Value of: Buffalo prospects (and players?)

[Man of Principles]

IMO, Adams really needs to decide which 3 forward prospects he truly values from the following group:

Benson, Kulich, Ostlund, Rosèn, Savoie, Wahlberg

Of that group, I’m keeping Benson, Kulich, and Ostlund.

Savoie and Rosèn are easy trade candidates for me. Savoie has had some injury issues since being drafted and Rosèn seems to offer the lowest ceiling of the players projected to be wingers. That’s not to say they don’t have value…they should have a decent amount.

Wahlberg is tough and it’s because I know the least about him, but he is a contributing member of the second highest league in Sweden in his draft year. That 6’3” frame is also tantalizing. He’s also the least talked about forward prospect, but I’d include him among my available prospects simply because we know they can’t all be Sabres and Ostlund should be valued higher.

 

[MOGlLNY]

IMO, Adams really needs to decide which 3 forward prospects he truly values from the following group:

Benson, Kulich, Ostlund, Rosèn, Savoie, Wahlberg

Of that group, I’m keeping Benson, Kulich, and Ostlund.

Savoie and Rosèn are easy trade candidates for me. Savoie has had some injury issues since being drafted and Rosèn seems to offer the lowest ceiling of the players projected to be wingers. That’s not to say they don’t have value…they should have a decent amount.

Wahlberg is tough and it’s because I know the least about him, but he is a contributing member of the second highest league in Sweden in his draft year. That 6’3” frame is also tantalizing. He’s also the least talked about forward prospect, but I’d include him among my available prospects simply because we know they can’t all be Sabres and Ostlund should be valued higher.

I’m pretty much aligned with you in terms of who I view in who should be moved and who shouldn’t. But for an excellent no doubter piece I would be willing to move Kulich or Ostlund as well.

Benson is a no no

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

IMO, Adams really needs to decide which 3 forward prospects he truly values from the following group:

Benson, Kulich, Ostlund, Rosèn, Savoie, Wahlberg

Of that group, I’m keeping Benson, Kulich, and Ostlund.

Savoie and Rosèn are easy trade candidates for me. Savoie has had some injury issues since being drafted and Rosèn seems to offer the lowest ceiling of the players projected to be wingers. That’s not to say they don’t have value…they should have a decent amount.

Wahlberg is tough and it’s because I know the least about him, but he is a contributing member of the second highest league in Sweden in his draft year. That 6’3” frame is also tantalizing. He’s also the least talked about forward prospect, but I’d include him among my available prospects simply because we know they can’t all be Sabres and Ostlund should be valued higher.

It really doesn't matter because it's Buffalo. Who ever they keep will turn into a second/third line guy and whoever they trade will end up being a star for another team. It seems that's the way it goes in Buffalo.

 

[Zman5778]

Contrary to what some Sabres fans are saying, these players are 100% unavailable:

Dahlin, Thompson, Cozens, Tuch, Peterka, Quinn, Benson, Power

I agree with this list except for Peterka. I can absolutely imagine a scenario where Buffalo/Adams trades Peterka, especially given the makeup of guys like Benson and Savoie and Wahlberg. Peterka can absolutely be a legit top-line scoring winger........but he's only slightly less allergic to the defensive zone than Skinner and his willingness to get involved along the boards and in front of the net has decreased over the last 2 years. Benson/Savoie/Wahlberg all show a willingness to play D and get gritty/dirty along the boards and that's what we need more of.

THAT SAID, he's not going to be traded for a rental or an over-the-hill guy with a bloated cap hit. For a younger, defense-first RHD going to a team in need of a young scoring forward who's established in the NHL.....sure.

IMO, Adams really needs to decide which 3 forward prospects he truly values from the following group:

Benson, Kulich, Ostlund, Rosèn, Savoie, Wahlberg

Of that group, I’m keeping Benson, Kulich, and Ostlund.

