That may be true, but this is just coming across as a bizarre and extremely premature victory lap instead of a discussion. Start a new thread for the subject and get outta here, imo.
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That may be true, but this is just coming across as a bizarre and extremely premature victory lap instead of a discussion. Start a new thread for the subject and get outta here, imo.
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I'm looking forward to Fantilli vs Carlsson in the next game. Both are going to be superstars but to see them face off early in their careers is going to be great
As long as Carlsson isn't scratched again, what a bust. Michkov wouldnt have been scratched
Hear, hear! This is a pretty egregious case of concern trolling and thread derailment. There's more discussion of Michkov than Fantilli in the past three pages. The topic is Adam Fantilli, not one Rangers fan's perception that Michkov is better and Columbus should be ashamed for passing on him.
Yeah, very much looking forward to it. As a Ducks fan I'm still following and happy for Fanta's success so it will be nice to see both in one go. Exciting young talent showcase.
What a difference a few months makes. Not long ago the only cheering either fanbase did was for losses. Now we each have our centers of the future and it all feels worth it. Should be a fun match up, fast paced which should suit both players/teams
Not much cheering on our board, just doom and gloom
but yeah, much more to be excited this year
This. I haven't said as much yet but now that Vegas has come full circle with its cup win, I'm far more interested in what my lifelong team is doing to develop its youth and get out of the rebuild. After months of hoping Anaheim would secure an optimal pick in a marquee draft, it's exciting to see the future unfold with Carlsson and the first match up against Fantilli should be a fun one.
Not much cheering on our board, just doom and gloom
What else is new?
Surprised to see Fantilli on the new NHL edge info that popped up. Obviously still early in the season but Fantilli was top 10 in speed bursts over 20mph across the league.
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He was fantastic against the Wild. Extremely fast, skilled, scary to be on the other side of. Columbus, in general, has a ton of speed, skill, and size. Good for them.
Not much cheering on our board, just doom and gloom
What else is new?
BB88
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As long as Carlsson isn't scratched again, what a bust. Michkov wouldnt have been scratched
But he was in the KHL, so is KHL in the end the better league?
I’d say aboot time.
People are sleeping on the talent they have.
Lol the Jackets couldn't get out of their zone until Friday. They only looked crazy fast vs Minny, and I'm not entirely sure Minny didn't just have a bad night?
I mean I hope that this is the new Jackets. The talent is there but it's hard to get a team playing that quickly, involving a lot more than individual skill.
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It could be. The Wild are pretty strapped for talent especially without Boldy and with Kaprizov starting slow and have looked pretty overmatched in every game except the Canadiens game from a possession standpoint outside of some stretches. The Jets were the fastest/most skilled team from an eye test though by far in a single game.
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All this Michkov talk has me disappointed that I'll never see Fantilli rip up the KHL. Fantilli would be putting up monster numbers there right now. His size, speed, and playstyle is perfect for racking up points there.
Guadana
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Or Michkov in NHL.
Its not that hard to root for every guy on the list. Michkov and all three top centers are great prospects and "sides of the diaput" could just pick the strategy to be happy with success of every player. And not talk false narratieves like *khl isn't the same" "why fantilli can't produce from the start" "top khl team cover weaknesses and help to produce(or sorry, I mean other false narrative) - its easier to produce on the bad team" "Bedard doesn't look like Auston from the start" "Fantilli doesn't play center from the start" etc. All of them are playing very good from the start, yes, one of them is trting to making new records, but again even if the league is very good, its not NHL.
Just Linda
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'False narratives'... 'KHL isn't the same'...
2013 KHL was significantly better than 2023 KHL. You'd have to live under a rock to not admit that. There was a huge decline in KHL talent even from 2 years ago to last year, elite prospects' model indicates another 11% talent drop from last year to this year. Heck, even the VHL and MHL have seen significant drop in league quality. It's a ghost of the league it once was, the decline is real. Depth issues have hit Russian hockey in a huge way, KHL rosters are significantly worse than 4 years ago. Players like Danila Palivko can go from second pairing whl 19 year old to KHL roster, that was so so rare a decade ago. Every team has those guys, outside of the few top guys, KHL is closer to echl quality.
Regardless of players, KHL isn't the same league. You can't use former players as comparables, you gotta examine how's and not what's.
This year top 4 are all drafted in the west. It would be great to see Will Smith vs Fantilli vs Carlsson vs Bedard.
Guadana
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Nope. Its a fals narrative.
