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Bunting got 5 and a game for elbow to the head of Cernak (suspended 3 games)

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General Fanager said:
Yes it is worse.

1. Okposo had the puck therefore he had a reasonable expectation that he would be hit. He got hit in the head and that's bad no doubt but not as bad as Cernak who did not have the puck and therefore had no reason at all to expect to be hit at all let alone a dirty elbow.

2. I have no proof but we both know that this Bunting elbow was likely in retaliation to Cernak knocking him down a few minutes earlier.

3. Once again you claim its my bias but I seem to see tons of other posters with the same thoughts as I do so I guess its all of us who are biased and you are the nonbiased one?

4. The truth is that its a Leaf so you are conditioned to defend him no matter what. Its your bias to blame others and defend a Leaf no matter what hes done. I bet you were over the top defending Matthews when he got rightfully suspended too.....
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1. Having the puck or not having the puck doesn’t make a difference when taking a hit to the head. No one should ever hit anyone else in the head. Simple.

2. Who cares?

3. Other posters are also biased against all things Leafs. The leafs are the most dunked on team in these boards by far.

4. Wrong. I think the cernak head hit wasn’t intentional and I think the bunting one was unintentional. I’m not defending him, I’m saying it’s the same hit as cernak laid and replied to a poster who said “seriously asking, how does anyone cheer for bunting”

Also, didn’t you say you were done? I thought you were done
 
Arthur Morgan said:
should have been 1-2 games. Im surprised by the 3rd game. not sure why it was added.
not saying that the NHL has it out for us but this isnt the first time they have given a harsh punishment. I think Spezza got 6 games for his first offense
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Yeah dumb call, but honestly f*** Bunting. What does he even provide ? He leeches off Marner/Matthews, he's a glorified 3rd line pest. Imagine Brad Marchand with the skill set of Pierre Engvall, that is Bunting.

IDC if he's out, let him sit out the entire series, we are probably a better team without him being a distraction and taking stupid penalties at critical moments.

I am however pretty pissed off at the double standard. DoPS tweeted immediately that there would be a hearing, 3 game suspension. Nothing for Nosek.
 
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I find this ruling confusing. The DPS video report focuses on the contact to the head, but it didn’t appear to me that Bunting ever looked at Cernak to locate and hit his head. My interpretation was that Bunting anticipated body contact with Cernak as they were going toward the puck in the corner that didn’t come.

DPS also claimed interference occurred, which feels like noting that someone charged with vehicular homicide had a tail light out. Not really part of their job, and not practically related to the determination to issue a suspension. Even though they cited it, DPS certainly didn’t consider the absence of a past history for Bunting.

It feels like an arbitrarily long and capricious decision. I guess I could understand one game, maybe, if only for negligence, but this ruling seems like one reserved for extreme recklessness.
 
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Ezekial said:
Hitting a player with an elbow to the head who has no expectation of getting hit is about as egregious as you can get short of jumping into the stands trying the beat a fan with a shoe or kicking someone with a skate.
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There are always degrees to these infractions. Bunting's was bad - he got 3 games for it. IMO both Wilson and Scheifele's were worse in every way. Your opinion on Wilson's and Scheifele's behaviour s unknown - were they not "as egregious as it gets" too? Or are you OK with those? Did they even deserve suspensions?
 
I haven't been following up that well on Bunting but seeing this and having had to see absolute psychopaths like Wilson and Cooke play, I sort of wonder how they were ever allowed to step on the ice again for what they collectively did, in comparison to this punishment.
 
Pet Charles said:
I find this ruling confusing. The DPS video report focuses on the contact to the head, but it didn’t appear to me that Bunting ever looked at Cernak to locate and hit his head. My interpretation was that Bunting anticipated body contact with Cernak as they were going toward the puck in the corner that didn’t come.

DPS also claimed interference occurred, which feels like noting that someone charged with vehicular homicide had a tail light out. Not really part of their job, and not practically related to the determination to issue a suspension. Even though they cited it, DPS certainly didn’t consider the absence of a past history for Bunting.

