C Connor Bedard (2023, 1st, CHI) Part 6

bigdog16

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Ah, I see. So your definition of a really good skater is limited to “someone who can beat one of the best skating prospects on the world the length of the ice at the end of a 105s shift”. My bad, now I see where the disconnect is.

I guess my definition of a really good skater is just a little different than yours.
Lol then post a video of him pulling away from someone… Nobody is stopping you from proving me wrong buddy

People will go to all ends to make excuses for the kid to make a point. And then when you do find a clip of him doing that, I will just say “that dman was out there for 110 seconds” or some dumb comment that I keep hearing.

Hes a really good skater and to prove my point I will post a video of him getting chased down by a dude starting backwards and 20 feet away. And then once I realize im wrong I wilk just start spewing excuses. This site is honestly the greatest thing ever
 
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Lol then post a video of him pulling away from someone
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Does this look like someone who “is not a really good skater”, whilst skating by an entire team?

Again as I’ve said he’s not McDavid in terms of straight away speed but this notion he’s some below average skater is hilarious, his edgework specifically is reminiscent of some of the best NHL skaters
 

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Considering he was 105 seconds into a shift and beat the “best skating defence prospect in the world” despite Hughes having a 10 foot head start, I would say his skating, even his straight away speed, is just nothing to worry about in terms of it holding him back

He's got more in common with McDavid than John Tavares when skating with the puck and he's only going to improve. He's not even 18 yet
 
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The video doesn’t show a guy with “really good” skating either. A really good skater wins that race and drives to the net.

Actually it did show it off he was 1:05 into a shift and had the hockey IQ to use his body to shiled the puck, Hughes got there but was flat out speed didn't adjust very well.
His strengths as a skater don’t lie in his speed and explosiveness. Would have been better off showing a clip of him using his lower body strength and edgework in the corner to evade a defender or something. But what do i know
Sure but his speed and explosiveness aren't exactly holding him back either.
 

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I’m sure many have seen this already but at the 2 min mark there is a decent breakdown of his skating/pace from last year.


But he didn't have a breakaway on every shift, obviously he isn't a very good skater right?

That literally is the counter argument being presented man it's really sad.
 
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1st goal is a very good example of skating ability. Moving downhill at speed right through a defender with great lateral mobility.

Of course you could also look at some of the ridiculous shots he scored on in this game too, but w/e I guess we're all worried about his skating at the moment
 

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I for one feel really lucky to have watched and fully appreciated Gretzky, Mario, McDavid, Crosby, Ovi and all the great from the late 70's onward and to see another guy come onto the scene like Bedard is extra special as I'm at the age where I can truly appreciate how special he is.

Sadly even though I was watching hockey and have been alive since Orr entered the league I have no memories of watching him be dominant like I do with Potvin later in the 70s.

My only wish is that Bedard would have embarked on his greatness in his home town.
 

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Bedard's skating...

Yes, he doesn't have the top speed or straight line acceleration of the elite skaters in the NHL. His speed reminds me of Tyler Toffoli, someone who's not fast but not really slow. He will get some breakaways (especially from being the last man deep) but he doesn't typically beat out the rush, he goes through defenders.

What Bedard does have though is agility, he might be the most deceptive skater I've seen. Dmen don't struggle with his speed, they struggle with his quick transitions and elusiveness. He's an ankle breaker more than anything, he does things few can. He's going to make some really good NHL dmen have some really bad highlights.

He doesn't win a lot of puck races with his speed, especially in the corners. I think in the NHL, they'll adapt his role to accommodate and have him support the pass rather than get the puck (which superstar players should be doing anyways). That was definitely one of the areas that Regina struggled, they couldn't get the puck to him and still support him on the rush (he went in alone so so much). Some of that was his teammates bring unable to handle his passing leading to turnovers (Bedard took way too many defensive zone draws imo).

He'll never be a speed skater but he's gonna be fine IMO. He also probably won't take too many hits, he got rubbed to the corner quite a bit (especially at the end of road trips) but I don't recall him actually taking a hit, he's far too agile to get caught.
 

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Does this look like someone who “is not a really good skater”, whilst skating by an entire team?

Again as I’ve said he’s not McDavid in terms of straight away speed but this notion he’s some below average skater is hilarious, his edgework specifically is reminiscent of some of the best NHL skaters
I meant in a foot race. Not hard to skate thru 5 guys standing still
Actually it did show it off he was 1:05 into a shift and had the hockey IQ to use his body to shiled the puck, Hughes got there but was flat out speed didn't adjust very well.

