Confirmed Buy-Out [BUF] Sabres buy out F Jeff Skinner

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He reportedly liked Buffalo because it was close to home (Toronto). That was a number of years ago though, and things change, so anything can happen I guess.
Hmm possible Pajama boy factor eh. He could always do offseasons there like a bunch of NHLers including Seguin, McDavid, Drai, Hyman, etc etc etc.

If he does that. In Toronto, there’s two main group of NHLers. The cool kids, McDavid and his buds or the lame Leafs crew.
 
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He reportedly liked Buffalo because it was close to home (Toronto). That was a number of years ago though, and things change, so anything can happen I guess.
Would do good in Toronto, but would also be perplexing as they don’t need more forwards
 

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I could see Skinner working on a high event line. Crash and burn.

Putting him with defensive specialists just gives you a bad mix.
 

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Anyone who said said that is a dummy. Eichel has never been a bad defensive player or lazy. Eichel isn't what he was projected to be and many buffalo fans are butthurt about him but he is a good player.
Very few people in Buffalo said eichel was a bad player. In fact, it was Sabres fans who defended his play for years and argued that he was worth way more than was being offered for him. We knew more than anyone how good he was. The criticism of him was more about his leadership, his negativity, and how he handled the end of his time in Buffalo.

We don't have to re-hash that whole thing, but let's also not re-write history.
 

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Very few people in Buffalo said eichel was a bad player. In fact, it was Sabres fans who defended his play for years and argued that he was worth way more than was being offered for him. We knew more than anyone how good he was. The criticism of him was more about his leadership, his negativity, and how he handled the end of his time in Buffalo.

We don't have to re-hash that whole thing, but let's also not re-write history.
Who is re-writing history? The topic was players who you "can't win with". I said anyone who said you can't win with Eichel is a dummy. Not sure what you're going on about
 
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He will only play near Toronto. So with Buffalo off the list, it seems like it's either Toronto or who? Ottawa?

The Leafs don't need a ton of forward help. So he'd have to be willing to sign super cheap to end up here. Hometown discount, Jeff, or look elsewhere.
 

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Everyone clamoring on here for their team has not watched this player closely enough to know that unless he is a severely sheltered first line, he will be net negative to your team. Say what you will about Buffalo, but he was trade for only a second round draft pick from Carolina for the same damn reason they knew he could only play on their first line and even then would offer nothing else except for the scoring.

He will get you some goals, but how many is he going to cost you going the other way? Can’t play in overtime, can’t plan him on anything, but the first line with people that will cover for him, and how much are the other players giving up on their offensive prowess in order to cover for his complete defensive Insufficiencies?

This is not me being biased… It’s all over BUF media and analysts talking points, which is why Buffalo is doing the right thing buying him out, even if it wasn’t this year it was going to happen next year.

Let me end on this… I actually really like Jeff Skinner, the person, and he had some nice moments in Buffalo. But it’s not about nice moments or him making hilarious videos and having a generally positive attitude. The on the ice stuff speaks for itself.
He had no trade value from us to you because you were the only team we could trade him to, not because of his defensive issues. It was you or TO and they didn’t want him then. Hard to get more than a couple of picks and a minor leaguer, which is what we got not one second rounder. We also drafted Kochetkov and Nikishin with those picks so it’s become one of the best trades we’ve made in years.

Your reason for his limited trade value back then is false. Hardly a secret either, it’s been talked about for years when that trade comes up.
 

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Yet he has a lineup of fans wanting their team to sign him. Misdirected vitriol towards a player that should be directed at the franchise that just bought him out
He does not play defense. He is uncoachable. He is not a team player. If he’s in a bad mood, his effort on the ice is negligible. You can’t use him on the pk, and it would be a huge mistake to use him on the power play or in ot.

It’s not misdirected vitriol. The Sabres didn’t ruin him. They gave him every opportunity. He is just a massively flawed player that needs the absolute perfect setting to produce. Sabres management can be criticized for some things, but this isn’t one of them.

Most Sabres fans in this thread would agree with a lot of what I said, and we are the ones who saw him play the most.
 

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I feel like slowly the Sabres are starting to make moves to change the culture and shape of their roster and they are still getting roasted for it.

Skinner had to go. Trading yet another pick/prospect for a great bottom sixer in Malentsyn should be seen as perfectly acceptable. The prospect pool is still overloaded.

They are gonna make more moves. Some of them are probably gonna make the fans who only want to hear about how great their farm system ranks or how many goals could potentially be scored by players on their roster scream about how the “value” is bad. But for once, it seems like the Sabres are doing stuff that acknowledges the weakness’ of this franchise. They just aren’t all pretty on the surface.
 

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He had no trade value from us to you because you were the only team we could trade him to, not because of his defensive issues. It was you or TO and they didn’t want him then. Hard to get more than a couple of picks and a minor leaguer, which is what we got not one second rounder. We also drafted Kochetkov and Nikishin with those picks so it’s become one of the best trades we’ve made in years.