It feels like an arbitrarily long and capricious decision. I guess I could understand one game, maybe, if only for negligence, but this ruling seems like one reserved for extreme recklessness.
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Lol
Interference doesn’t matter, it sure does, when a player without the puck is not expecting to be hit.

He had 3 errors
Elbow to the head
Interference on unsuspecting player
Injury
 
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Enga Olly said:
There are always degrees to these infractions. Bunting's was bad - he got 3 games for it. IMO both Wilson and Scheifele's were worse in every way. Your opinion on Wilson's and Scheifele's behaviour s unknown - were they not "as egregious as it gets" too? Or are you OK with those? Did they even deserve suspensions?
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Wilson's definitely wasn't worse, Aston-Reese actively had the puck and had put himself in a lowered position.
The Evans hit is optically worse with his momentum taking him to the front of the net to score the wrap while MS came in as hot as you possibly can and hit him with as blatant of a charge as Buntings was blatant interference. But, Evans had the puck and should understand that - especially in the playoffs - someone is going to want to stop him from scoring on the empty net. And he got more games than Bunting.

The reason the Bunting hit is so bad is solely because there is no way Cernak can anticipate he will be hit in that position - it was not even close to being allowed - add into the fact that he jumped into his head with the elbow, it's a combination of the 4 worst things that can go into a hit - unsuspecting, jump, to the head, elbow.
 
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Strangle said:
1. Having the puck or not having the puck doesn’t make a difference when taking a hit to the head. No one should ever hit anyone else in the head. Simple.

2. Who cares?

3. Other posters are also biased against all things Leafs. The leafs are the most dunked on team in these boards by far.

4. Wrong. I think the cernak head hit wasn’t intentional and I think the bunting one was unintentional. I’m not defending him, I’m saying it’s the same hit as cernak laid and replied to a poster who said “seriously asking, how does anyone cheer for bunting”

Also, didn’t you say you were done? I thought you were done
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So are you saying
1. The Cernak-Okposo and Bunting-Cernak hits to the head are roughly equal without taking the rest of the context into account and therefore should/could be disciplined differently.
2. The Cernak-Okposo and Bunting-Cernak hits to the head are roughly equal and the rest of the context doesn't matter, they should be the same discipline.

As shitty as DoPS is, IMO their explanation video was pretty bang on when it said Cernak was not eligible to be hit and this needs to be taken into consideration.
 
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Ezekial said:
Wilson's definitely wasn't worse, Aston-Reese actively had the puck and had put himself in a lowered position.
The Evans hit is optically worse with his momentum taking him to the front of the net to score the wrap while MS came in as hot as you possibly can and hit him with as blatant of a charge as Buntings was blatant interference. But, Evans had the puck and should understand that - especially in the playoffs - someone is going to want to stop him from scoring on the empty net. And he got more games than Bunting.

The reason the Bunting hit is so bad is solely because there is no way Cernak can anticipate he will be hit in that position - it was not even close to being allowed - add into the fact that he jumped into his head with the elbow, it's a combination of the 4 worst things that can go into a hit - unsuspecting, jump, to the head, elbow.
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I disagree but OK - I get it, Bunting is a Leaf, so definitely the absolute worst hit.

You must have been losing your mind when the league gave Hartman only 1 game as Ehlers didn't have the puck - try and imagine Hartman was on the Leafs and then think of what sort of suspension that should have been.

Listen dude you're just another Leaf hater - enjoy the Leafs being down 1-0 and Bunting suspended but stop with the fantasies that Wilson and Schiefele didn't commit bigger offences.
 
Enga Olly said:
I disagree but OK - I get it, Bunting is a Leaf, so definitely the absolute worst hit.

You must have been losing your mind when the league gave Hartman only 1 game as Ehlers didn't have the puck - try and imagine Hartman was on the Leafs and then think of what sort of suspension that should have been.

Listen dude you're just another Leaf hater - enjoy the Leafs being down 1-0 and Bunting suspended but stop with the fantasies that Wilson and Schiefele didn't commit bigger offences.
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I've already said this somewhere, but I thought Bunting and Hartman in equal situations (game 1 of the playoffs) both probably should get 2 games (factoring in sitting for the misconduct)

Hartman's hit is scummy as all get out, but hockey allows a player to defend himself with a reverse hit if he is engaged with the puck or still within the time to be hit himself, there's a world where Ehlers could finish a check on him (he wasn't going in that route) so Hartman is within his rights to defend himself in that situation after just passing the puck. BUT - he wasn't defending himself, he was taking advantage of a vulnerable player and deserved more than that 1 shit game suspension.

