Zegs2sendhelp
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Every draft pick is a gamble lol
We won’t know who the top players in draft are for a few years.
C Beckett Sennecke - Oshawa Generals, OHL (2024, 3rd, ANA)
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We won’t know who the top players in draft are for a few years.
CristianoRonaldo
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You can make that argument with Michkov, but Sennecke ? We don't care, we got Demidov, the superior player.
I love Sennecke as much as any other Ducks fans in this thread. I think he’s got some filthy mitts on top of a good hockey sense and and a good frame but Demidov is simply on another level
Zegs2sendhelp
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My comment was mostly satire, the posts previous were deleted. Where Montreal fans were bashing on sennecke
But we don’t know yet…. We’ll see how they look at the nhl lvl
Neither of these two players are on any level at all until they have some success in the NHL.
Arguing about this already is just going to stress the HFBoards’ fragile servers and cause this whole place to crash again.
Which, now that I think about it, might be a good thing for humanity.
These players were drafted into the NHL. Neither have played there yet. Neither are superior yet.You can make that argument with Michkov, but Sennecke ? We don't care, we got Demidov, the superior player.
CristianoRonaldo
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We can still value some players more than others, unless you think that Owen Beck who played in the NHL is superior to Sennecke, who has yet to make the NHL, in that case, we can make a trade... Sennecke+1st for Beck.
Haha no I think we will keep SenneckeWe can still value some players more than others, unless you think that Owen Beck who played in the NHL is superior to Sennecke, who has yet to make the NHL, in that case, we can make a trade... Sennecke+1st for Beck.
Just everyone saying the Ducks should’ve taken Demidov (not necessarily you) we can’t say it with certainty until we see what happens. They don’t play on the same continent yet. Time will tell.
Zegs2sendhelp
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The other part of that equation…. Is we have not really drafted a Russian in Russia(in first 3 rounds) for over 20 years.
I don’t think Demidov was ever realistically an option for us… we just don’t do Russians in Russia.
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Sennecke grew another inch this past season, bringing him up to 6'4. What is great about Sennecke is he's still playing like a small player in his bigger frame, which was a 5'10 forward. His coordination is still adapting to growing body, but his weight still remained the same. Sennecke was seen as a project with the highest upside by the Ducks' org. He is thin as rails still and will probably need a couple of seasons to fill in his frame, if he stops growing this season. With more weight, there's a chance that Sennecke can do more power forward stuff along with his small player game.
We should check back in a few years to see how Sennecke has filled in, how is game has evolved, and where in the pros is he playing. The Ducks' scouting dept love to draft on who the player could be into the future and not who they are today. Apparently, with Sennecke still growing, it's a hidden surprise.
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As for other prospects, I hope they pan out b/c it makes the NHL that much better. And with more talks of expansion, the NHL will need more high end players on the ice to keep the sport entertaining.
We should check back in a few years to see how Sennecke has filled in, how is game has evolved, and where in the pros is he playing. The Ducks' scouting dept love to draft on who the player could be into the future and not who they are today. Apparently, with Sennecke still growing, it's a hidden surprise.
What The...Duck: Anaheim Prospect Beckett Sennecke Could Soon Dazzle At NHL Level
By Ken Campbell, Features Writer
As for other prospects, I hope they pan out b/c it makes the NHL that much better. And with more talks of expansion, the NHL will need more high end players on the ice to keep the sport entertaining.
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How often do guys who aren't physical in juniors become physical in the NHL? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say "never", because I really can't think of one. Sennecke's size is useful because it gives him a ridiculous reach, which helps him pull off those crazy puck-handling moves, not because he has any semblance of a power game.Sennecke grew another inch this past season, bringing him up to 6'4. What is great about Sennecke is he's still playing like a small player in his bigger frame, which was a 5'10 forward. His coordination is still adapting to growing body, but his weight still remained the same. Sennecke was seen as a project with the highest upside by the Ducks' org. He is thin as rails still and will probably need a couple of seasons to fill in his frame, if he stops growing this season. With more weight, there's a chance that Sennecke can do more power forward stuff along with his small player game.
We should check back in a few years to see how Sennecke has filled in, how is game has evolved, and where in the pros is he playing. The Ducks' scouting dept love to draft on who the player could be into the future and not who they are today. Apparently, with Sennecke still growing, it's a hidden surprise.
What The...Duck: Anaheim Prospect Beckett Sennecke Could Soon Dazzle At NHL Level
By Ken Campbell, Features Writer
As for other prospects, I hope they pan out b/c it makes the NHL that much better. And with more talks of expansion, the NHL will need more high end players on the ice to keep the sport entertaining.
The disparity between opinions on Sennecke come down to who watches him play regularly versus who watches the highlight reels. Because Sennecke's highs are absolutely bat-shit insane. The puck-handling, dangles, hand-eye coordination, crazy moves, he can do that stuff at a level 90% of NHLers can only dream of. Better than Demidov, better than Celebrini, better than whoever. But when he's not pulling that stuff, he's just kinda there. No defensive game, low-pace, not a puck-hound. I think the worry would be that he's like Quinton Byfield, where you see him pull off a ridiculous goal once or twice a year and the rest of the time you're wondering where he is.
Hockey Duckie
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Unfortunately, the answer I give will help Sennecke, but simultaneously depress Duck fans. Anaheim has created it's own Stepford Wives' program of taking all of their youths, beefing them up in the gym, and forcing them to play defense first. That's a huge factor as to why the Ducks' scoring is at the bottom of the NHL for the past two seasons and neutering the offensive youth forwards' production. Carlsson has become one of the Ducks best forward defenders at the cost of his offense. Fortunately, someone on his Swede team at the 4 Nations event helped to re-spark his offensive mind. Even Zegras backchecks harder now, but his offense has suffered greatly.
Again, the Ducks org have stated they will take their time with Sennecke. For myself, I wanted to make sure that Sennecke's second half surge last year wasn't a fluke. It was not a fluke and I am ecstatic about it. He also met one of my wants in scoring over 30 goals in the regular season, which is also proof that the 2nd half surge last year wasn't a fluke. Brad Allen from Hockey Prospects said in a post-draft review that to be selected in the top-5, then a forward must have the capacity to score 30 goals in the CHL. Allen's studied Sennecke's 2nd half and believed Sennecke could do that. Sennecke reached the 30 goal threshold in 21 fewer games than last season.
Now, we can add more dimensions to him, but he needs to add more mass to his frame. Except, it will be difficult to do that if he is still stretching up taller. The odd part about Ducks and drafting RW's who aren't great at defense, but can score a bunch is they found success with one in Corey Perry. One trait that Sennecke has over Perry is that Sennecke is a better skater. I do wonder if Sennecke and his lack of defense could have helped team Canada score a lot more with his offense at the WJC-20? We both know that Sennecke will probably be selected to represent team Canada at next year's WJC-20.
Anaheim can take their time with Sennecke's development. There's no rush considering all the talent the team has currently on the team. At RW, they have Troy Terry, Alex Killorn, and prospect Sam Colangelo at the NHL club. The org could probably land a top-6 RW in the off-season as well. The team boasts a lot of top-9 drafted selection youth forwards in C/LW Zegras, C McTavish, LW Gauthier, and C Carlsson already in the NHL.
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And that's absolutely the right course of action. Slow-play Sennecke, hope he finds those attributes he's missing.
But the greater point is that Sennecke's numbers this year are nothing special. He's 15th in the OHL in scoring. He was outscored by two defensemen drafted after him. Martone and Rehkopf outscored Sennecke but barely played at the WJC, yet many fans are convinced Sennecke would have lit up the tournament is the difference between medaling and what happened.
Why discuss anything at all then? Why not wait until their careers are over before saying anything? After all, we never truly know what’s going to happen.
The sentiment you expressed here really just boils down to you not wanting to read opinions you disagree with, like several other Ducks fans in this thread.
Here’s a tip you all might find useful: don’t read them then if you aren’t interested in that type of discussion, instead of trying to police the narrative.
Problem solved.
You just repeated what I said lol.
In the meantime, people are free to analyze, assess, or share their takes about these players.
Sharks fan here, I dont wish Senneckes production was better but I bet Ducks fans do. That being said I wouldn't be worried. I watched him undress Dickinson a few months ago 1 on 1 for a goal and the hands are unreal. He's becoming a gigantic power forward and has unreal skill. Hitting the weight room and getting proper coaching will probably get him away from the perimeter and have him putting pucks in at the next level. Time will tell but he has all the tools and even now isn't something to fret about... would've taken Demidov hehe.
There are plenty of things to discuss.
But comparing two players in different leagues with different standards is completely subjective.
You can continue to act like you are some authority, though. I’m sure it will win you plenty of Internet points.
It wasn’t me, actually, that was comparing Sennecke and Demidov, not any time recently anyway. I was comparing him to other OHL players from his own draft and several Ducks fans got angry for some reason.
That’s just your own projection talking. I’m not the one trying to tell others what they can and can’t say about this player, or any other.
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Indeed, the Sennecke on Dickinson goal was what made the highlight reel. But Dickinson played him extremely well the rest of the game to the point that Sennecke was a non-factor.
Sennecke plays an extremely junior-style game right now. Betting in elite talent often works out, but this guy is a ways from being an effective NHL player.
MichaelFarrell
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If my team took Sennecke over Demidov I’d be physically ill.
I think Sennecke could be in effective player, but I completely agree with your assessment.
I'll say that in today's NHL, being "physical" isn't really required. With the kind of NHL game that's being played today, players who are the most effective aren't the "physical" ones.
Sennecke can take a hit or can dish a hit. I don't think the Ducks are too worried about that aspect of the game. He'll have to get stronger and hit the gym, for sure, but that's true for most prospects.
Oshawa was 36-20 with him in the lineup, and 5-7 without him. Small sample size without him, but still a good difference.
All players have their flaws. Also, as much as people like to see high point-per-game ratios in juniors, opponents and players use vary so much in junior that the variation isn't just skill-based, but often circumstantial to what team/conference the player plays for. Plus, players who use their size well in juniors tend to have higher PPGs that don't translate because in the NHL they lose that advantage. At least, that won't be Sennecke's situation.
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I'd say the ones winning Stanley Cups are.I'll say that in today's NHL, being "physical" isn't really required. With the kind of NHL game that's being played today, players who are the most effective aren't the "physical" ones.
Sennecke can take a hit or can dish a hit. I don't think the Ducks are too worried about that aspect of the game. He'll have to get stronger and hit the gym, for sure, but that's true for most prospects.
Oshawa was 36-20 with him in the lineup, and 5-7 without him. Small sample size without him, but still a good difference.
All players have their flaws. Also, as much as people like to see high point-per-game ratios in juniors, opponents and players use vary so much in junior that the variation isn't just skill-based, but often circumstantial to what team/conference the player plays for. Plus, players who use their size well in juniors tend to have higher PPGs that don't translate because in the NHL they lose that advantage. At least, that won't be Sennecke's situation.
The best recipe for going deep in the playoffs is a high tempo, heavy brand of hockey. So although you don't need all your players playing this way it certainly helps the overall cause. If accumulating points is the goal you are probably right, if going deep in the playoffs is the goal I'm not so sure.
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Sennecke is 2-3 years away but once he grows into his body he will be a special talent. Cant wait to see Gauthier Carlsson Sennecke line.
It's a mix of players. Take the Panthers last year, I wouldn't say Reinhart, Verhaeghe, and Rodrigues play a "physical" game, yet they all contributed on that team with more than 15 points each during the playoffs run.
Last year and early this year (only two games), Sennecke played well during the playoffs. Sometimes, he plays a little too cute with the puck, but he will rush the defense, throw hits, and put his body in the way to make a play in those games.
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