C Auston Matthews - USNTDP, USHL (2016 Draft)

[sureloss]

http://swisshockeynews.ch/index.php...-with-the-tampa-bay-lightning-has-been-voided

What about this then?

Not sure what that is, but according to this:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669998

The National Hockey League reached a consensus on Thursday with several member nations of the International Ice Hockey Federation for a new Player Transfer Agreement that could be as long as seven years and, at minimum, will be four years, NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly told NHL.com.

The Player Transfer Agreement still has to be ratified by the League's Board of Governors. Daly said the Board should vote by the end of next week. Daly said Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, France, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland and Germany are the national federations which have signed off on the new Agreement.

 

[Richi]

http://swisshockeynews.ch/index.php...-with-the-tampa-bay-lightning-has-been-voided

What about this then?

Suri signed a contract with the EV Zug WITHOUT an option to go to the NHL.

Players could also sign a longer contract but insert a clause which allows them to leave for the NHL if they want to. In that case the player can go to the NHL, but if he returns to Switzerland and the original contract is still running, he'd have to return to the organisation he signed with.

Suri didn´t have this option, but still decided to sign with Tampa Bay. Then the EV Zug told Suri that they are not willing to void his contract and thus the contract Suri signed with Tampa Bay was declared invalid.

 

[couture23]

THis means he could play AHL immediately after being drafted right? Not that he'll need it but still could be a ffactor

I understand what you're trying to say, but Matthews will not play a game in the AHL in his career.

 

[SCBdude]

As far as I know Bern is top5 European club salary budget wise, behind a few top KHL teams only. It's richer than Jokerit, which has 10M euro salary budget. But ZSC isn't that rich.

ZSC is actually a very wealthy club for Swiss standards. They are backed by a billionaire and a multi-millionaire.
Lugano would probably be the Swiss club with the most money. Also backed by a billionaire but they basically have no monetary limitations at all.

 

[Chileiceman]

I think it's wonderful for his development to get a chance to play an important role in a men's league before going to the NHL. I'd rank the NLA as the 3rd best in Europe, on par with the AHL. He'll be more prepared than if went to junior or NCAA. Also good that he will have an extra year in his career where he gets to make some good money. Hopefully this is a precedent for mega talents such as himself to follow.

Switzerland is also a very good destination because travel is easy, has a ton of North Americans playing and coaching in it, English is spoken in locker rooms, high standard of living, and good money to be had.

 

[dudeoverhere]

I understand what you're trying to say, but Matthews will not play a game in the AHL in his career.

thats a bit far-fetched considering his underage and the AHL is a development league for NHL players lol

 

[TJL48]

thats a bit far-fetched considering his underage and the AHL is a development league for NHL players lol

Don't think it is that far fetched. Being compared to Eichel and is very old for his draft year. Think it would be pretty surprising if he spent any time in the AHL.

 

[canuck2010]

Not sure NCAA is best route. Sure its a better league than CHL with older players, but you run the risk of being trapped behind seniors and putting up less points

If you go to the CHL you get to play way more games as the go to guy against lesser opposition. Way better chance to showcase

The NCAA is not as better league that the CHL.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The NCAA is not as better league that the CHL.

Here we go again . . .

And yes the level of competition is higher in the NCAA than the CHL. Players are faster and stronger because of their age advantage. Defense is much better. And goaltenders are far more developed.

The overwhelming majority of people in hockey hold the same opinion. The small minority who are in disagreement are either complete Canadian homers or are ignorant to the level of play in the NCAA.

 

[dwanmaster*]

The NCAA is not as better league that the CHL.

Keep telling yourself that maybe one day it'll come true

 

[YEGJuniorFan]

The NCAA is not as better league that the CHL.

You're up ***** creek trying to argue that the CHL is better competition than the NCAA.

CHL stars > average NCAA player
NCAA players >> average CHL players

 

[NTDP]

Here we go again . . .

And yes the level of competition is higher in the NCAA than the CHL. Players are faster and stronger because of their age advantage. Defense is much better. And goaltenders are far more developed.

The overwhelming majority of people in hockey hold the same opinion. The small minority who are in disagreement are either complete Canadian homers or are ignorant to the level of play in the NCAA.