Sure but his speed and explosiveness aren't exactly holding him back either.
You dont know if its holding him back or not because he hasnt played a game in the NHL yet
 
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I couldn't care less about grading Connor's skating. I'd be more worried if that was his main tool in his arsenal as it becomes a much more even field of skaters in the NHL. The number of guys that are tremendous skaters and have the whole toolbox is few and far between (see McDavid).

Connor will be successful because of a hundred other things besides and in addition to his above-average skating.
 

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Anyone trying to say Bedard is an "average skater" pretty knows nothing about skating. Top end speed is probably his worst aspect of skating, but it is still very good and well above average. Thus is from a scouting report that goes in depth about his skating and sums it up nicely.

Connor Bedard’s Skating

Bedard is a very good skater, but not quite elite. His agility and fluidity are fantastic, and he skates so effortlessly with or without the puck. He also utilizes his edges very well and can hit top speed very quickly. That acceleration and ability to know when to turn on the jets allow him to catch defenders off, allowing him to beat them. However, his top speed is not elite.

He’s faster than most, and this is by no means a knock on his skating. Bedard beats defenders using his agility, acceleration and insanely high IQ. When it comes to skating, under a microscope, he won’t purely burn defenders with his skating. That’s not a negative, in fact, it shows he knows how to work around it. Once he gets NHL coaching and continues to grow physically, especially in his lower-body strength, he has every trait to develop an elite speed. That’s a scary thought.
 

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Yea but thats measly WHL competition…

See if you guys are going to make excuses, so will I
Lol then post a video of him pulling away from someone

Someone includes WHL.

Wikipedia said:
Moving the goalposts is an informal fallacy in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. That is, after an attempt has been made to score a goal, the goalposts are moved to exclude the attempt.
 
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He is probably going to eat well on the pp but will struggle 5 on 5 a lot at times. there will be growing pains.
 
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Nah i meant someone other than a bad WHL player. I’m simply moving the goalposts as far as you guys.

You seem to make up an excuse for everything so I will do the same
Forget the excuses or goalposts. You have just had a horrible take front the start on Bedard's skating ability. The moment you called him an average skater, you were way wrong. His weakest skating aspect is high end speed, which is still very good and way better then average.
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Bedard isn’t the quickest or fastest player in his draft class, but he has the leg strength, and skating stride, to surprise opponents in transition. He’s quicker and faster than he looks. He almost sneaks up on opponents (as ridiculous as that sounds). He reminds me of Mitch Marner, pace wise, when he came into the NHL. Marner has added more speed as he has matured. Bedard will do the same.

Connor Bedard’s Skating
Bedard is a very good skater, but not quite elite. His agility and fluidity are fantastic, and he skates so effortlessly with or without the puck. He also utilizes his edges very well and can hit top speed very quickly. That acceleration and ability to know when to turn on the jets allow him to catch defenders off, allowing him to beat them. However, his top speed is not elite.

He’s faster than most, and this is by no means a knock on his skating. Bedard beats defenders using his agility, acceleration and insanely high IQ. When it comes to skating, under a microscope, he won’t purely burn defenders with his skating. That’s not a negative, in fact, it shows he knows how to work around it. Once he gets NHL coaching and continues to grow physically, especially in his lower-body strength, he has every trait to develop an elite speed. That’s a scary thought.

Another scout on his skating.
Because of his skating he’s able to gain the zone with ease, making him elite on the breakout and in possession. One thing that stands out when you watch Bedard play is his patience. He uses his elite skating and puck-handling to lull the defense to sleep and get into scoring lanes where he can get the puck past the goalie.

Like literally every scout say basically while he lacks McDavid level high speed he still possess top echelon NHL speed. You combine that with his quickness, agility, edgework, ect. Oh and he has the ability for his hands/mind to keep up with his feet. A lot of guys get slower with the puck compared to their off puck skating. Bedard is an elite on puck skater, with ankle breaking moves.
 

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He is probably going to eat well on the pp but will struggle 5 on 5 a lot at times. there will be growing pains.

I don't know if struggle is the right word but he won't be MacKinnon/McDavid/Karlsson/Matthews in his first season
 

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