Rumor: Buffalo & NYR having conversations about Trocheck today

[Gardner McKay]

ok and? Some GM was dumb enough to make that trade.

It is this thing called a comparable.

Apologies you're having a hard time understanding. Is there another way I can explain it?

 

[SnS]

they get traded for late firsts all the time tf you talking about

Cup contenders.

 

[Beerz]

May as well lock this. Every player in the Buffalo organization is untouchable anyway. You saw how much it took to get Byram. The overpay was because he was a Sabre.

Not true.

You can have Krebs

 

[noncents]

There just isn't the urgency is all.

Plenty other routes to take to improve team.

??? the premise of this thread is that we are accepting the tweets that Buffalo is currently interested in Trocheck??!

if you think the tweets are wrong, then that's that. but the tweets are there.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

He’s definitely not a top liner but he’s 1C on your team

I'd put him behind every center not named Krebs and equal to McLeod. The only thing he excels at that the other guys don't is faceoffs. If that's your measuring stick, then sure.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

??? the premise of this thread is that we are accepting the tweets that Buffalo is currently interested in Trocheck??!

if you think the tweets are wrong, then that's that. but the tweets are there.

I think he's saying there's no urgency to pay what some people in this thread think is reasonable.

 

[Grinner]

May as well lock this. Every player in the Buffalo organization is untouchable anyway. You saw how much it took to get Byram. The overpay was because he was a Sabre.

Now if only all the other GM's were Kyle Davidson

 

[Beerz]

??? the premise of this thread is that we are accepting the tweets that Buffalo is currently interested in Trocheck??!

if you think the tweets are wrong, then that's that. but the tweets are there.

Sure...because there are conversations doesn't mean Buffalo has to be all in and go for broke.

Teams don't value players all the same based on team needs and different points in the season

 

[toddkaz]

i don't think it's ridiculous to compare konsta helenius to calum ritchie at the time of his trade

Ah no, just no.

So now you are suggesting a 1st and Helenius for Trocheck

 

[noncents]

I think he's saying there's no urgency to pay what some people in this thread think is reasonable.

"plenty of other avenues to improve the team" pretty clearly = "we don't need trocheck"

we're talking about what is reasonable. I supplied the Nelson deal as a reasonable comp with the caveat that there is public evidence that GMs are trying to put their teams together earlier as deadline load-ups just haven't paid dividends.

 

[Zman5778]

I think he's saying there's no urgency to pay what some people in this thread think is reasonable.

This all day.

Look, if the Sabres are trading for Trochek....I think it's fait accompli that 20 OA WILL be part of the return. The debate is "How much is Buffalo adding to it?"

Personally, I wouldn't add much more than 20 OA. Certainly nothing of any significance. Want Krebs? Sure. Want a guy like Gavin McCarthy? Fine. But nothing of significance.

But that's me.

 

[stokes84]

Nobody wants to acknowledge McLeod because they all want to argue about high end young players that they clearly won’t get. Never change, HFboards.

 

[Cloned]

Trochek’s career arc:

- shows well defensively
- has a decent season offensively
- gets signed to too much money
- has a few average seasons
- gets traded to a team looking for a two way center
- has a decent season offensively
- gets signed to too much money

And repeat.

 

[BKarchitect]

Helenius is so far ahead of Ritche at his age 19 season that he can't see him in his rearview mirror.

Helenius alone is a ridiculous ask.

 

[VaporTrail]

Does Buffalo need more centres?
Also Minnesota wyd

No, we don't need another non-top line center....We are set there.

 

[wunderpanda]

norris for trochek?

 

[Alluckks]

Trochek’s career arc:

- shows well defensively
- has a decent season offensively
- gets signed to too much money
- has a few average seasons
- gets traded to a team looking for a two way center
- has a decent season offensively
- gets signed to too much money

And repeat.

He is objectively well underpaid and has been on this current contract

 

[toddkaz]

norris for trochek?

How does that make Buffalo better? Bit of a lateral move.

 

[Cloned]

He is objectively well underpaid and has been on this current contract

As the cap goes up his cap hits look better, which is why teams look to trade for him as his contracts are close to expiring.

But those initial years of his new contract are often overpaid.

 

[VaporTrail]

Trocheck today is a 3C who is clearly on the downside.

Ya, I can't see where he would fit on Buffalo at all...Makes no sense...I know he can win face-offs but still....

 

[DatDude44]

I feel like Ostlund(as much as I love his game) makes the most sense here. Assuming NYR wants a high end NHL ready Center, or maybe Jiri Kulich? Idk what else they'd add, they have more than enough cap to retain Norris as well tho i wouldn't be shocked if he was added in due to the durability concerns and NYR might want a guy like that to replace vinny and we know norris is a good player when actually playing lol.

I don't see a world where buffalo moves helenius in a trochek deal or 4th overall for that matter...... tho.....with how this week has gone, who knows lol.

Or maybe something with 20th overall and some B level prospects like Anton wahlberg? idk, i'm probably way off with this one haha

 

[tsujimoto74]

i don't think it's ridiculous to compare konsta helenius to calum ritchie at the time of his trade

I can assure you that you are literally the only person who thinks that. Aside from maybe Callum Ritchie’s mom.

 

[noncents]

i swear, yall are incapable of separating what you *want* to happen from what you *think is likely* to happen.

isn't there anyone here who isn't just roleplaying a GM who never loses a trade?

what is a likely comparable for the Nelson deal??

 

[stokes84]

I feel like Ostlund(as much as I love his game) makes the most sense here. Assuming NYR wants a high end NHL ready Center, or maybe Jiri Kulich? Idk what else they'd add, they have more than enough cap to retain Norris as well tho i wouldn't be shocked if he was added in due to the durability concerns and NYR might want a guy like that to replace vinny and we know norris is a good player when actually playing lol.

I don't see a world where buffalo moves helenius in a trochek deal or 4th overall for that matter...... tho.....with how this week has gone, who knows lol.

Guys, there is no world you are getting Ostlund or Kulich. Get a grip.

 

[80s Kid]

Trochek’s career arc:

- shows well defensively
- has a decent season offensively
- gets signed to too much money
- has a few average seasons
- gets traded to a team looking for a two way center
- has a decent season offensively
- gets signed to too much money

And repeat.

Trocheck's AAV is $5.625 with 3 more years of control...This has to be one of the best contracts in the NHL from a team's perspective. The guy also shows up in the playoffs.

32yo 868gp 239g 392a 631pts 54.3% FO 5.625 3yrs control

If you don't want him, that's fine, but he's still a good player who can absolutely play as a solid 2C.