Buyers and Sellers

[RayzorIsDull]

 

[OMG67]

The Attack currently have 4 OA and recently signed an 18 yr old goalie .

Just curious where you see an OA goalie benefiting them this season ?

Hint : Carter George has scored more goals recently than half their roster .

Under that scenario, what they do this year with goaltending and their OA’s is inconsequential. The primary topic is the trading of George. If they feel they need stability in net and they choose to prioritize that then so be it, otherwise they roll with their younger goalies.

We are only talking in hypotheticals. By the sounds of it, OS is not looking to move George ever, let alone this year.

 

[ohloutsider]

19th to the 29th but I am not sure the times that are applied to the freeze. So, at some point today, the freezer takes effect but I am not sure what that time is.

Window usually opens up The 27th at noon so not sure where the 29th comes from?

 

[Millpond]

Under that scenario, what they do this year with goaltending and their OA’s is inconsequential. The primary topic is the trading of George. If they feel they need stability in net and they choose to prioritize that then so be it, otherwise they roll with their younger goalies.

We are only talking in hypotheticals. By the sounds of it, OS is not looking to move George ever, let alone this year.

You're the first person, I've read, to float the idea of never trading Carter.

 

[IceDogs452]

How many teams are truly going for it this year?
West: London & maybe Erie?
East: Barrie Oshawa Kingston Brampton & maybe Brantford?

 

[OMG67]

You're the first person, I've read, to float the idea of never trading Carter.

I was chatting about London maybe looking at George this year so they can remove the OA goalie, use the OA slot on a skater. The comments back from an OS poster suggested that George is a fan favourite and he won’t be going anywhere and he’d be shocked if he graduates in any other Beatles than an Attack jersey.

If OS intended to trade him next year, that could be more difficult of the leagues change their OA rules. There was scuttlebutt this offseason about allowing 1 OA goalie per team and it not counting toward the 3 OAs. If that were to happen, and I am not paying for certainty that it would, then the demand for George next year would be dramatically lower than this year. It would significantly affect his trade market value.

 

[ScoutLife4]

I don't really see Brantford making any crazy moves but who knows.
Oshawa i believe is going to land a big name Dman and they are shopping Smith as a part of packages. -I do believe they may end up having to part with Griffin though.

I think the most intriguing question is WTF is Brampton going to do to fix this train wreck?

Sellers, Soo, Owen Sound, Guelph, North Bay, Ottawa (soft sale), Sudbury (Should but probably wont) , Saginaw (Maybe)

Buyers: Oshawa, Barrie, Brampton ,Kingston, Erie (being linked to lots of names)

I think Kitchener is content leaving their team the way it is now.

 

[Stellar29]

I was chatting about London maybe looking at George this year so they can remove the OA goalie, use the OA slot on a skater. The comments back from an OS poster suggested that George is a fan favourite and he won’t be going anywhere and he’d be shocked if he graduates in any other Beatles than an Attack jersey.

If OS intended to trade him next year, that could be more difficult of the leagues change their OA rules. There was scuttlebutt this offseason about allowing 1 OA goalie per team and it not counting toward the 3 OAs. If that were to happen, and I am not paying for certainty that it would, then the demand for George next year would be dramatically lower than this year. It would significantly affect his trade market value.

George is 18(06 born) which is why they don't need to make a move this year. The value very likely won't be any different trading next year than trading now and easier to stomach if you're Owen Sound. I would suspect it either happens in the offseason or by the trade deadline next year. They seem to have capable internal options to play goalie if they elect to move George.

 

[OMG67]

George is 18(06 born) which is why they don't need to make a move this year. The value very likely won't be any different trading next year than trading now and easier to stomach if you're Owen Sound. I would suspect it either happens in the offseason or by the trade deadline next year. They seem to have capable internal options to play goalie if they elect to move George.

The value would be tremendously different. If you look at what Brantford paid for Leenders, you have a sense of what he is worth now. As I mentioned above, if they do change that OA rule to allow OA goalies on rosters for free, that changes the goaltending landscape. That means:

Windsor - Costanzo
Erie - Erliden (Import)
Barrie - Hellebrandt
Sudbury - Krawchuk
Flint - Day
Kingston - Vaccari
Peterborough - Bowen
Guelph - Gillespie

These guys all become automatic OA’s that don’t take up an OA roster spot. Compare that to this year where teams do not have that luxury. Would Brantford have acquired Leenders if they could have acquired an OA this year and next on the cheap? Maybe, but would the cost have been as high? I don’t know.

The landscape changes yearly, especially with goalies. There is an element of risk associated to keeping George. Assuming you can get 3x(2-3)4-5 for George next year is overly presumptuous. Who are the contenders and do they have goalies already? I don’t think we can truly answer that right now.

 

[OMG67]

I don't really see Brantford making any crazy moves but who knows.
Oshawa i believe is going to land a big name Dman and they are shopping Smith as a part of packages. -I do believe they may end up having to part with Griffin though.

