Toggle sidebar

C Aatu Räty - Jukurit, Liiga (2021, 52nd, NYI)

Status
Not open for further replies.
What a blast. He's played his fourth game in a row now while staying on top of things. Actually considering that Aatu's been skating some 11+ minutes per game and yet been as effective as he has, there's a seriously good reason to question why his usage is so limited. Coaches should learn how to leave the age out of the equation whenever deciding lineups and base this on the performance instead, or the very least provide some better opportunities occasionally if nothing else.

Of course it's impossible to keep up producing points from the 4th line but if he keeps up the performance, then at least we should be looking at one affirmed franchise level talent for the 2021 draft.
 
kelsier said:
What a blast. He's played his fourth game in a row now while staying on top of things. Actually considering that Aatu's been skating some 11+ minutes per game and yet been as effective as he has, there's a seriously good reason to question why his usage is so limited. Coaches should learn how to leave the age out of the equation whenever deciding lineups and base this on the performance instead, or the very least provide some better opportunities occasionally if nothing else.

Of course it's impossible to keep up producing points from the 4th line but if he keeps up the performance, then at least we should be looking at one affirmed franchise level talent for the 2021 draft.
Click to expand...
I wonder why 99% of coaches do this?
Are they worse in their job than, lets say you, or do they know something we dont?

Nice to see another high end talent coming from Finland. Actually saw him live as I am visiting Lappeenranta this week. Superb talent.

I just hope this will not be as embarasing as Kakko Hughes was....
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1OApick and koalabear9301
Few top prospects like this actually have had hot starts in Liiga, most of the time the player might start slow and improve significantly towards the end of the season. That's why Räty's season so far is especially impressive, keeping the small sample size in mind, of course.
 
tellermine said:
I wonder why 99% of coaches do this?
Are they worse in their job than, lets say you, or do they know something we dont?

Nice to see another high end talent coming from Finland. Actually saw him live as I am visiting Lappeenranta this week. Superb talent.

I just hope this will not be as embarasing as Kakko Hughes was....
Click to expand...

If a prospect continuously defies the odds due to extremely low TOI and actually produces results then there should not be any reason whatsoever to hold him back (in the 4th line nor otherwise). Of course if you've noticed something I haven't then by all means feel free to elaborate what that exactly is. On the contrary, he should be rewarded and even if that didn't happen with huge silver spoon then at least it should begin with something small like a few extra minutes per or pretty much anything, yet I'm seeing none of this. And yes unfortunately there are plenty of not-so-good coaches out there, not even just in the FEL but even in the NHL as well.

I'm completely clueless about what Räty has to do with neither Kakko nor Hughes.
 
kelsier said:
If a prospect continuously defies the odds due to extremely low TOI and actually produces results then there should not be any reason whatsoever to hold him back (in the 4th line nor otherwise). Of course if you've noticed something I haven't then by all means feel free to elaborate what that exactly is. On the contrary, he should be rewarded and even if that didn't happen with huge silver spoon then at least it should begin with something small like a few extra minutes per or pretty much anything, yet I'm seeing none of this. And yes unfortunately there are plenty of not-so-good coaches out there, not even just in the FEL but even in the NHL as well.

I'm completely clueless about what Räty has to do with neither Kakko nor Hughes.
Click to expand...
Nääh. I have seen him in 1 game so I leave his usage to you and Kärpät.
I am quite certain there are legimite reason why his toi is limited at this point.

You missed Kakko mania?
It started with moan about his usage and then staff was horrible, linemates were horrible etc.
Whole team was just supposed to play just for Kakko.
Sadly Kakko was only one who knew how to play... Or skate or coach etc.

It was just pure horror to read.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Legend Leinonen and Finnish Tank Support
tellermine said:
Nääh. I have seen him in 1 game so I leave his usage to you and Kärpät.
I am quite certain there are legimite reason why his toi is limited at this point.

You missed Kakko mania?
It started with moan about his usage and then staff was horrible, linemates were horrible etc.
Whole team was just supposed to play just for Kakko.
Sadly Kakko was only one who knew how to play... Or skate or coach etc.

