Confirmed with Link: Bunting to Nashville

[Gurglesons]

Could argue they got 3 possible potential NHL players for a rental. I would say value wise, yes at the time they could've gotten more.

Dubas trades in his Penguins tenure-

Bunting for Novak + L Schenn = WIN


Marcus Pettersson + DOC
for 2025/26 Rangers 1st +Melvin Fernstrom
+ Desharnais (Flipped for a 5th) + Heinen. = WIN

4th rd pick for Philip Tomasino = WIN

Lars Eller for a 3rd + 5th = WIN

Yager for McGroarty = WIN

Frasca for Glass + 3rd + 6th = WIN

Smith for 2nd + 5th = WIN

F/C for Kevin Hayes + 2nd = WIN

Ruhwedel for a 4th = WIN

Karlsson trade = This one is polarizing, value wise the Pens gave up 3 bad contracts for a 100 point dman at the time.. but I could see both sides to this.

Guentzel trade = same thing, can't say this is an L. The prospect the Pens got look great.

lol okay.

 

[tnnr]

lol okay.

You disagree with any of the assessments?

 

[Gurglesons]

You disagree with any of the assessments?

yes.

 

[tnnr]

yes.

Which trade(s)?

 

[pistolpete11]

Over the last three years Novak has 72 5v5 points in 174 games.

Over the last three years Bunting has 81 5v5 points in 221 games.

Bunting's 4 most common linemates at 5v5 over the last three years are Matthews, Malkin, Nylander and Marner.

Novak's 4 most common linemates at 5v5 over the last three years are Evangelista, Sherwood, Jankowski, and Trenin.

So basically the same production level.

I've been told "Wait until he plays with Crosby or Malkin!" too many times to put much stock into the linemates argument. We'll see.

Again, I'm not mad at the trade it's just...pointless. They got a late 20's 40-50 point C/W for a late 20's 40-50 point winger. Whoopie. Acting like it's a big win for the Pens is so strange to me. It does nothing for the rebuild and they aren't good enough that it makes any difference whatsoever on the ice. Maybe things will become more clear with additional moves.

He has more points in about 200 fewer minutes at 5v5.

So what's that? 5 more points or something?

So they went from terrible to terrible +8. Look out!

 

[Gurglesons]

So basically the same production level.

I've been told "Wait until he plays with Crosby or Malkin!" too many times to put much stock into the linemates argument. We'll see.

Again, I'm not mad at the trade it's just...pointless. They got a late 20's 40-50 point C/W for a late 20's 40-50 point winger. Whoopie. Acting like it's a big win for the Pens is so strange to me. It does nothing for the rebuild and they aren't good enough that it makes any difference whatsoever on the ice. Maybe things will become more clear with additional moves.

How does adding a potential asset that you can get value for do nothing for the rebuild?

Which trade(s)?

Dubas has made three good trades in PIT.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Not sure why they wouldn't keep him. They have no one that can fill the 2C role once Malkin retires or is moved to the wing. He'd likely have higher value in the future by playing a full season as a 2C rather than where he's at right now.

100%

He'll have a lot of opportunity to recoup his value here either at 2C or 1LW.

 

[pistolpete11]

How does adding a potential asset that you can get value for do nothing for the rebuild?

You're using the same logic people used when they got Bunting. Mike Sullivan is not the guy to rebuild a player's value to flip later on.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

So we're anointing a soon to be 28 yo who has averaged under 14:00/game as future 2C? Interesting.

Who's anointing? He's a guy with a history of decent production who could put up some numbers in a more offensively advantageous role than he got with the Preds.

Whether that means a resurgence here or someone to pump and dump for futures later, its better than Bunts.

You're using the same logic people used when they got Bunting. Mike Sullivan is not the guy to rebuild a player's value to flip later on.

Sure worked for Rakell.

Last offseason people here were wondering how much we'd have to add just for another team to take him.

 

[Gurglesons]

You're using the same logic people used when they got Bunting. Mike Sullivan is not the guy to rebuild a player's value to flip later on.

Novak is a Sully wet dream.

 

[Your Boy Troy]

Dis mfer from Toronto shows up to answer this lol

TOR fans reading the Pens boars are f***ing losers.

I'm from the GTA, but I'm not a Leafs fan. I became a Penguins fan during the 'X generation'. I loved their newer gold uniforms at that time, and Mario Lemieux was my favourite player along with Alexei Morozov.

 

[Icarium]

Again, I'm not mad at the trade it's just...pointless. They got a late 20's 40-50 point C/W for a late 20's 40-50 point winger.

Bunting is useless when he isn't on one of his scoring streaks, he had so many game where he kept losing the puck more easily than Tanner Glass. I hope Novak can offer at least something apart from scoring but let's see.

 

[molon labe]

Wasn't a fan of Bunting here, at all really. Initially, sure - then he (sure - maybe he got Sullied) - just stopped stirring any pots and he couldn't crack the top 6 on this abysmal roster. Nor could he outperform any oppo bottom 6 players.

