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Pre-Game Talk: Buffalo at Leafs @ 7pm Sat Nov 19th.

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AvroArrow said:
Sabres have been pretty bad after their hot start, I think we win this

Prediction 5-2 Leafs, Matthews with a hat trick
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I pick 2 fights, Benn and Bunting for Leafs
AM scores 2, but line 3 and 4 stink, Sabres 4...Leafs 3

I hope not...but we don't have a team in this fight.

Does Keefe play Murray another game. Strange, last month nobody could play 2 in a row.
 
Burnie97 said:
Apparently they were already leaving on a bus to Toronto. Yup they're going to get a lot of snow.

This "should" be a win but we know how that goes... especially with Buffalo.
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Buffalo kicked our butts 3 times last season, and we only held them to less than 5 goals once in a game we won 5-4. Wouldn't be shocked if they smoked us again.
 
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Isaac Nootin said:
This isn't the horrible stat you make it out to be as not all giveaways are created equally. It typically means you possess the puck alot.

Take the Top 5 overall in the NHL for giveaways.

Pastrnak
Guhle (odd)
Kucherov
Marner
Draisaitl

Next 2 are Erik Karlsson and Auston Matthews.
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True enough. Makes sense when you have the puck alot. Still seems higher then normal. Maybe not brutal then ... to be fair.

I guess it'd be good to see a comparable from past seasons along with possession percentage.
 
CantLoseWithMatthews said:

Feels great to know that every player on the team is playing so well you can't justify taking anyone out for a game
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I don't even know wtf is keefe even saying here.

what in the blue hell have kerfoot, engvall, zar, janjrok done or have not done. what a way to destroy a young player's confidence. good stuff keefe. did robertson not "respect you in the handshake" or what?

or may be he ate the last cookie after you had worked through the entire box in 10 mins?

is that it?
 
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lol Holl can make so many mistakes, kerfoot being useless, egvall not playing the way he should (playing better now but still) then he shits on Robertson
 
Tak7 said:
Is Robertson a better player today than he was 12 months ago?
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based on the 10 game sample that we have to look at I'd say yes

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Tak7 said:
Tangible signs of progress then, in your opinion?
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what and how is robertson developing warming the seat in the pressbox while pending UFAs like kerfoot, engvall keep getting ice time. how is playing kerfoot and engvall above robertson helping the leafs now or in the future and at the same time developing robertson?

this isn't progress this is backwards.

robertson should be playing, making mistakes and learning from them for better future for himself and the Leafs. Kerfoot and Engvall are not Leafs' future heck even their present is not contributing much to the Leafs.
 
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Isaac Nootin said:
This isn't the horrible stat you make it out to be as not all giveaways are created equally. It typically means you possess the puck alot.

Take the Top 5 overall in the NHL for giveaways.

Pastrnak
Guhle (odd)
Kucherov
Marner
Draisaitl

Next 2 are Erik Karlsson and Auston Matthews.
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The number of giveaways this team has every game is unjustifiable. I knew we had alot, but the most in the league where there are so many crappy teams? Whole new level of disappointment. However, we must be doing something right to have as many points as we do. We gotta clean that up. Not surprised Marner is top 5, it's one of the reasons so many fans are upset with him. Wonder where Holl and Sandin rank.

BayStBullies said:
What exactly is Engvall doing?


Keefe refuses to have this team repair their obvious flaws. So many repeated basic mistakes.
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He'll eventually repair them, he always does, albeit too late sometimes.
 
PromisedLand said:
this isn't progress this is backwards.
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On one hand, you're saying he has improved since last year.
On the other, you're saying it's not progress and he's gone backwards.
Which one is it?
He's not one of this team's best 12 forwards currently, despite his game improving the past 12 months. He still has a ways to go. The coach isn't "destroying a young player".
 
Sabres with anderson in the net....I don't know what it is...but they show up against us.

