CaliSabresfan24
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I hope so because he is Ideal. How he plays, his age, his contract is perfect IMO
Player Discussion Buffalo Pickers - The Search For Serviceable Defensemen, Summer of '23 Edition
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Seriously … being a Kraken season-ticket holder. Borgen is OK/fairly good on some nights, but he is definitely a number 5/six defenseman on their team. He’s not fixing the problem that we have to the degree that we need it fixed. There’s a little bit of golden age thinking about his play on these boards. He’s definitely not worth a First!
Offer them Vic straight up. And Vic is definitely not worth a first.
UPL going out is either going to be a pick coming back or going out with other assets for a better goalie.
I would disagree with the 5/6 take, but due to lack of offense I won't argue the value.
Borgen has been worlds better than nearly every other team's 6 D this season. Oleksiak has been a defensive nightmare, roving, pinching and activating at the worst times all season (which is weird because he was outstanding at staying home and providing stable D all season last year). Hakstol moved Borgen up to the second line several weeks ago and he has stepped up and covered for Oleksiak perfectly, solidifying the teams one weak pair. Now the Shultz/Soucy pairing is is the weakest of the three.
Borgen is freakishly quick for his size and one of the best skaters on that Kraken team. He has broken out this year and is a legitimate #4 defensive D in this league.
He's a good passer and has a nice shot, but his stick-handling is bad, so he will never be an offensive threat and it will likely keep him from being a real two-way defender. He does read the ice well though, and makes great pinches and activates at ideal times, so he will be more than just a "black-hole on offense" defensive specialist D.
As far as value, I would gladly move the 2 2nds or Joker and Philly's 2nd for him and smile all the way to the bank
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Zman5778
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Assuming he was kicking tires on Ekholm. Which I'm not so sure he was.
Sabresfansince1980
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Totally on board with a couple 2nds or equivalent for Borgen. Matt Roy is really who I prefer, and maybe having only one more year until UFA status keeps his trade value around the same.
Not even sure what that would be from Buffalo.
I doubt Borgen commands multiple 2nds as a return.
Gabrielor
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Because of his contract, he shouldn't cost a giant asset. SJS is rebuilding. I think we can to business with a volume deal.
Karlsson's game is something I don't think this age poorly. We can absorb his hit. It'll lean either further into our identity.
Erik Karlsson + Carter Hart this summer, with a few minor forward tweaks, and let's go to the playoffs and make noise.
I normally agree with a lot of what you post. And I've been complaining about the negligence of the defence for longer thsn most - since the days of Tim Murray as GM.
But i think you're out to lunch on this one. Karlsson is the last thing we need right now.
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Done. Its actually a close offer if they need a middle six sniper. I have always liked Borgan, be is also flawed, and I love him on my bottom pair, not as a top 4 solution.
So Vic or a 2nd. Or third and a 2nd tier forward prospect like Murray, Rousek, Cederqvist, Biro, Kisakov, etc
Pretty sure Francis would have zero interest moving Borgen for a single 2nd at this point.
Soucy is as good as gone, Schultz is getting long in the tooth, and Borgen is now playing in Seattle's top 4.
Seattle is a team with very little farm depth, not much cap space, and Larsson is aging and is UFA again in 2 years. Oleksiak is UFA in 3 years. Borgen's RFA status this season and being one year from UFA eligibility, coupled with Seattle's cap issues complicates the contract negotiations this offseason, but if Francis can sign him for several years on the cheap, I have my doubts that even a pair of 2nds would pry him out of Seattle.
You have to remember that the Kraken are Seattle's ownership group's gateway to their real goal, which is an NBA franchise. Leiweke didn't really mince words in his interviews this season that the number one priority is to keep climate pledge arena sold-out and prove that Seattle is a great NBA market.
It is a 180 from the messaging during their inaugural season and Francis has changed his approach from "patience and build through the draft", to "spend the cap and ice the best team possible the next couple of seasons".
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Seattle would hang up.
Seattle has McCann, Burakovsky, Eberle, Schwartz, Bjorkstrand, Tolvanen Sprong and Tanev as their wingers. Add that Geekie is now playing wing and they may even want to bring in Wright and start him on the wing as well, they really have zero room for Olofsson.
That doesn't even take into account that he would not fit under their cap.
Borgen has broken out big time this season. If you haven't watched him play recently, catch a Kraken game. He is night and day better than what he was here in Buffalo.
LA have for a while been seen as a viable trade partner because of the quality & depth of their young defencemen.
I really don't follow much of the west these days - who might shake loose there & would they be worth trading for? A guy who has been spoken about here before is Tobias Bjornfot - upcoming RFA with not a lot of roster space available. Might somebody like him be a buy low / high upside candidate? Obviously not the proven top 4 guy - but if Adams is stubborn this might be the type of addition we have to settle for?
I really don't follow much of the west these days - who might shake loose there & would they be worth trading for? A guy who has been spoken about here before is Tobias Bjornfot - upcoming RFA with not a lot of roster space available. Might somebody like him be a buy low / high upside candidate? Obviously not the proven top 4 guy - but if Adams is stubborn this might be the type of addition we have to settle for?
CaliSabresfan24
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Of course its easy to say this now but GD I really wish we exposed Joki and protected Brogen...
Would make life so much easier on our back end
Would make life so much easier on our back end
Bjornfot is young first rounder who shoots left, which LA is critically short on.
I think the Kings move out one and possibly two of their D this offseason, but I have a feeling that they will move their RHD, since they have like 30 of them
Yeah.
Borgen was a bit of a unicorn in the organization. It should not have been too difficlut for Adams to identify the areas the team was lacking depth and approached the expansion draft with that in mind.
Even if Adams was skyhigh on Joker, I doubt it would have cost more than a 4th to protect Borgen and convince Francis to take Miller (or maybe Bjork) instead.
What's done is done, so there is no sense dwelling on it. Adams will just have to live with the black marks on his resume when his tenure is over and we all pass judgement on his eventual success or failure.
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Losing a player to expansion or Ullmark to UFA aren’t things he has to live with. Those things happen and are out of your control.
Failing to give a shit about defense and goal for four years is what he has to live with. Those things were, and continue to be, completely in his control.
If he doesn’t get his shit together this off-season…I hope he will be living with it somewhere else.
Failing to give a shit about defense and goal for four years is what he has to live with. Those things were, and continue to be, completely in his control.
If he doesn’t get his shit together this off-season…I hope he will be living with it somewhere else.
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Every GM has a black mark. Or they get one, because the only one that hasn’t yet is Briere, simply because he hasn’t had the ability to make a trade yet, plus he’s only an interim GM.
The LD comment above is certainly a thing.
Kings fans seem to think/prefer it will be Walker and Durzi put on the market and moved out from their RD stock.
Francis was open for business for picks. He was not open to taking cap for anything less than a premium.
Adams could have protected Borgen and Joker at a reasonable cost. To say it was "out of his control" is just not true.
Putting a premium value on picks over NHL ready D was absolutely a mistake of Adam's that has cost the team.
You want trades for players that aren't available Or trades for players that more often than not have Buffalo on their no trade lists. Or UFA signings that have no interest in coming to Buffalo. Those are things that would be out of his control.
Zman5778
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You say this like it's some sort of fact. Seattle made ZERO trades pre-draft.
Either he was asking WAY too much for the deals you're suggesting........or he wasn't interested.
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