I think the most intriguing question is WTF is Brampton going to do to fix this train wreck?

Sellers, Soo, Owen Sound, Guelph, North Bay, Ottawa (soft sale), Sudbury (Should but probably wont) , Saginaw (Maybe)

Buyers: Oshawa, Barrie, Brampton ,Kingston, Erie (being linked to lots of names)

I think Kitchener is content leaving their team the way it is now.

If Oshawa uses Griffin, do they need to replace his current production? OR, are they upgrading on his production by using him to add another elite forward? It is not like Griffin is producing at a very high level (.6 PPG) but it is still a factor. It will be interesting to see how they navigate that.

Brampton has had a lot of injuries. Karmiris, MacDonnell and Leskovar have missed a combined 64 games. They only have five players that have played all 31 games. What that team needs more than anything else is to get healthy! IMO, their additions need to be of the leadership variety. I think Leskovar only playing 5 games has really hurt them. I liken him to Spearing in so far as the Petes were a much better team with Spearing’s leadership in the lineup. I’m not sure who the best option is for them but I think Gibson would be a good start. IT would be good for them to add a leadership piece up front as well.

 

[Stellar29]

The value would be tremendously different. If you look at what Brantford paid for Leenders, you have a sense of what he is worth now. As I mentioned above, if they do change that OA rule to allow OA goalies on rosters for free, that changes the goaltending landscape. That means:

Windsor - Costanzo
Erie - Erliden (Import)
Barrie - Hellebrandt
Sudbury - Krawchuk
Flint - Day
Kingston - Vaccari
Peterborough - Bowen
Guelph - Gillespie

These guys all become automatic OA’s that don’t take up an OA roster spot. Compare that to this year where teams do not have that luxury. Would Brantford have acquired Leenders if they could have acquired an OA this year and next on the cheap? Maybe, but would the cost have been as high? I don’t know.

The landscape changes yearly, especially with goalies. There is an element of risk associated to keeping George. Assuming you can get 3x(2-3)4-5 for George next year is overly presumptuous. Who are the contenders and do they have goalies already? I don’t think we can truly answer that right now.

It's been pretty quiet on that goalie OA rule adjustment, I wouldn't count on that impacting things next season. George will be a clear upgrade in net for most teams next year regardless. I don't think anybody would offer enough now to entertain trading George at this year's deadline vs next year's deadline or the coming offseason. Owen Sound can afford to be patient unless somebody makes a too good to be true kind of offer.

 

[ScoutLife4]

If Oshawa uses Griffin, do they need to replace his current production? OR, are they upgrading on his production by using him to add another elite forward? It is not like Griffin is producing at a very high level (.6 PPG) but it is still a factor. It will be interesting to see how they navigate that.

Brampton has had a lot of injuries. Karmiris, MacDonnell and Leskovar have missed a combined 64 games. They only have five players that have played all 31 games. What that team needs more than anything else is to get healthy! IMO, their additions need to be of the leadership variety. I think Leskovar only playing 5 games has really hurt them. I liken him to Spearing in so far as the Petes were a much better team with Spearing’s leadership in the lineup. I’m not sure who the best option is for them but I think Gibson would be a good start. IT would be good for them to add a leadership piece up front as well.

I think Griffin is probably the most sought after piece they would part with in my opinion.
With that said I know Ottawa wants an 08 with picks for Pinelli or Mews so if they are involved it would be Smith moved.
I don't think offensive production is really an issue in Oshawa.
Their back end can use a Smith or Gibson.

 

[OMG67]

It's been pretty quiet on that goalie OA rule adjustment, I wouldn't count on that impacting things next season. George will be a clear upgrade in net for most teams next year regardless. I don't think anybody would offer enough now to entertain trading George at this year's deadline vs next year's deadline or the coming offseason. Owen Sound can afford to be patient unless somebody makes a too good to be true kind of offer.

There is always risk. And if the plan is to trade him next year anyway….why bother taking the risk. We have had some of the same discussions in Ottawa with Mews. If the plan is to trade him next year, why wait?

 

[OMG67]

I think Griffin is probably the most sought after piece they would part with in my opinion.
With that said I know Ottawa wants an 08 with picks for Pinelli or Mews so if they are involved it would be Smith moved.
I don't think offensive production is really an issue in Oshawa.
Their back end can use a Smith or Gibson.

100%.

It is good for Ottawa to “want” but the reality is there are only a couple teams with ‘08’s. I can see Mews garnering the ‘08 but I am not sure about Pinelli. If Vaughn ends up in NB as rumoured, that leaves Challenger, Smith, and O’Donnell? Maybe we see the rights to Valentini and Malhotra dangled if the deals are right?

We have Pinelli, Romani, Musty, Mews, Andonovski… What does Brantford do if they cannot add anything that makes sense? Do they move Lardis? What about some of the types of deals we saw last year? Would the 2-pack of Clattenberg & Smith garner an ‘08?