Savoie and Rosèn are easy trade candidates for me. Savoie has had some injury issues since being drafted and Rosèn seems to offer the lowest ceiling of the players projected to be wingers. That’s not to say they don’t have value…they should have a decent amount.

Wahlberg is tough and it’s because I know the least about him, but he is a contributing member of the second highest league in Sweden in his draft year. That 6’3” frame is also tantalizing. He’s also the least talked about forward prospect, but I’d include him among my available prospects simply because we know they can’t all be Sabres and Ostlund should be valued higher.

Benson is absolutely a no-go. Ostlund is likely a no-go as he's the ONLY Sabres prospect who profiles as a likely NHL center. Wahlberg profiles as a guy that the Sabres don't have ANY of in their prospect pool, so I can't imagine that he's available outside of a more established version of Wahlberg.

Savoie is an interesting case. He's a likely winger in the NHL, but he also brings something that a lot of Sabres prospects don't bring -- a willingness to play a 200 foot game and a willingness to go get the puck under any circumstance.

If the conversation is "redundant" Sabres players and prospects.....to me it comes down to: Peterka, Kulich, Rosen. They're all cut from the same cloth: excellent shot, good speed and good/great in the offensive zone and adds value to the PP. BUT, none of them are particularly good in their own zone (Rosen tries the hardest of the 3). I think there's room long-term in the organization for one of these guys, MAYBE two.

 

[5 Minute Major]

There are no untouchables. Period.

We need to become a better team and if an offer is there to become a better team the Sabres had better not over value their prospects.

 

[Robtom18]

There are no untouchables. Period.

We need to become a better team and if an offer is there to become a better team the Sabres had better not over value their prospects.

Well not sure if you read above buffalos prospects a re better than everyone elses..

 

[TageGod]

I agree with this list except for Peterka.

Should not be subtracting established talent.

 

[Zman5778]

Should not be subtracting established talent.

He'd only be traded FOR established talent

 

[TageGod]

He'd only be traded FOR established talent

I guess I am just too high on Peterka being a top end offensive talent to replace Skinner long term. Putting Brady on a line with Thompson and Tuch would be insane though. I am also higher on this team than most, there is a lot that went wrong this season, and they are still statistically better than their record. If I can get a top end player, I'd prefer extra picks/prospects instead of Peterka.

 

[dumbdick]

Greig for peterka?

We're overloaded on center and light on RW. Someone adds?

 

[Zman5778]

Greig for peterka?

We're overloaded on center and light on RW. Someone adds?

Tell me about Grieg, I'm unfamiliar with his game. From a purely statistical perspective, his stellar 40% FO win percentage worries me. Is he really a center? Physical? 200 foot game?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Very much so. However, their staff is on record as not directing them to finish their hits so it goes beyond just having that sort of guy to draw them into the fight. They need a change behind the bench too.

What’s your take on Greenway? Big body, obviously, but I feel like whatever spark he had regressed to Buffalo levels. Maybe I’m wrong, I like the player, but obviously he isn’t that heart and soul guy described above.

 

[dumbdick]

Tell me about Grieg, I'm unfamiliar with his game. From a purely statistical perspective, his stellar 40% FO win percentage worries me. Is he really a center? Physical? 200 foot game?

Highly physical pest with good hands and lots of jam. He can play center or LW.

Late first round pick that in a redraft I think is knocking on the door of a top 10 pick. I don't know how that compares to Peterka to be honest.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

It really doesn't matter because it's Buffalo. Who ever they keep will turn into a second/third line guy and whoever they trade will end up being a star for another team. It seems that's the way it goes in Buffalo.

You hush up now, Stafford is gonna pan out one of these days.

 

[MeenOlViks]

You hush up now, Stafford is gonna pan out one of these days.

Didnt he put up 30 goals last year?