Totally agree. I used to be a big CHL>NCAA guy but about 5-6 years ago when I started watching more NCAA games I realized that they play at the same pace as the CHL does, plus the players are bigger and stronger. Heck the league below the NCAA, the USHL is regarded by pro scouts as on par, or pretty damn close to the CHL, and a huge amount of USHL players go the the NCAA route every year. It's no longer a league for later bloomers, it's an elite level of play that is quickly sending players to the NHL, and the numbers are only getting larger.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Very interested to see how this pans out. He's going to be playing in the (arguably) 3rd best league in the world, against men in his draft year. He'll also get paid handsomely to do so.

The only concern is if he doesn't perform to expectations and ends up being loaned to NLB OR if he is consistently scratched for other Imports as they are only allowed to dress 4 per game.

 

[Semantics]

The Eichel homers just love to harp on this false notion that having slightly more physically mature players somehow makes the NCAA a better development league than the CHL. Which is clearly not true when you look at the results -- elite players have come out of both systems, but arguably disproportionately more high end talent has come from the CHL and its predecessors, including some of the best American players like Lafontaine, Kane, Modano, as well as generational talents like Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, McDavid.

Fact of the matter is that the CHL has more exceptional talent by simple virtue of the fact players start there two younger usually. Superstars like Eichel typically only play a single year in the NCAA, maybe two in some cases (Toews), or if they have an early birthday will be drafted straight out of the NTDP. Connor McDavid has played in the CHL for three years, and at the low end you have Stamkos playing two, but pretty much every star player plays at least that many.

Eichel mostly plays with a bunch of scrubs who will never make the NHL. McDavid plays with Strome, who will be one of the top picks in this draft, and DeBrincat who is looking like a high pick in 2016. Eichel is getting experience playing with a bunch of low skilled grinders, while McDavid is getting experience playing with creative players who can think the game at a similar level to guys like Hall and Eberle who he'll be playing with in the NHL. *That* is why the CHL is a superior development league -- it emphasizes hockey IQ while the NCAA emphasizes physical skills.

Smart move by Matthews if he bypasses the NCAA and/or the CHL in favor of playing with more talented players. It will be better for his development. I think he's going to be significantly better than Eichel, maybe as good as McDavid.

 

[VictorLustig]

Totally agree. I used to be a big CHL>NCAA guy but about 5-6 years ago when I started watching more NCAA games I realized that they play at the same pace as the CHL does, plus the players are bigger and stronger. Heck the league below the NCAA, the USHL is regarded by pro scouts as on par, or pretty damn close to the CHL, and a huge amount of USHL players go the the NCAA route every year. It's no longer a league for later bloomers, it's an elite level of play that is quickly sending players to the NHL, and the numbers are only getting larger.

I've seen a USHL team dominate a CHL team, that was on big ice though. Junior teams can't compete against older teams, the game is so different.

 

[WaltWhitman]

The Eichel homers just love to harp on this false notion that having slightly more physically mature players somehow makes the NCAA a better development league than the CHL. Which is clearly not true when you look at the results -- elite players have come out of both systems, but arguably disproportionately more high end talent has come from the CHL and its predecessors, including some of the best American players like Lafontaine, Kane, Modano, as well as generational talents like Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, McDavid.

Fact of the matter is that the CHL has more exceptional talent by simple virtue of the fact players start there two younger usually. Superstars like Eichel typically only play a single year in the NCAA, maybe two in some cases (Toews), or if they have an early birthday will be drafted straight out of the NTDP. Connor McDavid has played in the CHL for three years, and at the low end you have Stamkos playing two, but pretty much every star player plays at least that many.

Eichel mostly plays with a bunch of scrubs who will never make the NHL. McDavid plays with Strome, who will be one of the top picks in this draft, and DeBrincat who is looking like a high pick in 2016. Eichel is getting experience playing with a bunch of low skilled grinders, while McDavid is getting experience playing with creative players who can think the game at a similar level to guys like Hall and Eberle who he'll be playing with in the NHL. *That* is why the CHL is a superior development league -- it emphasizes hockey IQ while the NCAA emphasizes physical skills.