When you are trasnlating it you are making the same mistake. Becuase you are not familiar with the subject, dont watching it regulary and dont analyze it rightfully. But for analizying you should at least use arguments and facts, not "strict statements". And to use a specific example of a single person as a general argument is just a great example of a low level of understanding of the subject and the overall approach to the discussion. Mukhamadullin was a player of the second pair in KHL with 25 points in 60 games, but in the AHL he scored 0.8-0.9 points per match immidietly. The difference is huge and it is in favor of the KHL. But of course, if someone has come up with some kind of model, then we can believe it blindly. As a Bader, according to whom Rantanen, Raymond and Sanderson are players with weak potential in the NHL. Pick the one you like more. As I remember eliteprospects had Mukhamadullin as "underaftable player" pr something like that. He was a main piece in Meier trade and SJ prefered him as main piece over everything other teams offered. But of course you can say they were stupid and there are no other good yound defensemen in Russia now, like it was some years ago. Or in fact Russia now producing more and more good defensemen what is making MHL and KHL better too. But eliteprospects made model, so you can use it "as argument". Young forwards have the same problems with playing in KHL, only super talented Michkov burn the league? No, he isnt not super talented, its because the whole league is weaker and the whole talented level of all russian players is weaker. Even if guys like Ponomarev and Mukhamadullin immidietly produce on AHL level.(sarcasm)
You can believe in the model you like. And since you broadcast these false narratives further, it means that in general we will continue this conversation in three years when Michkov arrives in the NHL. Good luck with models.
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BB88
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False narratives?
Are you kidding me right now?
European top leagues are full of players dominating who couldn’t keep up with NHL pace.
KHL is full of quality players who couldn’t crack the NHL.
Top6 lines would eat Michkov alive this year due to his lacking overall game. It’s fine and he’ll get it figured out but he shouldn’t in any case be playing in the NHL this year, whether or not he had the NHL contract
I live in Europe and have watched enough of these top leagues to say European leagues, including KHL are much more forgiving than the NHL.
It’s not a false narrative, it just doesn’t fit your fantast land
Guadana
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Yap, I said what kind of false narratievs i mean. And you are immidietly starting to give me arguments I never said. You are making insinuations, boy. I didnt said that Euro leages like KHL or SHL or Finns League or NL are tougher than NHL or on the level, I said the opposit. Please, read your opponents for the beginning.
And Michkov would not be eated by top-6 NHL teams. Or he would be. You dont know because you are not watching him. He is playing exactly like young talented players like Stuzle or McDavid or others - very flashy, very creative, not consistent. But he is showing better level of the game under pressure than you can ask from you young player in NHL. It is your subjective opinion and it is wrong.
The arguments are given, then your false statement simply argues with my statement - the correct one. I will not repeat myself, if you do not know how to listen and read, resorting simply to an evaluative judgment, then just accept the fact that in this situation it is just a collision of two evaluative judgments. While Michkov does not play in the NHL - all this is just an assumption in the end. But if Fantilli looked bad against adults on WC, and now he is already doing part of the work in the NHL, then Michkov, who was able to score enough points against adult players last year, and this year also performs more duties. and winning the fight for the puck against bigger players would also would do part of the duties in the NHL. Your doubts in this situation are too at odds with what is happening on the ice.
And, more importantly, my narrative overall is about A) potential B) need. I dont care who is better in the first year. Reason why Im repeating that people should stop to compare players now. And be patient with Fantilli and Carlsson. I said that its okay to draft centers even with little lower potential but with very great 80-90pts+ potential for the 1C role because even if they will have elite winger, they will win nothing without good 1C. But this center should be very good - Fantilli and Carlsson are very good centers with huge 1C potential. And even if they wil not play better than Michkov, they can make a lot of impact, especially because their teams already have good wingers and supporting stuff. Flyers have less. And Michkov for now will be in much worser situation, like Kaprisov in Wild. Kucherov was best players(at least best forward\best skater) for Tampa, they had huge success, Kucherov was great and impactful, best in the business, but because they had good centers Point and Stamkos. Like I said without good centers in the prime absolutelty great winger Ovechkin(or Jagr for example without Lemieux) couldnt won it. This is what I translated. But again you are trying to fight with windmills and you attribute to me thoughts and words that I didn't broadcast and didn't say.
Im asking you to be more classy again.
Can y'all please just go start a new thread if you wanna fight about Michkov vs Carlsson vs Fantilli and KHL vs SHL and whatever tf else you're talking about? You're flooding this thread, where I come to see updates about Fantilli, with useless bullshit.
If there was ever a single line to summarize debate on Hockey's Future.
I don't usually laugh out loud from HF comments but this one really got me, well done.
Kudos to you for actually reading that textwall
Guadana
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It was an irony over estimated judgments. Further, I literally said that we are competing in value judgments here. That's why I find such absolutely out-of-the-air judgments like "he definitely wouldn't play, he would definitely break records" hilarious.
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