C Connor Bedard (2023, 1st, CHI) Part 6

[Deleted member 339941]

 

[EdJovanovski]

CHL Career
McDavid 1.72 P/GP
Bedard 2.02 P/GP
WJC Career
McDavid 1.38 P/GP
Bedard 2.08 P/GP

 

[ManByng]

Had a look at Pat Kane’s stats his last year of junior at 17 and they were remarkably similar, (62-83-145). Even if Bedard doesn’t turn into the next McDavid, if he turned into the next Pat Kane or Jack Hughes or David Pasternak, I’m pretty sure whoever gets him won’t be complaining!!

 

[Half Clapper]

Had a look at Pat Kane’s stats his last year of junior at 17 and they were remarkably similar, (62-83-145). Even if Bedard doesn’t turn into the next McDavid, if he turned into the next Pat Kane or Jack Hughes or David Pasternak, I’m pretty sure whoever gets him won’t be complaining!!

According to some kids in this thread Kane was 8 or so months older than Bedard, so their CHL stats can't be compared lol.

 

[GrizzGreen]

TMAAA 2011-2012 counterpart

 

[Andy Dufresne]

According to some kids in this thread Kane was 8 or so months older than Bedard, so their CHL stats can't be compared lol.

You don't actually get how junior ages work, or how draft ages work?
Maybe Bedard will come back to Regina next year, and we can get a better statistical comparison.
Edit: Or we could use Kane's 17 year old season as a comparable:

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There you go. Not really in the same ballpark eh?

 

[Half Clapper]

You don't actually get how junior ages work, or how draft ages work?
Maybe Bedard will come back to Regina next year, and we can get a better statistical comparison.
Edit: Or we could use Kane's 17 year old season as a comparable:

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There you go. Not really in the same ballpark eh?

Ya I get how they work buddy! How many months apart in age were they?

 

[WarriorofTime]

You don't actually get how junior ages work, or how draft ages work?
Maybe Bedard will come back to Regina next year, and we can get a better statistical comparison.

It seems you don't actually understand? It's their draft age year that's relevant.

The birth year age thing isn't relevant once they hit Pee-Wees, lol

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ya I get how they work buddy! How many months apart in age were they?

No idea. One was in his 17 year old season. The other in his 18 year old season.
That's how hockey works in Canada. Your age is based on your birth year. This isn't a controversial, or remotely new, topic. Except maybe to you.

 

[WarriorofTime]

According to some kids in this thread Kane was 8 or so months older than Bedard, so their CHL stats can't be compared lol.

Late birthday in previous birth year/not late birthday is 100% irrelevant when discussing exceptional players, since they are already in their 3rd year of Juniors by their draft year regardless of being a "non-late birthday"

Also funny how these people always completely ignore the systemic bias against late birthday players in Minor Hockey. Look at any top minor hockey team, whole bunch of January, February and March birthdays, not a whole lot of October, November and Decembers. Late birthday kids have to work that much harder just to get noticed initially.

One was in his 17 year old season. The other in his 18 year old season.

That doesn't matter.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It seems you don't actually understand? It's their draft age year that's relevant.

The birth year age thing isn't relevant once they hit Pee-Wees, lol

No it's the complete opposite of that in fact. Guys playing 'up' in age group is a pretty new concept in western Canada.
Think about what the CHL bases age on for a player to be 'Exceptional Status'. Now tell me how many exceptional status players there has been in the whl. Still think birth year is meaningless?

That doesn't matter.

It does now. It does in this comparison. It always has. It likely always will.