Finding any value here is worth it. Trade them all. Plus - fire Sullivan the moment we're officially out of the playoffs and don't second guess it. Let them team 'feel' in limbo as we head to Summer so you can officially 'shape' it over the Summer. Versus this slow piece mailed death sentence.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Could argue they got 3 possible potential NHL players for a rental. I would say value wise, yes at the time they could've gotten more.

Dubas trades in his Penguins tenure-

Bunting for Novak + L Schenn = WIN


Marcus Pettersson + DOC
for 2025/26 Rangers 1st +Melvin Fernstrom
+ Desharnais (Flipped for a 5th) + Heinen. = WIN

4th rd pick for Philip Tomasino = WIN

Lars Eller for a 3rd + 5th = WIN

Yager for McGroarty = WIN

Frasca for Glass + 3rd + 6th = WIN

Smith for 2nd + 5th = WIN

F/C for Kevin Hayes + 2nd = WIN

Ruhwedel for a 4th = WIN

Karlsson trade = This one is polarizing, value wise the Pens gave up 3 bad contracts for a 100 point dman at the time.. but I could see both sides to this.

Guentzel trade = same thing, can't say this is an L. The prospect the Pens got look great.

Agreed only trade not a win was the Karlsson one but that's because we floundered.

If we trade him in the office season and get a 1st + back we get a W

 

[Mr. T]

I'm from the GTA, but I'm not a Leafs fan. I became a Penguins fan during the 'X generation'. I loved their newer gold uniforms at that time, and Mario Lemieux was my favourite player along with Alexei Morozov.

 

[Ulf5]

Who's anointing? He's a guy with a history of decent production who could put up some numbers in a more offensively advantageous role than he got with the Preds.

Whether that means a resurgence here or someone to pump and dump for futures later, its better than Bunts.

Emp is anointing.
Yes he has decent production. He might improve on that with more ice time. But he's also going to face tougher defensive opposition both Fs and Ds if he's 2C.
He definitely should be better than Bunting was.

 

[Guins71]

Could argue they got 3 possible potential NHL players for a rental. I would say value wise, yes at the time they could've gotten more.

Dubas trades in his Penguins tenure-

Bunting for Novak + L Schenn = WIN


Marcus Pettersson + DOC
for 2025/26 Rangers 1st +Melvin Fernstrom
+ Desharnais (Flipped for a 5th) + Heinen. = WIN

4th rd pick for Philip Tomasino = WIN

Lars Eller for a 3rd + 5th = WIN

Yager for McGroarty = WIN

Frasca for Glass + 3rd + 6th = WIN

Smith for 2nd + 5th = WIN

F/C for Kevin Hayes + 2nd = WIN

Ruhwedel for a 4th = WIN

Karlsson trade = This one is polarizing, value wise the Pens gave up 3 bad contracts for a 100 point dman at the time.. but I could see both sides to this.

Guentzel trade = same thing, can't say this is an L. The prospect the Pens got look great.

I’ll bite. I think Dubas has been terribly overrated by the media and many on here

Most of the trades mentioned above are nothing burgers but I’ll look at the bigger ones


Bunting for Novak + L Schenn = WIN
- you call this a win but it’s way too soon to tell. I think Bunting could have fetched more or a younger asset or pick

Karlson - awful and I said it at the time. Yes we freed up contracts but we also took one on longer in length and worse. Plus, we got older instead of younger

Guentzel - look at what the market is getting now. The prospects we got were not great and wow Koivonen is producing the jury is out. Feel like we should have received more for Jake especially with Carolina having a loaded farm at the time

How is Mcgroarty a win? What has he done? Underwhelming so far

Graves and Jarry contracts are awful.

Some of the other signings like Nieto are head scratchers

 

[tnnr]

I’ll bite. I think Dubas has been terribly overrated by the media and many on here

Most of the trades mentioned above are nothing burgers but I’ll look at the bigger ones


Bunting for Novak + L Schenn = WIN
- you call this a win but it’s way too soon to tell. I think Bunting could have fetched more or a younger asset or pick

Karlson - awful and I said it at the time. Yes we freed up contracts but we also took one on longer in length and worse. Plus, we got older instead of younger

Guentzel - look at what the market is getting now. The prospects we got were not great and wow Koivonen is producing the jury is out

How is Mcgroarty a win? What has he done? Underwhelming so far

Graves and Jarry contracts are awful.

Possibly, I'm going on value right now. Bunting for Novak and Schenn, if you have to pick a winner from the 2 its PIT.

I think Dubas is really good with trading but not good in FA..

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yes, there have been zero examples of players putting their skills together and developing into a good middle-6 player at age 28.

Rascal Duprix, we meet again.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Ok then???

 

[Bishop7979]

You disagree with any of the assessments?

I feel like Yagr will have a better career than mcgroaty and this will go down as a loss

 

[Bishop7979]

No matter what Novak could potentially be we aren't going to see it because

Sullivan is going to see a player who some would describe as a skilled center who has had some success on left wing and appears to have some chemistry with Tomasino and just put him at third line right wing with like Hayes and bemstrom or something.