It was just pure horror to read.
Click to expand...
Do you think that TPS's staff and team is good? They have a top 3 budget and are #10 right now, playing terrible hockey day in day out. Their coach's considered the worst in the league. He had the highest odds of getting fired out of any coach by the betting agencies.

What's pure horror is people like you who think there's an agenda to everything.
 
Räty's still have some work to do on defensive awareness, which could explain their limited use. Kärpät are relying on defensive strength this year, at least so far, and perhaps they don't want juniors carrying a heavy burden in that regard.

As far as the Räty's go overall, holy smokes. It's rare to see two brothers, both juniors, playing in the same line with such amazing chemistry. It's too bad their third line mate isn't exactly known for creative or offensive play, but even so they are a great to watch. It will be VERY interesting to see how the lines develop once Jussi Jokinen and Janne Pesonen are both in the lineup, because it will be very hard to drop the Rätys, and it will be very hard to drop the current fourth line which is playing amazing as well.

Good times ahead for the Räty's, and good times ahead for prospect watchers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fr9dd9, Mysteric1000, JabbaJabba and 2 others
tellermine said:
Nääh. I have seen him in 1 game so I leave his usage to you and Kärpät.
I am quite certain there are legimite reason why his toi is limited at this point.

You missed Kakko mania?
It started with moan about his usage and then staff was horrible, linemates were horrible etc.
Whole team was just supposed to play just for Kakko.
Sadly Kakko was only one who knew how to play... Or skate or coach etc.

It was just pure horror to read.
Click to expand...

There wasn't much else about Kakko's usage being bad other than Filppula not being a suitable line mate cause at the time Kakko was a pass-first time of a player and Filppula wasn't a goal scorer (nevermind them having Wirtanen in the middle who wasn't neither playmaker or goal scorer). That claim was actually well warranted as we saw once they eventually permanently replaced him with Palve and things really started to happen as was correctly predicted by many around here, including myself. Otherwise Kakko's TOI was good from the get go. He didn't get a puck-controlling role in the powerplay from the start which was another minus, but even that was fixed later on. Still, I think you are overstating happenstances here pretty badly since like said, most of the arguments held merit and there weren't that much complaints.

Räty is a whole another story. He doesn't play 17+ minutes per game like Kakko did from the very beginning, not even close. That doesn't mean he's equally good at this point either. Nonetheless 11+ minutes per game isn't exactly awesome for one of the best center prospects we've seen coming out of the country in the recent years and one could even argue that despite his great performances, playing 20 minutes in the U20s would be better than playing 11+ minutes in the top league . This definitely needs a correction and I hope we don't have to wait half a season to see one.

Yet again nothing to do with Kakko, far less with Hughes. There's absolutely no reason to dig up to old non-sense to find resemblance when there isn't one, no matter if you look into circumstances or some rivalry (when there currently is none). Of course you can always look up to examples from the past where the youngsters aren't silver-spooned with a top role off the gates and you'll get an endless list of prospects (even elite ones), but that would be rather petty and irrelevant.
 
Not easy to catch of shot for gk, even if it wasnt shot for the radar (I bet that u can take about 5-8 km/h away from that shot when it hit the net from that distance which wuld make it about 136-139 km/h) and still a hard shot from that youngster who isnt probably known for howitzers.

I dunno if I see such a big problem with him playing in the fourth or third line development wise, cuz he culd be used in A-juniors aswell on a bigger role and coaches clearly trust in those brothers, giving them the PP time aswell. I know somebody here wuld like to rush things up and make a case he deserves it, but it also increase responsibilities and lvl of competition when u have to challenge and play against top lines in liiga. Maybe playing in more sheltered role u learn things better at first hand, cuz there are still things to work on than no matter how ready u r, (which u rarely are at the same age) theres still lack of experience, strenght in board battles etc... things. + Playing on a contender and its top-6 unit is not a common for everyone even if it has been for Lundell last ssn f.ex. Hes doing a very good job right now, cant deny it and we still culd enjoy that even with shorter sample size instead of making things sounds like theres some rush with him to be more responsible in contenders success.
 