Smart move by Matthews if he bypasses the NCAA and/or the CHL in favor of playing with more talented players. It will be better for his development. I think he's going to be significantly better than Eichel, maybe as good as McDavid.

McDavid has only ever played on stacked teams. Let's see how he does on the Oilers

Eichel plays with scrubs and makes them better.

Good points in favor of Eichel. I guess you aren't as biased as I thought.

 

[CaseyMitts37]

The two people debating CHL>NHL are someone with the username "canuck" and the other with a maple leaf as their avatar, why is this not surprising?

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

The Eichel homers just love to harp on this false notion that having slightly more physically mature players somehow makes the NCAA a better development league than the CHL. Which is clearly not true when you look at the results -- elite players have come out of both systems, but arguably disproportionately more high end talent has come from the CHL and its predecessors, including some of the best American players like Lafontaine, Kane, Modano, as well as generational talents like Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, McDavid.

Fact of the matter is that the CHL has more exceptional talent by simple virtue of the fact players start there two younger usually. Superstars like Eichel typically only play a single year in the NCAA, maybe two in some cases (Toews), or if they have an early birthday will be drafted straight out of the NTDP. Connor McDavid has played in the CHL for three years, and at the low end you have Stamkos playing two, but pretty much every star player plays at least that many.

Eichel mostly plays with a bunch of scrubs who will never make the NHL. McDavid plays with Strome, who will be one of the top picks in this draft, and DeBrincat who is looking like a high pick in 2016. Eichel is getting experience playing with a bunch of low skilled grinders, while McDavid is getting experience playing with creative players who can think the game at a similar level to guys like Hall and Eberle who he'll be playing with in the NHL. *That* is why the CHL is a superior development league -- it emphasizes hockey IQ while the NCAA emphasizes physical skills.

Smart move by Matthews if he bypasses the NCAA and/or the CHL in favor of playing with more talented players. It will be better for his development. I think he's going to be significantly better than Eichel, maybe as good as McDavid.

Saying that the level of competition in a league is higher is not the same as saying that the league is a better development league. Those are two different things.

McDavid has only ever played on stacked teams. Let's see how he does on the Oilers

Eichel plays with scrubs and makes them better.

Good points in favor of Eichel. I guess you aren't as biased as I thought.

When McDavid was drafted by the Otters it had just finished dead last in the OHL. His first season on it, it was the second worst team in the OHL. McDavid is one of the main reasons the team improved.

 

[Random Forest]

Eichel mostly plays with a bunch of scrubs who will never make the NHL.

...

Smart move by Matthews if he bypasses the NCAA and/or the CHL in favor of playing with more talented players.

Lol, so the NCAA is full of scrubs who will never make the NHL, but the NLA...isn't?

Your posts are so devoid of sense it's comical.

 

[Voight]

It would be a great move by him.

 

[Voight]

McDavid has only ever played on stacked teams. Let's see how he does on the Oilers

Eichel plays with scrubs and makes them better.

Good points in favor of Eichel. I guess you aren't as biased as I thought.

This is simply not true.

The Otters were 19-40-4 in McDavids rookie year. Hardly stacked.

 

[AD1066]

Can we sticky a NCAA vs. CHL thread and talk about Matthews in here?

 

[WaltWhitman]

This is simply not true.

The Otters were 19-40-4 in McDavids rookie year. Hardly stacked.

Yeah but they're a CHL team, not NCAA, so every player will become an NHL superstar. Nice try.

 

[Urbanskog]

Only a few like Matthews, McDavid, Eichel, etc would be able to play in the higher leagues though (KHL, Swiss, Sweden), but still playing in Finland or in Germany or Sweden's 2nd league could be very exciting and a great learning experience for any solid prospect out there.

You actually grouped the Finnish league together with the Swedish 2nd league and DEL?

 

[Urbanskog]

I think players who go to Western Europe like Switzerland, Germany, or Sweden wouldn't have that much trouble adjusting to the culture nor would it hurt their draft stock after they adjust. A bigger culture shock may happen in Finland and Russia, but I doubt the few who will make the trip overseas will go to Russia anyway.

Hah, just wondering, why do you think that going to Finland would be a culture shock? It's not much different from Sweden.

To reply to the topic, I think it's great that he dares to consider taking a different route.