Every time it seems as if they are on a march to death whenever they go against us....:laugh: :cry:
 
Tak7 said:
On one hand, you're saying he has improved since last year.
On the other, you're saying it's not progress and he's gone backwards.
Which one is it?
He's not one of this team's best 12 forwards currently, despite his game improving the past 12 months. He still has a ways to go. The coach isn't "destroying a young player".
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should have been more clear. Robertson is an improved player from last year.

Playing kerfoot and engvall over robertsono is not progress its backward thinking

the coach is out to lunch and does not know how to evaluate team needs, team structure and on ice deployment and roster management.
 
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Burnie97 said:


Oh boy. Didn't realize that. How about take aways?

That's brutal though. Need to clean that up.
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Absolutely matches the eye test. Curious why though. Is there a game plan or system they're trying to adapt to? This version of the team has never looked so sloppy IMO. I don't get it, they can't just lose their hands with one summer off. Has to be something they're working on.
 
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PromisedLand said:
should have been more clear. Robertson is an improved player from last year.

Playing kerfoot and engvall over robertsono is not progress its backward thinking
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It's not if you're a team trying to win - Robertson has been one of the worst performing forwards on this team, and his underlyings have been backed up by the eye test. Not saying Kerfoot & Engvall have been great, but they've been better and they can kill penalties unlike Robertson, so there is some added value in keeping them in the lineup over him.

The onus is on Robertson to grab a spot - the fact that this team's bottom 6 (and LW in general) is so devoid of consistent performances, and Nicky still can't get into the lineup, is more an indictment on Robertson than it is on the coach. Once he got into the lineup earlier in the year, he should have made himself stick.

The good news is that he's going to get another opportunity here at some point, and he's going to have to make the most of it. I don't see a full time NHLer in him yet, and that's okay - he's only 21 and this is the first proper full year of healthy pro hockey he's playing.
 
Tak7 said:
It's not if you're a team trying to win - Robertson has been one of the worst performing forwards on this team, and his underlyings have been backed up by the eye test. Not saying Kerfoot & Engvall have been great, but they've been better and they can kill penalties unlike Robertson, so there is some added value in keeping them in the lineup over him.

The onus is on Robertson to grab a spot - the fact that this team's bottom 6 (and LW in general) is so devoid of consistent performances, and Nicky still can't get into the lineup, is more an indictment on Robertson than it is on the coach. Once he got into the lineup earlier in the year, he should have made himself stick.

The good news is that he's going to get another opportunity here at some point, and he's going to have to make the most of it. I don't see a full time NHLer in him yet, and that's okay - he's only 21 and this is the first proper full year of healthy pro hockey he's playing.
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Don't agree.

Robertson was the one that scored 2 goals to give Leafs the win to get them out of the funk. Then he was yo-yo'd between Tavares line and 3rd line

The coach is out to lunch and cannot design a system that benefits the team and allows youngsters to come in and have success.

Kerfoot/Engvall are not top6 players; Robertson can be and he is being wasted in the pressbox
 
PromisedLand said:
Don't agree.

Robertson was the one that scored 2 goals to give Leafs the win to get them out of the funk. Then he was yo-yo'd between Tavares line and 3rd line

The coach is out to lunch and cannot design a system that benefits the team and allows youngsters to come in and have success.

Kerfoot/Engvall are not top6 players; Robertson can be and he is being wasted in the pressbox
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Robertson isn't a top 6 player. He's barely a full time NHLer.

Have a look.
 
Tak7 said:
Robertson isn't a top 6 player. He's barely a full time NHLer.

Have a look.
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dude corsi is not the be all and end all stat to look at player performance. And even if you want to look at it then you have to analyze it with context not just throw the number. Look at the info below: there is no way to say that robertson struggles has anything to do with him compared to anyone else. his WOWY stats with JT/Willy are identical with and without robertson the linemates he spent more time with. And the other forwards suck as much with robertson and without robertson. it just goes on to show that robertson is not an issue

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