Your reason for his limited trade value back then is false. Hardly a secret either, it’s been talked about for years when that trade comes up.
Who cares? He still had the same issues his entire career…the point is that if he play a lick of D he might never had been traded in the first place…and he hasn’t changed. Thus why everyone thinking Buffalo is “ dumb” doing this doesn’t actually know the player or his issues
 

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Who cares? He still had the same issues his entire career…the point is that if he play a lick of D he might never had been traded in the first place.
We were never going to pay him his next contract. That’s why he was gone, and it was time he got a fresh start. The Canes scapegoated him with the new ownership when they really just didn’t want to pay the new contract, and Buffalo is doing the same thing now when it’s pretty much just about the money. If he was paid less I doubt he’d be getting bought out. The Sabres have issues, saying it’s a Skinner issue is off base imo but it’s your team.
 

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He does not play defense. He is uncoachable. He is not a team player. If he’s in a bad mood, his effort on the ice is negligible. You can’t use him on the pk, and it would be a huge mistake to use him on the power play or in ot.

It’s not misdirected vitriol. The Sabres didn’t ruin him. They gave him every opportunity. He is just a massively flawed player that needs the absolute perfect setting to produce. Sabres management can be criticized for some things, but this isn’t one of them.



Most Sabres fans in this thread would agree with a lot of what I said, and we are the ones who saw him play the most.
Sounds like a soft sabre player that was in a toxic franchise. Still has value in the right scenario.

Sadly with how poorly Buffalo is managed and coached, player valuations coming from the franchise are going to be off
 
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Anyone who said said that is a dummy. Eichel has never been a bad defensive player or lazy. Eichel isn't what he was projected to be and many buffalo fans are butthurt about him but he is a good player.

Eichel was absolutely bad defensively in Buffalo, primarily because he rarely bothered to make any effort at that end of the ice. Feel free to go back and read the Sabres board from before there was any bad blood with the fans; you’ll find people saying the same thing back then.
 

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We were never going to pay him his next contract. That’s why he was gone, and it was time he got a fresh start. The Canes scapegoated him with the new ownership when they really just didn’t want to pay the new contract, and Buffalo is doing the same thing now when it’s pretty much just about the money. If he was paid less I doubt he’d be getting bought out. The Sabres have issues, saying it’s a Skinner issue is off base imo but it’s your team.
The Sabres do have issues but your post is off - we’re not saying skinner is the cause of the issues - but he is NOT the solution. For where he will slot on Buffalo going fwd he is not a fit and would drag the team down. Like Kruger years down and we can’t afford that
 

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He does not play defense. He is uncoachable. He is not a team player. If he’s in a bad mood, his effort on the ice is negligible. You can’t use him on the pk, and it would be a huge mistake to use him on the power play or in ot.

It’s not misdirected vitriol. The Sabres didn’t ruin him. They gave him every opportunity. He is just a massively flawed player that needs the absolute perfect setting to produce. Sabres management can be criticized for some things, but this isn’t one of them.

Most Sabres fans in this thread would agree with a lot of what I said, and we are the ones who saw him play the most.
The hilarious part of what you responded to is that someone is claiming that we Sabres fan have “ vitriol” about skinner. I think most of us like him as a dude but also feel like he is not worth the contract nor has an effective role to play on this team next year. There’s no vitriol there. Just doing the right thing - if he’s not playing on our 1st line he’s not a fit
 

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The Sabres do have issues but your post is off - we’re not saying skinner is the cause of the issues - but he is NOT the solution. For where he will slot on Buffalo going fwd he is not a fit and would drag the team down. Like Kruger years down and we can’t afford that
The only one player on your team that could be the solution is Thompson. He was a shell of who he was the previous season and that hurt you more than Skinner ever did. I think Ruff will help things, and if Skinner needs to go then so be it. Some of the hyperbolic takes about how bad he is becomes way over the top. This whole concept of “for every 20 goals he scores he shoots 20 into his own net” is for the birds. Your whole team plays inconsistent and young team defense. This will likely improve with Ruff with or without Skinner, you just need Skinner’s money for shopping and since he’s leaving at some point anyways then just do it now.
 

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Eichel was absolutely bad defensively in Buffalo, primarily because he rarely bothered to make any effort at that end of the ice. Feel free to go back and read the Sabres board from before there was any bad blood with the fans; you’ll find people saying the same thing back then.
Jack Eichel always had games where he showed up and played a 200 foot game and dominated. I watched almost every game with Jack Eichel as a Buffalo Sabre. Jack Eichel at the point of being traded from Buffalo was nothing like Jeff Skinner is now. Jeff Skinner is who he is. He is un-coachable. Jack Eichel has always showed glimpses of being a 2 way dominate player who looked un-coachable, uninterested and a pissy bitch. Jack Eichel is not what he was projected to be. But him ever being in same camp as Skinner, nah
 

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