A lot of options out there. I am not entirely sure Ottawa can truly draw a line in the sand with Pinelli. I think his WJHC performance will likely make a big difference as to his overall profile being strong enough to demand and get an ‘08.

 

[LDN]

What’s the card situation for each team? Does anyone have a guess? I know Brampton seemingly has used a lot of guys this year

 

[Stellar29]

There is always risk. And if the plan is to trade him next year anyway….why bother taking the risk. We have had some of the same discussions in Ottawa with Mews. If the plan is to trade him next year, why wait?

That's sports in general though. There's always risks. I think in Owen Sound's case it buys them more time to evaluate their young roster over the second half of this season to see if they can take any meaningful steps in development before needing to make any decisions on George. I would think with the half way mark now here this season, the team likely won't make enough improvements in the second half to think you could contend next year but when you have the time like the Attack do, why not use it? Sure, it could blow up in their face but he's not the only trade chip they have and the draft pick situation isn't dire. I think given that, I'd be comfortable with the apparent risks to wait.

 

[OMG67]

That's sports in general though. There's always risks. I think in Owen Sound's case it buys them more time to evaluate their young roster over the second half of this season to see if they can take any meaningful steps in development before needing to make any decisions on George. I would think with the half way mark now here this season, the team likely won't make enough improvements in the second half to think you could contend next year but when you have the time like the Attack do, why not use it? Sure, it could blow up in their face but he's not the only trade chip they have and the draft pick situation isn't dire. I think given that, I'd be comfortable with the apparent risks to wait.

Agreed. Just don’t think for a second that his value next year will not change. His value this year, based on market conditions, status of goaltending amongst contenders (and pretenders), and his age all factor into a higher return this year than next.

 

[swoopster]

I have not seen much talk about any players on Saginaw being moved, or is the consensus to play out the season with the team, at present, hovering slightly about .500?
Thoughts?

 

[ScoutLife4]

100%.

It is good for Ottawa to “want” but the reality is there are only a couple teams with ‘08’s. I can see Mews garnering the ‘08 but I am not sure about Pinelli. If Vaughn ends up in NB as rumoured, that leaves Challenger, Smith, and O’Donnell? Maybe we see the rights to Valentini and Malhotra dangled if the deals are right?

We have Pinelli, Romani, Musty, Mews, Andonovski… What does Brantford do if they cannot add anything that makes sense? Do they move Lardis? What about some of the types of deals we saw last year? Would the 2-pack of Clattenberg & Smith garner an ‘08?

A lot of options out there. I am not entirely sure Ottawa can truly draw a line in the sand with Pinelli. I think his WJHC performance will likely make a big difference as to his overall profile being strong enough to demand and get an ‘08.

Challenger would be the piece that goes if Erie lands Gibson

 

[OMG67]

Challenger would be the piece that goes if Erie lands Gibson

Challenger is the piece I would want if I were Ottawa…. Setting Vaughn aside. Preferably, if Barrie is considering Romani and OVS for Vaughn, as an Ottawa fan, I’d prefer to see Pinelli and Stonehouse in the same type of deal. Barring that, I would like to see Challenger or O’Donnell but I don’t think Brantford will be overly active getting 19 year olds. I think they will be more likely to move O’Donnell in a move for Luchanko considering he may return next year.

 

[OHLTG]

I have not seen much talk about any players on Saginaw being moved, or is the consensus to play out the season with the team, at present, hovering slightly about .500?
Thoughts?

I would imagine they'll try to get fair value for their big pieces, like Parekh, but will hold steady if it doesn't happen. They're not a bad team but are seriously lacking draft picks.

 

[GoKnightsGo44]

London could very well be out of cards…. So that would change the deadline quite a bit.

 

[OMG67]

London could very well be out of cards…. So that would change the deadline quite a bit.

Great point. 29 cards for sure. The tossup is Fimis. I assume he is signed to an AP Card but London may have given him a full card. I don’t see why they would though.

 

[Fischhaber]

I would imagine they'll try to get fair value for their big pieces, like Parekh, but will hold steady if it doesn't happen. They're not a bad team but are seriously lacking draft picks.

I think other teams would be very wary of paying top dollar for Parekh, considering the numerous issues he's had off the ice, both public and not so public.

 

[dogs777]

I don't really see Brantford making any crazy moves but who knows.
Oshawa i believe is going to land a big name Dman and they are shopping Smith as a part of packages. -I do believe they may end up having to part with Griffin though.

I think the most intriguing question is WTF is Brampton going to do to fix this train wreck?

Sellers, Soo, Owen Sound, Guelph, North Bay, Ottawa (soft sale), Sudbury (Should but probably wont) , Saginaw (Maybe)

Buyers: Oshawa, Barrie, Brampton ,Kingston, Erie (being linked to lots of names)

I think Kitchener is content leaving their team the way it is now.

What’s DDD going to do with the IceDogs