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Buffalo needs to trade 5 of the below pieces

Kulich
Rosen
Benson
Savoie
Ostlund
Quinn
Mittlestadt
2024 1st
2025 1st
2026 1st

They should get back 3 core pieces from 5 of those pieces depending on mix

Main Core is

Dahlin, TT, Cozens, Power

+ 3 secondary core pieces added from above

+ peterka + tuch + samulsson + whichever of the above arent dealt

Let's trade our pipeline for trash because we hired an idiot as a PP coach. If the Sabres had even an average PP that hadn't given up eight shorties, they would have another eight points in standings and we wouldn't even be talking about this. Cozens and Thompsons are having down years, some of it injuries and some of it just no points on the PP.

We can trade one or two blue chippers but a bonafide top-six forward who preferably can take a faceoff or a serious RD.

Moot point, Buffalo is not making a major deal.

 

[Chainshot]

What’s your take on Greenway? Big body, obviously, but I feel like whatever spark he had regressed to Buffalo levels. Maybe I’m wrong, I like the player, but obviously he isn’t that heart and soul guy described above.

Great PKer, responsible defensively, would love if they had two more. I do not see any regression.

 

[Chainshot]

Didnt he put up 30 goals last year?

Contract year, yeah. Then developed a career-long allergy to the front of the net against everyone but the Bruins.

 

[MeenOlViks]

Contract year, yeah. Then developed a career-long allergy to the front of the net against everyone but the Bruins.

Dang, seems like im perpetually waiting for "our guy" to pop. Maybe next year...

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Great PKer, responsible defensively, would love if they had two more. I do not see any regression.

Gotcha, I’m thinking of the hitting/fighting aspects but if coaches are discouraging that anyways.. sweet, so that’s one forward in the right direction at least.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Well not sure if you read above buffalos prospects a re better than everyone elses..

Analysts (as far as I can tell from googling) universally have Buffalo’s prospect pool ranked as a top 3 farm system in the NHL. I’m sorry if that fact hurts your feelings?

 

[hamzarocks]

Let's trade our pipeline for trash because we hired an idiot as a PP coach. If the Sabres had even an average PP that hadn't given up eight shorties, they would have another eight points in standings and we wouldn't even be talking about this. Cozens and Thompsons are having down years, some of it injuries and some of it just no points on the PP.

We can trade one or two blue chippers but a bonafide top-six forward who preferably can take a faceoff or a serious RD.

Moot point, Buffalo is not making a major deal.

When did I say ttade for trash?

The sabres have their core identified and locked up with term.

They have an over abundance of prospects/young players who either need more playing time or need new contracts that can be tough to fit in.

The assets there can bring back a wide variety of players.

The sabres front office has to assess who they want to keep L/T and who can be moved on from. They should make their moves early in the summer and be aggresive.

The sabres cant expect that they will get 2022-2023 level offense every year from Tage Thompson, Cozens, Dahlin, Tuch especially when they arent surrounded by enough established high end pieces

You want to maximize their talent, then turn some of those prospects + picks into provem top line forwards/top pairing defenseman.

You cant really wait another 2-3 years for rosen/Kulich/benson/Savoie/Ostlund to become top end players when your core is signed L/T and in their primes

 

[Weltschmerz]

Greig for peterka?

We're overloaded on center and light on RW. Someone adds?

Sens hat their shot at Peterka, still don't understand how you draft Stützle and then Peterka sits there at your second round pick and they are just like, Peterka? nah

 

[Robtom18]

Analysts (as far as I can tell from googling) universally have Buffalo’s prospect pool ranked as a top 3 farm system in the NHL. I’m sorry if that fact hurts your feelings?

Ranking your system 3 is because you have so many good prospects and honestly a blue chip as well. Quantity doesnt equal quality. But hey read into it how you will.

Doesnt mean those prospects are going to pan out. On the flip side tage thompson wasnt a vluechipper and look at him now.

 

[Panthaz89]

Well not sure if you read above buffalos prospects a re better than everyone elses..

Well they are better than most If you aren't blind........just like nearly every team that's been low in the standings continously. They have a lot of quality pieces you have no idea what you are talking about just because the management has no idea how to build an NHL team doesn't mean they haven't hit on their picks. Do you even watch the world juniors?