I was on McCabe's side too. I may think some Leafs fans are desperate and annoying but I have a pretty solid track record of how I interpret the rule book on these hits.
 
Strangle said:
1. Having the puck or not having the puck doesn’t make a difference when taking a hit to the head. No one should ever hit anyone else in the head. Simple.

2. Who cares?

3. Other posters are also biased against all things Leafs. The leafs are the most dunked on team in these boards by far.

4. Wrong. I think the cernak head hit wasn’t intentional and I think the bunting one was unintentional. I’m not defending him, I’m saying it’s the same hit as cernak laid and replied to a poster who said “seriously asking, how does anyone cheer for bunting”

Also, didn’t you say you were done? I thought you were done
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Exactly and in the other cases most of them had a guy flipping charging with a ton of skating momentum which makes the hit considerably more dangerous why the hell are people focused on interference and not on how dangerous the hit actually is the point it is player safety.
 
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Non-leafs fan here, so not biased.

The way playoff suspensions are supposed to work, are 4 regular season games typically equate to 1 playoff game. Was this worthy of a 12 game suspension?

It's his first suspendable offense, however it's certainly a disgusting play on his behalf. Given league precedent, I would say it's a 5-6 game suspension in the regular season, which makes it a one game suspension, maybe two. I do like that the league is clamping down on this type of play, but they can't just make an example out of the one guy refs don't like. This needs to be done for every player going forwards, or leaf fans yelling "BIASY" may have a point.

I want Leafs to lose fair and square, not because of officiating.
 
Strangle said:
1. Having the puck or not having the puck doesn’t make a difference when taking a hit to the head. No one should ever hit anyone else in the head. Simple.

2. Who cares?

3. Other posters are also biased against all things Leafs. The leafs are the most dunked on team in these boards by far.

4. Wrong. I think the cernak head hit wasn’t intentional and I think the bunting one was unintentional. I’m not defending him, I’m saying it’s the same hit as cernak laid and replied to a poster who said “seriously asking, how does anyone cheer for bunting”

Also, didn’t you say you were done? I thought you were done
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I had to work...but now im done and bored so I though I would check in with my fav Leaf homer fan.....
 
LuLover96 said:
Non-leafs fan here, so not biased.

The way playoff suspensions are supposed to work, are 4 regular season games typically equate to 1 playoff game. Was this worthy of a 12 game suspension?

It's his first suspendable offense, however it's certainly a disgusting play on his behalf. Given league precedent, I would say it's a 5-6 game suspension in the regular season, which makes it a one game suspension, maybe two. I do like that the league is clamping down on this type of play, but they can't just make an example out of the one guy refs don't like. This needs to be done for every player going forwards, or leaf fans yelling "BIASY" may have a point.

I want Leafs to lose fair and square, not because of officiating.
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This is the biggest suspension of the entire year

General Fanager said:
I had to work...but now im done and bored so I though I would check in with my fav Leaf homer fan.....
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There’s nothing wrong with being a homer fan. I absolutely love the Leafs and I have for my entire life.

But the hit bunting laid Tuesday night wasn’t the worst play of the entire year. It was punished as if it was though. And posters around here acting like nothing like this has ever happened before, when Cernak just did the exact same thing a few weeks ago to another player
 
Strangle said:
This is the biggest suspension of the entire year



There’s nothing wrong with being a homer fan. I absolutely love the Leafs and I have for my entire life.

But the hit bunting laid Tuesday night wasn’t the worst play of the entire year. It was punished as if it was though. And posters around here acting like nothing like this has ever happened before, when Cernak just did the exact same thing a few weeks ago to another player
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Nothing wrong with being a homer, we all are to a certain extent. Also we have been over this and the 2 hits are very different. Not all hits to the head are the same. not even close.....
 
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