So draft-wise he is ahead of Barkov, but Barkov entering the draft was almost a year younger than Räty entering the draft. So Barkov took a spot in Liiga around January draft -1. Räty is looking to do the same in a way better team in October draft -1. At this point, I view those two as similar type of players and prospects. And from what I've seen thus far, both, as undrafted juniors, have looked better against men than in juniors.

Though clearly Räty has more hype at this point of his career.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Svedu, bigbabybuda and Seppo the Genuine
Promoted to the second line with his brother and they've also replaced Sailio with Anttila. An interesting game ahead for the evening.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bigbabybuda
Was at game today and I think it is hardert see everything from live view. No replays and a lot of distractions. Anyway Aatu did not have his best game today. He played on wing and tried to control game from wing but it was apparent that he is a pure center. Really smart player without the puck constantly making right plays and showing willingness to compete.

His offensive game was not at best but I think it was pretty hard game to get going with constant penalties. He is clearly Liiga level player but it is hard to pass NHL-level players to play 1st line minutes. As a prospect I rate him higher than Kakko e.g.
 
  • Like
Reactions: FinPanda, LainePeg and bigbabybuda
Haven’t seen him play but his numbers look incredible so far. Looks to be the early 1st overall for 2021 title holder
 
I've watched all the three past games he's gone scoreless and thought he was excellent in the first two. Less so in the last one even though he almost scored. Clueless as to why they'd suddenly slot him to a wing when he's played so well in the center but that certainly proved nothing but Räty belonging to the middle of things. They also broke the brother tandem, slotting Aku in the 2nd line and Aatu in the 3rd even though Aatu has been the better of the two in my opinion. Curious as for what the lines will look like in today's game. He's going to be a good one.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1OApick
kelsier said:
I've watched all the three past games he's gone scoreless and thought he was excellent in the first two. Less so in the last one even though he almost scored. Clueless as to why they'd suddenly slot him to a wing when he's played so well in the center but that certainly proved nothing but Räty belonging to the middle of things. They also broke the brother tandem, slotting Aku in the 2nd line and Aatu in the 3rd even though Aatu has been the better of the two in my opinion. Curious as for what the lines will look like in today's game. He's going to be a good one.
Click to expand...

Brothers played in A-juniors today vs Tappara and whole Kärpät team got :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:d 7-0. So kinda offgame for whole team tbh.
 
Mysteric1000 said:
Brothers played in A-juniors today vs Tappara and whole Kärpät team got *******d 7-0. So kinda offgame for whole team tbh.
Click to expand...

Yeah noticed and I wonder how motivated they were going into that game. I honestly don't see why they got demoted, I mean sure both had cooled off since the first four games, but as long as I'm concerned it's more important how you play than whether you end up on the score sheet. Aatu especially had been playing well, apart from the very last FEL game where he got placed to the wing (off-position). Aku hadn't been bad either but Aatu was creating scoring chances without being a liability at his own end, playing better than Lundell did last year so in that light it doesn't make sense. He's still over 0,5 ppg despite of playing some maybe ~11-12 minutes in average (haven't confirmed but guessing). Maybe the brothers are too bound to each other so instead of judging them individually they're moved like a package. Oh well, decided I wasn't going to waste time watching Pulju so I skipped yesterday's game all together.
 
So this kid could really be the first pick in the future? Well, if the homerism is not too strong when he gets drafted.
I just have the feeling someone overseas will get b*tthurt and counter so let´s make it clear already. This has nothing to do with Kakko vs Hughes, Laine vs Matthews or Lundell vs Lafreniere, so don´t even bother replying with that bullsh*t. I would have picked Matthews and Lafreniere everyday, even though i believe Laine can become an elite goalscorer soon, and even if Lundell is a smart center. Kakko vs Hughes was the hardest for me to choose between, but the "Consensus #1 scout pick" being Hughes was nothing other than utter crap. Everyone knows it had with his market value as an american and his jewish roots, which was always going to be a perfect fit with the New Jersey Devils and their market. Hughes would and will always be every jersey fanboys idol, even if he would struggle for one o two years.

Back to Räty, no pressure and a lot can happen but right now he should be considered as the consensus first pick, and he would if he was north american. This kids stats just don´t lie. No one in the 2021 draft is even close to playing with men and being successful on that level at this point.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom