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Olympics: Bylsma - worst coach of the Olympics?

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Dan Bylsma is a great coach. The Americans wanted gold and sucked today.

Leading up to today they had a great tournament.

As the saying goes, "I've never seen a jockey carry the horse over the finish line."

Canada is better on paper than the U.S. and all things being equal they should beat the American lineup.

Finishing fourth is not bad for the U.S. cpnsidering their roster.

The Russian coaches, on the other hand, should be fired!
 
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Bylsma was quoted as saying the Penguins "will win game 4" in the Boston series last year.

He was also quoted as saying the USA "will win the bronze".

We know the results.
 
CapitalsCupFantasy said:
Really? He was one goal from the Gold Medal game. He did a fine job. He can't magically make Team USA blossom enough elite talent to beat Canada.
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Yes, he can't... and so he can play a style that gives his team a fighting chance, like Ron Wilson did in 2010. But he didn't, and instead rigidly stuck to a game plan that didn't work. It took him two periods to even try changing up his lines, and we saw the same today.
 
Dan Bylsma is great at a lot of things as a coach. But his few problems are so glaring that his many strengths simply don't overcome them. He is not a good coach and this is not a new opinion. Seeing him have the same problems us Pens fans have been complaining about for years with an entirely different team just reinforces what I already believed.
 
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TL said:
Dan Bylsma is a great coach.The Americans wanted gold and sucked today.

Leading up to today they had a great tournament.

As the saying goes, "I've never seen a jockey carry the horse over the finish line."

Canada is better on paper than the U.S. and all thing being equal they should beat the American lineup.

Finishing fourth is not bad for the U.S. cpnsidering their roster.

The Russian coaches, on the other hand, should be fired!
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I stopped reading after the bolded part.

Wow.
 
ogrezilla said:
dan bylsma is great at a lot of things as a coach. But his few problems are so glaring that his many strengths simply don't overcome them. He is not a good coach and this is not a new opinion. Seeing him have the same problems us pens fans have been complaining about for years with an entirely different team just reinforce what i already believed.
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this
 
Crymson said:
Yes, he can't... and so he can play a style that gives his team a fighting chance, just like Ron Wilson did in 2010. But he didn't, and instead rigidly stuck to a game plan that didn't work. It took him two periods to even try changing up his lines, and we saw the same today.
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USA had 2 guys that could skate head to head with Canada and gain the offensive zone with possession, Kessel and Kane. Canada had a team full of them. Yes, the US could possibly have won a miracle one goal game parking the bus and playing absurdly defensive, but IMO, play that game 100 times, Canada wins 90 times. USA needed a junk goal that never came. I don't fault Bylsma, but I understand angry USA supporters wanting to blame anyone they can. Canadian and now Finnish gloating can be frustrating.
 
Bylsma wins by sheer, brute force of talent in the NHL. When this doesn't work, his team fails, as he is absolutely unable to adapt. This was evident in these Olympics as well.
 
Was that the American team who was all-star during the Round Robins?

The american team who was also the only team whose offense wasn't experiencing problems?
 
I think it's a bit unfair to Bylsma. The semifinal game was extremely tight and could've gone either way, while it's obvious that Canada has a better sum of individual talent. In the bronze medal game I thought the Americans were playing well but couldn't score and the two Finnish goals early in the second period killed them. Stuff like this happens.
 
Pens fans have observed his incompetence over the last few seasons and other fans have caught on or are catching on a little later.

Byslma isn't the worst coach ever or anything, but he's bad. Still living off of a Cup win from years ago and having the privilege of having both Crosby/Malkin on his team with a quality supporting cast.
 
PricePkPatch said:
Was that the American team who was all-star during the Round Robins?

The american team who was also the only team whose offense wasn't experiencing problems?
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Dan Bylsma can coach just fine when he has the far superior team. Any AHL coach could have made the US team look good in the round robin just like any AHL coach could lead the division with the Penguins. Its coaching in important games/series against other good teams that he just isn't very good at.
 
Rexor said:
I think it's a bit unfair to Bylsma. The semifinal game was extremely tight and could've gone either way, while it's obvious that Canada has a better sum of individual talent. In the bronze medal game I thought the Americans were playing well but couldn't score and the two Finnish goals early in the second period killed them. Stuff like this happens.
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I could not agree more with this post.

To agree with the other side, though, as far as coaching the Pens goes I think Bylsma in the past three years has been at fault in not having the team focus more on winning lower scoring games. If you win a lot of 2-1 games you tend to do well in the playoffs. (The year the Pens won the Cup they knew this.)
 
Ogrezilla said:
Dan Bylsma is great at a lot of things as a coach. But his few problems are so glaring that his many strengths simply don't overcome them. He is not a good coach and this is not a new opinion. Seeing him have the same problems us Pens fans have been complaining about for years with an entirely different team just reinforce what I already believed.
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Said problems include:

- Being too stubborn to adjust, which results in games turning into dick measuring contests (like trying to out-hit Boston :shakehead )

- Falling in love with 4th liners and AHL scrubs and trying to use them in roles they can't fill (like giving Tanner Glass and Craig Adams shifts with Crosby on the first line).

