankly are better than anything we've seen since the 80-90's, or in the case of the WJC ever but seem gun shy to say whata lot of us our thinking and I'm not sure why.
Afraid to jinx him? Maybe because McDavid fans will cause a fuss?
Well I honestly think what he's done puts him on the path to be better than everyone before him and oddly enough his combine leading pull-ups of all things sealed the deal, the kid is fuc*** is jacked. Any thought of him getting pushed off the puck as a centre, went out the window after I saw him at the combine.
All year his critics pointed out his ppg in JR saying he will never get near Sid and his fans pointed out his teammates. The the WJC happen and I mean my God he just obliterated the record books and we saw the guys that some said were a challenge for 1st overall get left in his dust, I mean it wasn't even close. Then he comes back to Regina and someone can correct me if I'm wrong but went on the best post WJC run ever. He then almost single handedly wills his team to a playoff series win.
So after all this why do people get so triggered if someone says he's the best we've ever seen for his age? And instead of finding excuses as to why he won't become the new great one, we can't say he's earned the right to have us believe he's gonna continue to do things that set a new benchmark? Much like #97 did
The real sad thing is the people who hope he fails to live up to the hype instead of enjoying getting to be a part of it.
My Dad used to talk about seeing the Beatles live and how it stuck with him and I didn't get it until I saw Nirvana play live in a shitty club in Seattle in 91 as a young teen barely 13 with my big brother where they played SLTS for one of the first times and while I was a little young to fully appreciate what I had witnessed, there was this feeling like something big is about to happen and this is where it started. And then they played Reading and I'm sure there's people who besides me here that were there and that was to this day the single greatest day of my life.
I'm not saying Bedard will have that effect obviously I'm just saying we very well might be on the verge of seeing a rare occurrence and we should all be hoping to witness it.
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What's also cool is that he's got that Crosby, McDavid "doesn't seem to care about anything other than Hockey" thing going for him. As far as being a well-rounded human being, it's good to have outside interests and all, but you know, for hockey player projections and stuff, sure doesn't hurt that this kid appears all hockey all day every day.
I agree with you other than his supporting cast. If Hall goes down you are looking at a sad, sad offensive group. Hall has only played more than 37 games TWICE in the past 7 seasons. Dude is always hurt
He’s also not a “really good skater” but thats an argument for another day.
I think it's a silly take to say that's a silly take.
And I'm not trying to be cute with words here either. MacKinnon and Matthews are top 5ish players in the world, and perennial hart/Pearson candidates. It's not outrageous to suggest bedard *may* not hit those heights
This could also be a recipe for Bedard playing every minute of every powerplay. But beyond that I don't get the concerns about his skating at all, which is of course well above average. You seem to believe you have to be one of the fastest players to succeed or something.
He definitely is a really good skater, though. Just because he's not a McDavid doesn't mean he isn't a great skater.
It very well could be. Hes strong on his skates and agile but definitely isnt a burner and lacks explosiveness.
I just think its wild a 50-60 point rookie year would be considered a huge disappointment by many here
Mcdavids skating and puckhandling at high speeds is the best this league has ever seen. Unattainable.
I don’t think you understand what “ceiling” means. If you think he *may* not reach MacKinnon/Matthews level then you DON’T think his ceiling is BELOW those guys. Saying his ceiling is below those guys means you don’t think there is any chance he will reach their level. That’s a silly take all day long.
I know what ceiling means. You are getting upset that some folks don't see bedard as a perennial top 5 player in the world.
They don't see his ceiling as that high.
@Frank Drebin You don’t think there is any chance that Bedard becomes a perennial top 5 player in the world?
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And what is the collective NHL experience goalies that he’s scoring these goals on?
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He may be the best Jr player in the last 20 years, and I think will be a super star ONE day. But playing first line minutes will hurt him, not help him next year. The kid is going to see top pairing NHL defence man and the best centres in the league every shift of every game. He won't see any soft matchups. For eg going up against Mackinnon and Rantanen and Makar and Toews, every shift for a full game is going to be real eye opening for him.
For me, 60 points is about the median, he may score a bit more or a bit less but the O/U should be 60.
For me, 60 points is about the median, he may score a bit more or a bit less but the O/U should be 60.
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