Proposal: Buffalo Sabres - Anaheim Ducks
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WhatTheDuck
9 - 20 - 8
Probably too unrealistic to bother with, but I turn that down easily as a Ducks fan because I prefer Lindholm to Risto and Rakell to Girgs. Nothing against either Sabres player, like them both especially Ristolainen, but no thanks.
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Lindholm>Risto
Rakell>Girgs
IMO
Easy no for Ducks I'd imagine
Plus I'm assuming Risto is asking big money like Lindholm is, so it's not like there would be much cap relief
Rakell>Girgs
IMO
Easy no for Ducks I'd imagine
Plus I'm assuming Risto is asking big money like Lindholm is, so it's not like there would be much cap relief
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ya, I like it from Buffalo's side for sure, they'd win the deal. But, either way, that is a whole lot of talent in that deal. I know Gerg's value is down, but he's still an interesting talent. Never gonna happen.
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Wow that is interesting. I thought Anaheim was getting the better players.
If you look at Hockey Future's Ratings:
Zemgus Girgensons has a higher probability of success rating than Rickard Rakell, although Rickard Rakell has a higher talent score than Zemgus Girgensons.
Zemgus Girgensons
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/zemgus_girgensons/
Talent Score 7.0
Probability of Success B
Rickard Rakell
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/rikard_rakell/
Talent Score 7.5
Probability of Success C
Rasmus Ristolainen has a higher talent score than Hampus Lindholm with the same probability of success.
Rasmus Ristolainen
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/rasmus-ristolainen/
Talent Score 8.0
Probability of Success B
Hampus Lindholm
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/hampus_lindholm/
Talent Score 7.5
Probability of Success B
Also, Rasmus Ristolainen played tons of minutes.
From a personnel view I thought this trade was better for Anaheim as well since Anaheim would be trading a right handed shot forward (Rickard Rakell) for a left handed shot forward (Zemgus Girgensons) and Anaheim has many right handed shot forwards (Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Ryan Kesler, and Jakob Silfverberg). I think this is why Anaheim signed Mason Raymond and there are rumors about Rick Nash. Also, Anaheim would be trading a left handed shot defenseman (Hampus Lindholm) for a right handed shot defenseman (Rasmus Ristolainen) and Anaheim has many left handed shot defenseman (Sami Vatanen, Cam Fowler, Simon Despres, Hampus Lindholm, Clayton Stoner). The defensive pairing of the Finns Sami Vatanen and Rasmus Ristolainen would be cool.
From a personnel view for the Buffalo Sabres, it would have made a lot of sense for the Buffalo Sabres when they needed a left handed shot defenseman and a right handed shot forward, but with the trade of a right handed shot defenseman (Mark Pysyk) for a left handed shot defenseman (Dmitry Kulikov) and the signing a right handed shot forward (Kyle Okposo) it doesn't make as much sense. Although maybe the Swedes Rickard Rakell and Hampus Lindholm would be good for the Swedes Johan Larsson and Robin Lehner.
It is interesting to see the comments on this thread because I thought this trade really weighed in favor of the Anaheim Ducks.
If you look at Hockey Future's Ratings:
Zemgus Girgensons has a higher probability of success rating than Rickard Rakell, although Rickard Rakell has a higher talent score than Zemgus Girgensons.
Zemgus Girgensons
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/zemgus_girgensons/
Talent Score 7.0
Probability of Success B
Rickard Rakell
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/rikard_rakell/
Talent Score 7.5
Probability of Success C
Rasmus Ristolainen has a higher talent score than Hampus Lindholm with the same probability of success.
Rasmus Ristolainen
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/rasmus-ristolainen/
Talent Score 8.0
Probability of Success B
Hampus Lindholm
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/hampus_lindholm/
Talent Score 7.5
Probability of Success B
Also, Rasmus Ristolainen played tons of minutes.
From a personnel view I thought this trade was better for Anaheim as well since Anaheim would be trading a right handed shot forward (Rickard Rakell) for a left handed shot forward (Zemgus Girgensons) and Anaheim has many right handed shot forwards (Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry, Ryan Kesler, and Jakob Silfverberg). I think this is why Anaheim signed Mason Raymond and there are rumors about Rick Nash. Also, Anaheim would be trading a left handed shot defenseman (Hampus Lindholm) for a right handed shot defenseman (Rasmus Ristolainen) and Anaheim has many left handed shot defenseman (Sami Vatanen, Cam Fowler, Simon Despres, Hampus Lindholm, Clayton Stoner). The defensive pairing of the Finns Sami Vatanen and Rasmus Ristolainen would be cool.
From a personnel view for the Buffalo Sabres, it would have made a lot of sense for the Buffalo Sabres when they needed a left handed shot defenseman and a right handed shot forward, but with the trade of a right handed shot defenseman (Mark Pysyk) for a left handed shot defenseman (Dmitry Kulikov) and the signing a right handed shot forward (Kyle Okposo) it doesn't make as much sense. Although maybe the Swedes Rickard Rakell and Hampus Lindholm would be good for the Swedes Johan Larsson and Robin Lehner.
It is interesting to see the comments on this thread because I thought this trade really weighed in favor of the Anaheim Ducks.
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Rickard Rakell had 43 points in 72 games this past season (more then Zemgus Girgensons ever had in a season) while Zemgus Girgensons had 18 points in 71 games this past season. We can't afford to be downgrading our forward group like this.
Hampus Lindholm and Rasmus Ristolainen are both good young defenseman. Hampus Lindholm is better defensively while Rasmus Ristolainen is better offensively. Ducks need to keep Hampus Lindholm who is so good defensively already at a young age.
You thought wrong. The handedness of a defenseman's stick is not important at all. Nor is HF ratings. The Ducks won the Jennings, and have no incentive here to downgrade.
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OP, if you're using HF's ratings to determine who's better than who when discussing players who were in the league last year, or who have been for multiple years like Lindholm...don't click "submit." Lindholm is a bonafide high end NHL defensman and very close to being a #1...he's had three full seasons in the league...and you're using a prospect rating system to evaluate him. That is utterly cringe-worthy.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Doubt either team does it, Buffalo will want to hold onto Ristolainen and Anaheim will want to hold onto Lindholm. Just don't see either team doing this.
Vipers31
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Which would be a less-than-intelligent thing to do for this matter, given we have a substantial part of the exact future right there in front of us that HF attempted to project in a process that is known to not be too dependable. If that projection differs from reality, it's not reality that's broken, it's a scouting projection shockingly having missed by a bit.
And Rakell has already done more to pay back on that probability, so even if that report still meant something, by including the term probability, it did account for the possibility that Rakell lives up to his (higher) potential, which he indeed so far has.
WhatTheDuck
9 - 20 - 8
Haha those ratings mean jack squat when we're talking about players who have multiple NHL seasons under their belt. Hell those ratings barely mean anything to begin with.
Also Vatanen is a righty, just so much wrong with your post.
Vipers31
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Are you sure? Don't you think we should jump at the opportunity to cash in on a measly 6.0B Josh Manson for some potential 7.0C stud?
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