- Not putting his best players in positions to succeed. He either doesn't think match-ups are important or doesn't know how to match-up.

- Only young players are held accountable for poor play. He has no problem benching Simon Despres or Beau Bennett for the slightest of reasons, but veteran players (especially ones that aren't that good) can keep going out there and keep making the same mistakes.
 
Ogrezilla said:
Dan Bylsma can coach just fine when he has the far superior team. Any AHL coach could have made the US team look good in the round robin just like any AHL coach could lead the division with the Penguins. Its coaching in important games/series against other good teams that he just isn't very good at.
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Some people can make the comment that team America's problem was in its build-up, rather than in its execution. You did not had the wingers needed to go through a grinding defence.

I missed the game; how was Patch?
 
Ogrezilla said:
Dan Bylsma can coach just fine when he has the far superior team. Any AHL coach could have made the US team look good in the round robin just like any AHL coach could lead the division with the Penguins. Its coaching in important games/series against other good teams that he just isn't very good at.
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Actually it's the COMPLETE opposite.

Byslma's most success comes when his team is riddled with injuries. It's when his team is healthy that he struggles the most.

This year the Penguins had 4 AHL callups on their blueline and Maatta and Niskanen were their top pairing D. They proceed to win like crazy and play unbelievable.

Once the team got healthy, their defensive game goes for a crap and they start to look worse than before.

Ask any Penguins fan, they'll tell you he gets the best out of very little and very little out of the best.
 
I said it years back and I'll say it again: He's the Erik Spoelstra of the NHL. He's a player's coach that is good at handling superstars and that goes a long way. He's good at handling adversity during the regular season (getting his guys to play in spite of injured stars/bad luck), but he does not have the hockey mind to outfox the likes of a Babcock, Q, Julien, Hitchcock or even a Carlyle.. especially in a 7 game series.

He's good enough to lead his team to the promised land, but only if his top players are performing to expectations. The elite coaches can make chicken salad out of chicken ****; Byslma (at this time) is not one of them.

He's not a bad coach by any means, but he is a bit overrated (this does not apply to the bulk of Pittsburgh fans; they have been 100% accurate in their judgments of the guy, and have been for years).
 
With all due respect to Bylsma, Kane/ Kesler. Phil Kessel is the best offensive weapon on your team. How the **** do you play him on the 2nd line and 2nd pp unit playing him 16-17 mins in crucial games? I just don't get the thinking. Kane struggled to put up offensive on his own and yet gets to play in every possible offensive situation. Gets easier defensive matchups and still fails to produce. I know I am heavily biased being a Leaf fan wanting to see more of Kessel but Bylsma completely dropped the ball specially against Canada. You don't play plugs like Brown and Callahan every other shift trying to win hockey games. It kills time and your best players sit cold on the bench. Stupidity all around.
 
BeastinB's said:
Always thought he was overrated cause he took the Pens team to the cup. Pretty much any coach in the NHL could of coached them to a cup with that lineup.

Unfortunately USA doesn't have that many great coaches to choose from.
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Is there a coach in the league who has done anything with a mediocre team? Every successful team is loaded. Including the two coaches teams for team Canada.

Playing Kunitz at all, let alone stifling the best player in the world with him, is probably a worse coaching move then anything Bylsma has done. However it won't hurt Canada because it's so talented.
 
danmcn12 said:
Is there a coach in the league who has done anything with a mediocre team? Every successful team is loaded. Including the two coaches teams for team Canada.

Playing Kunitz at all, let alone stifling the best player in the world with him, is probably a worse coaching move then anything Bylsma has done. However it won't hurt Canada because it's so talented.
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Good thing Perry and Nash are making up for it! :laugh:
 
MurphyDump said:
Actually it's the COMPLETE opposite.

Byslma's most success comes when his team is riddled with injuries. It's when his team is healthy that he struggles the most.

This year the Penguins had 4 AHL callups on their blueline and Maatta and Niskanen were their top pairing D. They proceed to win like crazy and play unbelievable.

Once the team got healthy, their defensive game goes for a crap and they start to look worse than before.

Ask any Penguins fan, they'll tell you he gets the best out of very little and very little out of the best.
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still only in the regular season though. You're right, he can get the best out of a team full of grinders. But a team full of grinders isn't good enough to win anything.
 
danmcn12 said:
Is there a coach in the league who has done anything with a mediocre team? Every successful team is loaded. Including the two coaches teams for team Canada.

Playing Kunitz at all, let alone stifling the best player in the world with him, is probably a worse coaching move then anything Bylsma has done. However it won't hurt Canada because it's so talented.
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The games against the European countries didn't suit Kunitz' game at all, but he looked good against the USA. He had a bunch of chances and looked like the player that compliments well. The fact that you're ignoring the game he played against the USA shows your hate.

Nobody played well in the first few games, except for maybe the D. Aside from Carter's hat trick, no forward stood out in a big way.

Stifling...that's funny. He's really held Crosby back these last few years.
 
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