This, I despise the leafs, but they chose the right player here, Laine's WHC was 2 completely different tournaments.
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This, I despise the leafs, but they chose the right player here, Laine's WHC was 2 completely different tournaments.
Gsus
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So should we just judge his scoring totals and not look how he actually played in the games with no points? For example he also hit the crossbar against USA with a one timer and was great against Canada in the first game, so it's not that he played bad, he just didn't show up in the statsheet.
Clearly it isn't as easy to score against big countries as the smaller ones. The ******* injured Laine in the preliminary round's last game, which must have affected Laine's game (required a surgery later). He still had a goal and an assist in the last three games, so it's not like he declined towards the end.
Lets just say that he didn't score against the biggest countries except the assist on GWG in the Semis against Russia.
I'm pretty confident you'll get to see what he's made of in the World Cup.
There were 4 fins that outscored Matthews in that tournament and Barkov who tied Matthews in points with 1 less game played. If Matthews had even remotely the same amount of offense on his team, he would've left Laine in the dust. If you're gonna make excuses, make them for both the players, not just one of them.
Gsus
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He said that Laine had two different tournaments in there, I'm saying he had one great tournament.
Why should I include Matthews in there, when Laine's performance has nothing to do with his? And I'm not making excuses, I'm telling you the truth. What I'm getting of Blitz is that Laine had many off games there, so could you point out them?
Matthews had worse linemates, and scoring obviously takes a hit because of that. But I wasn't here to comment on his performance, but to correct Blitz on Laine's.
Did you even read what I was commenting on or did you just feel to make a post praising Matthews when it's unneccessary?
Has anyone ever seen Matthews use a one-timer? I'm just curious as to why some people are saying his shooting ability is very close to that of Laine, how is that exactly? He definitely has a great release on his wrister, but it's not that rare.
I didn't think that was the case. IMO Matthews didn't get outplayed by many people in that tournament. And Laine certainly wasn't one of them. But it's subjective and you have a right to your opinion.
Laine certainly wasn't one of them? Huh
WHC MVP
WHC Best forward
WHC All-Star team
WHC TOP 3 player on team
10gp 7+5 = 12
vs
WHC TOP 3 player on team
10gp 6+3 = 9
Well i guess you are entitled on an opinion eventho it is clearly a wrong one.
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I'd say Matthews release is pretty rare, it's always been a highly regarded aspect of his game and what makes him pretty dangerous in many situations.
Also Matthews is a center who drives the play, usually is the one carrying the puck to make the plays and heads to the net to grab those garbage goals with his great hands. I doubt he has many chances to use a one timer where he positions himself and a high percentage wrist shot or a quick tap in would make more sense at that distance. Maybe we'll see him use more one-timers in the upcoming tournament since there are a lot of centers on team NA and there's a chance he'll be on the wing.
This is one aspect as to why many people think his game will translate to the NHL with ease. High percentage shots in close are golden in the NHL.
No need to get so defensive, Matthews had a lot more responsibilities and had to be the go to guy on his team. I personally think Laine wasn't the best player on his team let alone the tournament and one of the Russian's should have won MVP.
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Matthews didn't get outplayed by Laine at the WHC, he was better in games that mattered while being on a worse team.
All-Star team is selected by media - Laine in / Matthews out
Best player by position is selected by Directorate - Laine in / Matthews out
MVP is selected by Jury - Laine in / Matthews out
All these professionals saw Laine as winner in each category and yet you guys on hfboards claim Matthews was better in the tournament.
You should ask yourself who has more knowledge on the matter - you or a group of guys who do that for a living. If your answer is 'you' that's where the problem is.
teravaineSAROS
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My take on it is this:
Laine's been performing better than Matthews this last half a year (his performance in the Liiga playoffs was just ridicolous) BUT that's a too short of a time span to know if he's the real deal, where as Matthews is a safer pick.
Laine's been performing better than Matthews this last half a year (his performance in the Liiga playoffs was just ridicolous) BUT that's a too short of a time span to know if he's the real deal, where as Matthews is a safer pick.
Matthews was the worst player on team USA in the bronze match.
Against Canada he was -3 with 2 goals against being off his personal mistakes. He was good vs Czechia, but would that have been case if the offside goal was called?
His best match might have been the one vs Finland if I'm being honest. Then again, that's the one I paid most attention to.
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I'm trying not to base my players' judgment on media hype. Not sure how it is in other countries but Czech hockey writers, with a few exceptions, usually don't know that much about their subject and tend to be very conformist and prone to groupthink. Do you think Jágr was really the best player last year?
Laine was padding his stats against second rate teams but wasn't really dangerous against top competition (apart from the great assist against Russia), while Matthews basically became his team's go-to-guy during the knock-out stage. Not saying this means he's gonna be a better player in the NHL than Laine (though I do like him better as a prospect) but he certainly didn't get outplayed by the latter at the 2016 WCH.
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You do realize that these professionals have Canada's 7th defenceman as the best defenceman in the tournament right? These "professionals" are only attracted by fancy offensive numbers and don't pay attention to anything else. Rielly,Tanev, Ellis, Ceci and Dumba all played more than Matheson and yet Matheson was the best defenceman in the tourney.
glucker
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Matthews is also the better skater and far and away better defensively.
If Laine is better than Matthews it's just offense, and by a slim margin.
glucker
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All the major scouting services, outside of two that are known for putting together weird lists, had Matthews ahead of Laine.
If he is being touted better for his ability to score and that's it.. then yes that is exactly what we should be judging him on.
Can't have it both ways. He is either great because he can score better than anyone else, or he is good because of the rest of his game. Which is it?
And yet almost 90% of PROFESSIONAL scouting services had Matthews ranked as a better player with a better future than Laine
Almost like one like 2 week tournament isn't very meaningful
Don't take this the wrong way, you're one of the more reasonable pro-Laine guys in these threads, but don't you see how hilarious that statement is?
Despite a large amount of fan and professional opinion that Matthews was as good or better in the tournament the gospel counter is "herpy derp look at da points". When it's pointed out that Laine did **** all against the good teams it's "don't look at the points, he still played well."
Exactly. I like Laine, if we had the 2nd overall pick, I'd be as happy as Jets fans. We lucked out and got the 1st overall pick and Auston Matthews has had 1st overall written all over him since he was 16.
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It's so predictable how the Laine thread is about Laine but the Matthews thread becomes a pissing contest between the two.
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There is no contest - Matthews is the better player AINEC, that drives some Laine fans into a jealous rage and so they look to argue in here.
teravaineSAROS
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Listen, 95% of the people posting here (or any other thread where there's a debate going) have seen just maybe one but probably neither of Laine or Matthews play a single european game.
This is like the time people laughed at Barkov being picked 2nd overall ahead of Jones and Drouin without ever having seen him play and well today...
Either way whoever is better is debatable, whoever says "x is better AINEC" argue with emotion and don't even watch both play.
If I was to vote I'd likely pick Laine due to his clutch but unlike anyone else here I'm willing to admit I'm prone to being biased about that (nobody's objective)
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