 

[WarriorofTime]

No it's the complete opposite of that in fact. Guys playing 'up' in age group is a pretty new concept in western Canada.
Think about what the CHL bases age on for a player to be 'Exceptional Status'. Now tell me how many exceptional status players there has been in the whl. Still think birth year is meaningless?

lol, nobody cares which age group they're classified in when they're signing up for "Mites" by the time they're being drafted

There is no magical threshold that gets crossed if a player is born December 31 or January 1

 

[Mercedes Benn]

lol, nobody cares which age group they're classified in when they're signing up for "Mites" by the time they're being drafted

There is no magical threshold that gets crossed if a player is born December 31 or January 1

Except this is exactly how it is done in Canada. It seems you have zero clue what you are talking about.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Except this is exactly how it is done in Canada. It seems you have zero clue what you are talking about.

we're talking about the NHL, not Canada..

again, nobody (but you guys) cares when you sign up for Mites, lol

A "late" birthday is in Juniors one year longer, an exceptional player is in the juniors for the same amount of time as a "late" birthday so they are functionally identical at that point

you guys are really struggling to understand that if a player plays "up" their whole lives it is completely irrelevant by the time we're talking NHL draft if it's their "age 17" or "age 18" season, that is why "age 17" prospects don't get some mythical bump in the NHL Draft based on some mythical "potential" since they are (according to you) a full year younger

 

[belfour30]

I think similar to prime Patrick Kane. More goals, fewer assists, similar point totals.

 

[Mercedes Benn]

we're talking about the NHL, not Canada..

again, nobody (but you guys) cares when you sign up for Mites, lol

A "late" birthday is in Juniors one year longer, an exceptional player is in the juniors for the same amount of time as a "late" birthday so they are functionally identical at that point

you guys are really struggling to understand that if a player plays "up" their whole lives it is completely irrelevant by the time we're talking NHL draft if it's their "age 17" or "age 18" season, that is why "age 17" prospects don't get some mythical bump in the NHL Draft based on some mythical "potential" since they are (according to you) a full year younger

The comparison was literally regarding their CHL stats.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The comparison was literally regarding their CHL stats.

yeah Kane was a first year player and Bedard a third year player, but sure Kane was about 8 months older

 

[Mercedes Benn]

yeah Kane was a first year player and Bedard a third year player, but sure Kane was about 8 months older

Great argument right here!

 

[Bounces R Way]

That is a f***boi haircut right there

If the NHL games had a cocky rating Bedard would lead the league in it next year
I love it

 

[WarriorofTime]

Great argument right here!

you didn't make an argument

 

[Dust]

I don't see Regina winning more than a game or two... however Saskatoon Blades are historically bad chokers in the playoffs, so anything is possible.

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[Mercedes Benn]

you didn't make an argument

Exactly. All i did was state a fact and you diverted.

How about this argument:

Bedards first year of junior was a wash because of covid and him only playing 15 games? Therefore he only had two real years of junior and thus negates what you were saying before.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Man, its still crazy to me that Charlie Coyle didn't end up a star player after he put up 72pts in only 40 games including playoffs, being a first year player and all in the Q.

Same with Yandle who was just a top 4 guy after being CHL D of the year putting up over 80pts as a 1st year player! How was he not the next Orr!

Its almost like age and development years mayter? Huh, who knew?

dude what are you even saying? lol

yes, not every guy that kills it in Juniors kills it in the NHL. Johnny Drouin lit the QMJHL on fire as a baby 17 year old, and he stunk in the NHL... "development" lol, you guys are still caught up on this whole Mite registration thing? Huh?

almost like you don't have a point....

 

[Panthaz89]

Late birthday in previous birth year/not late birthday is 100% irrelevant when discussing exceptional players, since they are already in their 3rd year of Juniors by their draft year regardless of being a "non-late birthday"

Also funny how these people always completely ignore the systemic bias against late birthday players in Minor Hockey. Look at any top minor hockey team, whole bunch of January, February and March birthdays, not a whole lot of October, November and Decembers. Late birthday kids have to work that much harder just to get noticed initially.


That doesn't matter.

How the heck does it not matter? A lot of people tend to grow/learn a lot in 8 months at that age.

 

[WarriorofTime]

How the heck does it not matter? A lot of people tend to grow/learn a lot in 8 months at that age.

Exactly, it's 8 months, that's the timeframe that's relevant not this 'age 17 season' vs. 'age 18 season' when comparing Draft prospects. All NHL draft prospects are within a 365-day period in age. The early birthday guys get every advantage growing up on the January 1 - December 31 deadline and now people want them to get an edge in the Draft as well, but it doesn't work that way. NHL teams don't give a crap about when you registered for Mites.