C Bo Horvat (2013, 9th overall, Vancouver) II
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Mathew Barzal
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Tv9924
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Do people really think he's in Monahan/Galchenyuk tier?
We don't know yet.
The 0.57ppg pace he put up in the 2nd half of his season is certainly impressive.
He is definitely not in that tier now that's for sure.
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Do people really think he's in Monahan/Galchenyuk tier?
I think we have to wait till next season to find out. But the way he's trending, I can understand the excitement. Watch him play at both ends and it amazes me he's only 19. He's also been so clutch and that's really influencing the fanbase opinion on him.
With that said, when people come in here and make claims without clearly watching him play, it instigates aggressive retorts.
Do people really think he's in Monahan/Galchenyuk tier?
On the Canucks board when projecting a future line up the majority are placing Horvat as our #2C.
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I wouldn't. Ideally I want him as the third line centre with two solid, veteran wingers (Higgins and Hansen preferably). Gauge how tough the minutes they should play based on how well they handle them.
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I think he'll be 3rd line center next year. And if Bonino goes down with injury Horvat will slot in there and get his chance.
Maybe a little off topic, but it ties right into the discussion were having here.
But is anyone else starting to feel like the distinctive way of dividing lines into 2nd/3rd/4th lines is starting to become a thing of the past?
Discussing Horvat's line is a prime example of this. While if you average the talent of the line across the board it may be the least talented line, but if they starting playing more minutes than the "2nd or 3rd" lines can we really call them a 4th line?
I've noticed it disappear how coaches refer to their lines. And even in how they allocate minutes. It seems to be increasingly more chemistry dependent for building lines and allocating minutes based on current performance. Makes me feel that we may be putting ourselves behind the curve by forcing ourselves to have line mate discussions locked within the 2nd/3rd/4th line formats.
But is anyone else starting to feel like the distinctive way of dividing lines into 2nd/3rd/4th lines is starting to become a thing of the past?
Discussing Horvat's line is a prime example of this. While if you average the talent of the line across the board it may be the least talented line, but if they starting playing more minutes than the "2nd or 3rd" lines can we really call them a 4th line?
I've noticed it disappear how coaches refer to their lines. And even in how they allocate minutes. It seems to be increasingly more chemistry dependent for building lines and allocating minutes based on current performance. Makes me feel that we may be putting ourselves behind the curve by forcing ourselves to have line mate discussions locked within the 2nd/3rd/4th line formats.
Yes I agree completely. A high end potential for Horvat could be Rod Brind'Amour (minus the high scoring era point totals), who in the latter end of his career with Carolina would be the perfect example of this as the '3rd line center' who played 22 minutes a night. As things stand now when Henrik hangs them up regardless of where you want to place Horvat in the lineup things can change but he projects to getting the most minutes right now.
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Canucks are a mess after the Sedins, with slurry of mismatched lines. Figuring what's up is a bit trickier than looking at the line-up notes. Horvat is on the fourth line on paper, but his TOI and deployments indicate second line usage. He's started getting power play time, too.
It's a role he's grown into.
It's a role he's grown into.
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I don't know about that... I mean 2013 was a crazy draft. I'd take multiple players over him:
MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Jones, Monahan for sure, then Nurse, Ristolainen and Lindholm are pretty close.
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Mackinnon, Monahan are the two best forwards from the 2013 draft at this point.
Jones is the best defenseman,
All 3 I'd take ahead of Horvat at this point.
Drouin's high end skill and offensive upside would be tough to pass up and I'd still probably take him ahead of Horvat.
After that I'd put Horvat into a group of Barkov, Lindholm, Ristolainen and Nurse where you can argue for any of them. Which at the draft I don't think you could've put Horvat in this group, so he has moved up nicely.
Jones is the best defenseman,
All 3 I'd take ahead of Horvat at this point.
Drouin's high end skill and offensive upside would be tough to pass up and I'd still probably take him ahead of Horvat.
After that I'd put Horvat into a group of Barkov, Lindholm, Ristolainen and Nurse where you can argue for any of them. Which at the draft I don't think you could've put Horvat in this group, so he has moved up nicely.
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Well ****... I mean if it is gaurenteed right?! Thanks for the chuckle.
Do like what i've seen of him this year. Idunno much about the nucks C situation next year, do people think he will at least be playing 3C or whats the deal?
Galchenyuk is also playing on the third line due to two center ahead of him at the same age as Horvat who is only two goals back of his 2013/2014 so a comparison is fair to a certain point?
Galchenyuk
GP 65 13 18 31
Horvat
GP 52 11 9 20 (currently)
Galchenyuk
GP 65 13 18 31
Horvat
GP 52 11 9 20 (currently)
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100%. I think it's pointless to have a 2nd/3rd line distinction.
I made a thread about it once upon a time...
With enforcers gone.... player categories will move to :
Top line player - elite scorers (Sedin)
Top 6 player - skilled, 2nd tier scorers that can jump up in a pinch (Vrbata)
Middle 6 player - skilled 2-way capability, or provides good depth scoring (Higgens)
Bottom 6 player - utility, defensive, glue, energy guys. (Dorsett)
The 5 min/night player is no longer going to be worth a roster spot.
Edit: I see you were talking about lines.... not players... But still relatable. in terms of how coaches use their lines i guess.,
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I was amazed to find out that he's getting heavier as the season goes on and seems to be getting faster too. currently playing at 220lbs and looks faster than ever. must be solid muscle. he's a tank for a 19 year old.
Horvats ceiling is a very good 2 way 1B/2A centre like Kesler. His floor, at this point seems like a 4th line checking centre, likely he will be a more offensively minded version of 2010-2011 Malhotra.
Horvat has only impressed, will he be the best from his draft year? Of course not. Will he be a very good player for a long time? At this point it seems more likely than not, but will he be a superstar? Absolutely not. He was, is, and will be a very good pick.
Horvat has only impressed, will he be the best from his draft year? Of course not. Will he be a very good player for a long time? At this point it seems more likely than not, but will he be a superstar? Absolutely not. He was, is, and will be a very good pick.
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Some of these posts are so overabundant in sensationalism and hyperbole it's making my head spin.
I agree with Bob McKenzie's take on Horvat at the 2:30 mark.
I agree with Bob McKenzie's take on Horvat at the 2:30 mark.
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